***REDMAN***..."Dare Iz A Darkside" -VS - "Muddy Waters"

Weazel
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edited July 2014 in The Reason
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***REDMAN***..."Dare Iz A Darkside" -VS - "Muddy Waters" 46 votes

Dare Iz A Darkside
26%
real_hh_repbkkbullybigbird_1waterproofDisciplined InSightLab BabyLou CypherStillFaggyAFSneakDZAojos_negrosMoneyLuverRNS 12 votes
Muddy Waters
73%
lion_heart*~queenbee~*white7155th Letterinfamous114black caesarBroddiepower_wisdomjust.might.b.okachewon87nillerthekidRobCoLifeqawshuncoltonclairvoyanceza'kissGlockLesnar grumpy_new_yorkerWeazelidoitforhiphop10 34 votes
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  • Weazel
    Weazel Members Posts: 3,955 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • Weazel
    Weazel Members Posts: 3,955 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Muddy Waters
    Muddy's my favourite Red album, sorry Game..
  • illestni99ainne
    illestni99ainne Members Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I cant choose b. these are his best albums. nope can't do it.
  • Weazel
    Weazel Members Posts: 3,955 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Muddy Waters
    Dare Iz A Darkside?, dope af 2me
    But, Muddy Waters is a straight up classic
  • Kairo
    Kairo Members Posts: 942 ✭✭✭✭
    Muddy Waters
    Muddy Waters is one of my favorite albums. DIAD is a great album as well.
  • Lab Baby
    Lab Baby Members Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dare Iz A Darkside
    I was gonna say Muddy Waters, but there's something about DIAD that stands out. I think Red himself said he was smokin some wild ? while he recorded this... but looking even further into it, it had some type of subliminal message to it. The dark and spaced out production, the (even more overtly) references to George Clinton, Cosmic Slop, Soopaman Lova II when he's ? up some alien ? ... it's like he was tryna say something. Maybe it's me, but I dig ? like that.
  • Built 4 cuban linx
    Built 4 cuban linx Members Posts: 12,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Muddy Waters
    Weazel wrote: »
    Dare Iz A Darkside?, dope af 2me
    But, Muddy Waters is a straight up classic

  • Weazel
    Weazel Members Posts: 3,955 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Muddy Waters
    My favourite Dare Iz A Darkside joints
    - A Million and 1 Buddah Spots
    - Can't Wait
    - Wuditlooklike
    - Slide and Rock On

    Vs.

    My favourite Muddy Waters joints
    - Iz He 4 Real
    - Rock Da Spot
    - Pick It Up
    - Smoke Buddah

    10 dope-ass tracks, that's for sure
  • KneeGro_DuperMan
    KneeGro_DuperMan Members Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Muddy Waters
    This is quite difficult
  • aka_OG
    aka_OG Members Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Muddy Waters
    muddy waters is a classic. i was the only one in my crew that liked dare iz a darkside, rocafella rmx still bumps

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANwUa1udIEc
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dare Iz A Darkside
    Y'all negros is crazy, Dare is A Darkside is a classic album with no skippable tracks. The Production from Erik Sermon, DJ Twinz, Rockwilder and Reggie Noble representing Funk Lord Production crew was banging, Sequencing was top notch and Reggie Noble was on another planet lyrically.

    Muddy waters was to Damn commercial and had some fillers.
  • illestni99ainne
    illestni99ainne Members Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ooh, cool, smooth like two blue suede shoes Y'all ? stepped on my huffman and koos Word to dan, tan, pillow, and cool b Switchin' speeds like Bruce Lee ridin' a Fuji in a movie I drop on the one, ? the two, three Funky like a box of coochies on looseleaf
  • Broddie
    Broddie Members Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2014
    Muddy Waters
    When I was a kid you couldn't keep me away from Dare Iz A Darkside (I was like 11 when I bought that tape back in '94). I think I even ended up playing that joint more than Illmatic and Ready to Die. Green Island, Joorney Throo the Darkside, Basically, A Million and One Buddah Spots that was that really rugged grimy ? I enjoyed at the time.

    Since I was also getting into other genres at the time I appreciated the eclectic and atmospheric vibes that dudes like Mobb Deep called "spaced out ? " and had even Biggie Smalls going "I don't know what the ? Redman was on on that second album". Even entering my teens when everybody was jocking Muddy Waters and even Doc's Da Name (believe it or not) I stood by DIAD as a misunderstood masterpiece.

    Today at 30 I would have to say my vote goes to Muddy Waters. As an adult now when I listen to it I get how Muddy Waters while still humorous and funky is also a lot more varied and vibrant as a whole than DIAD which has more one dimensional content and is also sonically more niche. It keeps things very simple and doesn't go complex like DIAD did but still maintains it's flavor all throughout; which works in it's favor because it doesn't lose some people. It's just much more easily accessible and digestible so even people that don't ? with Redman like that could vibe with it. That makes it a better album to me though both are classics in my eyes
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dare Iz A Darkside
    I remember when Muddy Waters dropped, I played that tape and was so disappointed. Muddy Waters was a dumb down album, he went for the platinum.

    Dare is a Darkside was straight raw underground Jimmy Hendrix, Funkadelic Maggot Brain innovative album, it was original, the beats was futuristic cosmic slop raw underground hip hop, lyrically he was on another level he bend the lyrics spectrum, the underground pushed him to Gold.
  • AZTG
    AZTG Members Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Muddy Waters
    I could just as easily have chosen darkside. Both classics to me. Redmans place in hip hop is mad underrated.
  • waterproof
    waterproof Members Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dare Iz A Darkside
    I think the older heads chooses Dare is a Dark side because we don't settle for dumb down ? , there's no such thing of going over our heads and we was of the age where we understood the Times and what was really going on.

    Redman was at his peak on that album.

    Def Squad was at their peak 93~95, Erik Sermon dropped Double or Nothing, Keith Murray the most beautifullest, Mally G Fade em all, Funk Lord productions with Erik Sermon, Rockwilder, DJ Twins provided the soundscape.

    Redman was lyrically a monster, innovative rhymes.

    Me and some older heads was discussing how the last time The Dare is a Dark side Redman appeared was in 1995 on Erik Sermons Insomnia compilation on Funkoroma. When 1996 hit and Muddy Waters dropped that's when the comedic how high Redman appeared and Funk Dr. SPOT was forever gone.

    Whut Thee Album, Dare is a Darkside over muddy waters anyday
  • StillFaggyAF
    StillFaggyAF Members Posts: 40,358 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dare Iz A Darkside
    Idk i could never really get into Muddy Waters like that

    Diad plays right through. Its goat to hear rappers shout out places you're from/been/go through/stay by
  • colton
    colton Members Posts: 531 ✭✭✭✭
    Muddy Waters
    Muddy Waters was doper plus the skits were funny as hell too
  • MoneyLuver
    MoneyLuver Members Posts: 2,384 ✭✭✭✭
    Dare Iz A Darkside
    DIAD is just better becuz its more raw.

    Starting around those times Hip Hop was becoming more inclusive to Pop Culture. Coverage on the game was different then. It wasn't as internally hacked as it is today.

    You could say anything about something and get away with it
  • Broddie
    Broddie Members Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Muddy Waters
    waterproof wrote: »
    I remember when Muddy Waters dropped, I played that tape and was so disappointed. Muddy Waters was a dumb down album, he went for the platinum.

    Dare is a Darkside was straight raw underground Jimmy Hendrix, Funkadelic Maggot Brain innovative album, it was original, the beats was futuristic cosmic slop raw underground hip hop, lyrically he was on another level he bend the lyrics spectrum, the underground pushed him to Gold.

    I actually don't feel that he went for that "platinum" sound until Doc's Da Name. That's when the ass clown Redman people know today really came to the forefront. Muddy Waters still has a rugged underground feel despite having a more polished sound than DIAD. You could bump it in between albums like Nocturnal and Enigma and it won't lose a step or stick out like a sore thumb.

    It's interesting to see you say this aqua. It reminded me of something. Back in the late 90's and early 00's when I decided to learn how to make beats I used to spend time going through my back catalog of albums studying some of my sonic influences. For instance if I wanted to get a feel for that aggressive but funky Bomb Squad sound I'd relisten to It Takes A Nation, Great Adventures of Slick Rick and Amerikkka's Most Wanted back to back. When I got to the Hit Squad I was of course listening to ? like the first 4 EPMD albums, first 2 Keith Murray joints, first 2 Das EFX, Jamal's debut and the first 3 Redman albums.

    What I found interesting regarding Redman albums especially was this. DIAD is what taught me how to lay down my basslines more thick and heavy & to manipulate the ? out of low pass filters. Where as Muddy Waters influence me to smooth out my basslines more and space out the notes a bit better. I think that's representative of the sound of each respective album. One is more polished and cleaner than the other but it's no less rugged.

    I wouldn't really call Muddy Waters an outreach for commercialism on his part. There was still serious lyrical dexterity there I mean you listen to the first track or stuff like Case Closed and Rollin and you could clearly hear that. One of the singles even had the bar "hard far from commercial" if you recall. I think it was more so Redman reaching out to the fans of Whut? that he somehow let down with Dare because it's sonically more in tune with his debut than anything else.

    I would say Blunted on Reality to The Score, Illmatic to It Was Written and Ready to Die to Life After Death are much better examples of trying to reach for a more commercial audience from one album to the next. Those latter albums were a lot more drastically departed from their predecessors' tone than Muddy was to Dare. Those albums were much more obviously examples of arists trying to "keep up with the Joneses".
  • Broddie
    Broddie Members Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Muddy Waters
    AZTG wrote: »
    I could just as easily have chosen darkside. Both classics to me. Redmans place in hip hop is mad underrated.

    Redman's first 3 album could stand toe to toe with the best 3 from any rap artists. Be it UGK or Xzibit or Nas and Jigga and Outkast. Hell I'd say that even his 4th is arguably in that contention as well.
  • Lou Cypher
    Lou Cypher Members Posts: 52,521 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dare Iz A Darkside
    Dare Iz a Darkside was my favorite. 2 Classics imo.
  • RNS
    RNS Members Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dare Iz A Darkside
    That dare iz a dark side is one of my favorite albums ever. The whole vibe and production of that album is just amazing
  • Antlerz
    Antlerz Members Posts: 3,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Muddy Waters
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  • real_hh_rep
    real_hh_rep Members Posts: 1,868 ✭✭✭
    Dare Iz A Darkside
    Dare Iz a Darkside takes definitely more time to digest it. Once you sink your teeth in it, you'll never get off that unique vibe. Love this album and besides Whut? it's my Redman's fav work.