1 Thing I never Got About Suge

Stiff
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Why was that ? successful?? He always seemed like just another reckless gangbanger..

He didn't seem like he had any real business sense he was just big and made ? do things they prolly wouldn't have done otherwise under threat of force

Suge: I get 90% you get 3%
Industry Guy: uhhh ok what about the other 7%?
Suge: ? ? all that! now drink this ?

Like what was this ? 's angle all these years? I guess he was just a 300 + pound 6'4 ? talker so people just followed him? But still how does that parlay into a multi-million dollar business empire? Of course it crumbled..what this ? know about music.

? always baffled me.
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  • Stiff
    Stiff Members Posts: 7,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    JokerKing wrote: »
    From 1991 - 1995 Deathrow was all Dr. Dre.


    Dre signed Snoop and the dogg pound.


    Dre put the albums together.

    Suge just sat back and collected his checks as half owner.

    When Dre noticed how Suge ran things when he started flexing his muscles, he got out. Smartest thing he ever did.

    Exactly! This ? had no purpose. He should've been muscle...not the BOSS. Didn't he get his start as Dre's bodyguard anyway?
  • smp4life
    smp4life Members Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He was DOC's bodyguard supposedly.
  • Busta Carmichael
    Busta Carmichael Members, Moderators Posts: 13,161 Regulator
    He was a bodyguard at ruthless and he knew harry-o.

    That's how they got the money to start deathrow. He just played the background until Pac came along and then started bullying artist and brought gangs to the studio.

    Eventually ? up the label.
  • 5 Grand
    5 Grand Members Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    JokerKing wrote: »
    From 1991 - 1995 Deathrow was all Dr. Dre.


    Dre signed Snoop and the dogg pound.


    Dre put the albums together.

    Suge just sat back and collected his checks as half owner.

    When Dre noticed how Suge ran things when he started flexing his muscles, he got out. Smartest thing he ever did.
    Yes he had dr. Dre who was talented and chronic was a good album but that still doesn't explain the business success

    There are lots of good albums that record labels dont ride into millions of dollars

    Illmatic and reasonable doubt never turned those companies into 300 million dollars

    Hell all of wu tang was never close to being worth 300 million

    Simply saying "chronic was dope" is not a detailed enough reason for how death row was so successful...and if it was simply the influence of dre, then how come that aftermath album flopped?

    Someone behind death row was good at the business, who was it, cuz it sure as hell wasn't suge

    Who did the marketing, promotion, concert reps, who did the accounting, budgeting, finances....

    Having a dope produce is just the beginning, getting to 300 mil takes true business skill.

    I GOATed your post. You explained it perfectly. I've heard a lot of albums that sound dope and even sold more than The Chronic (didn't The Chronic only go 2X plat when it was out?). For example The Fugees The Score album sold 6X platinum when it was released but I don't think anybody at Columbia/Ruffhouse generated 300 million dollars.

    I think they were selling stuff like bandanas with the chronic leaf and T-shirts and stuff like that. You'd be surprised how much paraphernalia a record label can sell of an artist to a teenager who already bought the CD. There's the T-shirt, the wristband, the earring, the chronic friendship bracelets, fake tattoos, etc. not to mention the poster.

    When I was a teenager I had mad Run DMC and Michael Jordan posters on my wall. I even had a Run DMC T-Shirt.
  • Stiff
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    Sion wrote: »
    Suge was suppose to be the muscle for Deathrow early on. He helped Dre get out of his situation after the NWA. I think he was charismatic too and Dre prolly felt like why not have him on board too (remember Dre was still 20 something). After a while I think Suge strong armed himself into most opportunities and whole could blame him coming from where he was ? In documentaries they said he would often use his physique and demeanor to intimidate execs into the dumbest ? . ? hung Vanilla Ice off a balcony, even if it wasn't true in those times were you really tryna find out if a 6'4" hood ? from Cali was bout it ? I think he was savvy early on and did do some big things like seeking out 2Pac when nobody wanted to sign him. That was a gutsy move even if MATW sold well. But how much of that was Dre vs. Suge we'll never know for sure. Pac often said he rarely saw Dre and it was often Daz, Johnny J, Mike Dean who was producing his records. It's tough to say I wish Dr.Dre would speak on it. I'd love to be a fly on the wall listening to Dre, Snoop & Marshall Mathers talk about that stuff. Em seem like Dre prolly tell him everything.

    What gets me is..I've seen in documentaries people say that Suge was such a great businessman. I'm like HOW? He was just big and aggressive.

    He used his size and goons to force people to drink ? if they didn't do what he wanted...this ? ain't some savvy guru. It was ALL Dre. Suge is the most useless figure in hip-hop when you think about it and probably the most incompetent executive of all time..he overachieved like a mf
  • Stiff
    Stiff Members Posts: 7,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok so assuming all that is true the t/s question stil bears repeating "how the ? can suge strongarm his way into 300 million"

    That ? has to be the ultimate strongarm in all of american history. The gotti mobb was never worth 300 million
    Tony soprano in a fictional show was never worth that much
    Marlo and avon and whoever else on the wire was not worth 20 mil let alone 300

    So this real life guy from the street was able to take no skills other than an ability to beat ppl up and make em drink ? and turn that into 300 million?

    We missing a big part of the story, cuz if our understanding of suge is all it took, then this has to be the biggest gangster of american history.

    This post got me thinking...that coupled with the fact that this ? Suge NEVER goes to Prison for that long even though he can be linked to like 85% of all murders that happened in the LA metro area in the 90's .. ? might be waaaaay deeper than rap.
  • T. Sanford
    T. Sanford Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 25,291 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think he was Bobby Brown's bodyguard but I might be wrong.
  • smp4life
    smp4life Members Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Suge must have had some Executive Producer talents. He knew how to select and attract the right people and create the right situations for hit records to be made.
  • Nah Son
    Nah Son Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 9,367 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Didnt Jimmy Iovine have his back business wise for a couple years?
  • SheerExcellence
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    Stiff wrote: »
    Ok so assuming all that is true the t/s question stil bears repeating "how the ? can suge strongarm his way into 300 million"

    That ? has to be the ultimate strongarm in all of american history. The gotti mobb was never worth 300 million
    Tony soprano in a fictional show was never worth that much
    Marlo and avon and whoever else on the wire was not worth 20 mil let alone 300

    So this real life guy from the street was able to take no skills other than an ability to beat ppl up and make em drink ? and turn that into 300 million?

    We missing a big part of the story, cuz if our understanding of suge is all it took, then this has to be the biggest gangster of american history.

    This post got me thinking...that coupled with the fact that this ? Suge NEVER goes to Prison for that long even though he can be linked to like 85% of all murders that happened in the LA metro area in the 90's .. ? might be waaaaay deeper than rap.

    I think this might be the path to get some real answers, if you wanna go searching


    Like I said, we just throw out terms without really thinking about then to deeply.

    300 million is not some ? . For a black man in early 90s, really only 91-97 when pac died, to go from an invesent of 1.5 mil to 300mil off a dre record, a snoop record, a couple soundtacks, then a double pac cd, is unheard of. 300 million aint no joke, you cant just luck into that ? , and I refuse to believe you can strongarm your way into that, if that's the case I'll take some pipes and go hang that facebook dude out a window right now to get him to sign that ? over.

    Suge has to simply be the public face of something much deeper, something or someone that has a deeper reason for making it seem like suge can build a 300 mil couldn't by himself in six years.

    Just the sheer energy it would take to do that would be too much for him he wouldn't have had time to go to all those parties, beat up all those ppl, and smoke all those cigars
  • T. Sanford
    T. Sanford Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 25,291 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Suge is the 90s version of Birdman. Snoop & company came to Death Row because of Dre. After Dre left then it would've been Pac that would've attract people to the label but he didn't live long enough.

  • Built 4 cuban linx
    Built 4 cuban linx Members Posts: 12,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    T. Sanford wrote: »
    Suge is the 90s version of Birdman. Snoop & company came to Death Row because of Dre. After Dre left then it would've been Pac that would've attract people to the label but he didn't live long enough.

    Idk I think pac was on his way out too. he started realizing that suge was ripping him off
  • T. Sanford
    T. Sanford Guests, Members, Writer, Content Producer Posts: 25,291 ✭✭✭✭✭
    T. Sanford wrote: »
    Suge is the 90s version of Birdman. Snoop & company came to Death Row because of Dre. After Dre left then it would've been Pac that would've attract people to the label but he didn't live long enough.

    Idk I think pac was on his way out too. he started realizing that suge was ripping him off

    Also, Pac prevented people from signing there too (I think dude from Oynx was one of them)
  • Stiff
    Stiff Members Posts: 7,723 ✭✭✭✭✭
    T. Sanford wrote: »
    T. Sanford wrote: »
    Suge is the 90s version of Birdman. Snoop & company came to Death Row because of Dre. After Dre left then it would've been Pac that would've attract people to the label but he didn't live long enough.

    Idk I think pac was on his way out too. he started realizing that suge was ripping him off

    Also, Pac prevented people from signing there too (I think dude from Oynx was one of them)

    This hilarious story

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1IF-eewCJ0
  • detcatinva
    detcatinva Members Posts: 11,691 ✭✭✭✭✭
    T. Sanford wrote: »
    Suge is the 90s version of Birdman. Snoop & company came to Death Row because of Dre. After Dre left then it would've been Pac that would've attract people to the label but he didn't live long enough.

    Idk I think pac was on his way out too. he started realizing that suge was ripping him off

    wasn't about to start his own label and take his acting more serious
  • Built 4 cuban linx
    Built 4 cuban linx Members Posts: 12,285 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2015
    T. Sanford wrote: »
    T. Sanford wrote: »
    Suge is the 90s version of Birdman. Snoop & company came to Death Row because of Dre. After Dre left then it would've been Pac that would've attract people to the label but he didn't live long enough.

    Idk I think pac was on his way out too. he started realizing that suge was ripping him off

    Also, Pac prevented people from signing there too (I think dude from Oynx was one of them)

    Yeah fredo, video stiff posted is funny as hell