Bad news for Israel and USA: Hezbollah takes over Lebanon....democratically
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http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/lebanon/110124/lebanon-hariri-government-hezbollah-jumblatt-druze
Hezbollah, the Iran-backed Shiite militant group, appears poised to take control of government in Lebanon and install the next prime minister, sparking angry street protests and fears that Lebanon might realign away from the U.S.
Meantime, supporters of the U.S.-backed caretaker prime minister, Saad al-Hariri, accused Hezbollah of carrying out a coup to put Lebanon's top office under Iranian control, and called for a protest "day of anger" on Tuesday.
Hezbollah plunged Lebanon into crisis by walking out of Hariri's unity government on Jan. 12 in a dispute over indictments by a U.N.-backed tribunal which is investigating the 2005 killing of Rafik al-Hariri, the prime minister's father.
Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah on Monday said that if the prime ministerial candidate backed by his group — Telecoms tycoon Najib Mikati — won majority support in the assembly, he would try to form "a partnership government."
Crucially, Walid Jumblatt, the leader of Lebanon's 300,000-strong Druze community who commands a bloc of 11 lawmakers, has thrown his weight behind Hezbollah, which is also backed by Syria.
To form a new government, Hezbollah needed at least 65 of the 128 parliament members. Diplomats and politicians say they now have that number, though voting will not end until Tuesday.
Hariri, who effectively leads Lebanon's Sunni Muslim community, has insisted he will not join the new government. His supporters accused Hezbollah of carrying out a coup to put Lebanon's leadership under the control of the mullahs in Iran, and called for a protest "day of anger" on Tuesday.
"As for the coup that Hezbollah is carrying out, it is an attempt to put the office of prime minister under the control of Wilayat al Fakih [Iran's clerical authority]," he said in a statement, according to Reuters.
Hundreds of Hariri supporters blocked streets on Monday in Tripoli, a mainly Sunni Muslim city in north Lebanon, calling on Mikati to withdraw his nomination.
Others in western Bekaa blocked the main road between Lebanon and Syria and burned tires. Some streets in Beirut were also blocked.
“It will not be easy for them to control Lebanon alone,” Antoine Zahra, a Christian lawmaker allied with Hariri's block told The New York Times. “They will turn it into an isolated country, ostracized by the Arab world and the international community.”
He called Mikati’s victory “a constitutional coup.”
---Damn, what's Israel gonna do now? They keep asking for Arab nations to become more democratic, and they keep electing Israel's enemies, lol.
Americans can't say ? either, they're always whining about the fact that not enough Arab nations are democratic (although the USA and others fund dictatorships in the Middle East all the time), well looka here.
Hezbollah, the Iran-backed Shiite militant group, appears poised to take control of government in Lebanon and install the next prime minister, sparking angry street protests and fears that Lebanon might realign away from the U.S.
Meantime, supporters of the U.S.-backed caretaker prime minister, Saad al-Hariri, accused Hezbollah of carrying out a coup to put Lebanon's top office under Iranian control, and called for a protest "day of anger" on Tuesday.
Hezbollah plunged Lebanon into crisis by walking out of Hariri's unity government on Jan. 12 in a dispute over indictments by a U.N.-backed tribunal which is investigating the 2005 killing of Rafik al-Hariri, the prime minister's father.
Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah on Monday said that if the prime ministerial candidate backed by his group — Telecoms tycoon Najib Mikati — won majority support in the assembly, he would try to form "a partnership government."
Crucially, Walid Jumblatt, the leader of Lebanon's 300,000-strong Druze community who commands a bloc of 11 lawmakers, has thrown his weight behind Hezbollah, which is also backed by Syria.
To form a new government, Hezbollah needed at least 65 of the 128 parliament members. Diplomats and politicians say they now have that number, though voting will not end until Tuesday.
Hariri, who effectively leads Lebanon's Sunni Muslim community, has insisted he will not join the new government. His supporters accused Hezbollah of carrying out a coup to put Lebanon's leadership under the control of the mullahs in Iran, and called for a protest "day of anger" on Tuesday.
"As for the coup that Hezbollah is carrying out, it is an attempt to put the office of prime minister under the control of Wilayat al Fakih [Iran's clerical authority]," he said in a statement, according to Reuters.
Hundreds of Hariri supporters blocked streets on Monday in Tripoli, a mainly Sunni Muslim city in north Lebanon, calling on Mikati to withdraw his nomination.
Others in western Bekaa blocked the main road between Lebanon and Syria and burned tires. Some streets in Beirut were also blocked.
“It will not be easy for them to control Lebanon alone,” Antoine Zahra, a Christian lawmaker allied with Hariri's block told The New York Times. “They will turn it into an isolated country, ostracized by the Arab world and the international community.”
He called Mikati’s victory “a constitutional coup.”
---Damn, what's Israel gonna do now? They keep asking for Arab nations to become more democratic, and they keep electing Israel's enemies, lol.
Americans can't say ? either, they're always whining about the fact that not enough Arab nations are democratic (although the USA and others fund dictatorships in the Middle East all the time), well looka here.
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Dawg that ? ain't got nothing to do with the USA. And Hariri or what ever the ? is name is a dumb-ass. I never got the point of destabilizing your country to please a foreign power.
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Yeah, interesting stuff, wonder how this will evolve
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It's bad news for the USA because Obama and congress will be tripping over themselves to see whom can promise Israel the most help in dealing with this.
Hezbollah are savvy though, they won't make Lebanon a target unnecessarily. -
It's bad news for the USA because Obama and congress will be tripping over themselves to see whom can promise Israel the most help in dealing with this.
Hezbollah are savvy though, they won't make Lebanon a target unnecessarily.
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It's bad news for the USA because Obama and congress will be tripping over themselves to see whom can promise Israel the most help in dealing with this.
Hezbollah are savvy though, they won't make Lebanon a target unnecessarily.
Yeah definitely, lol, I wonder how many planes Obama will offer Israel secretly now. We all know America is Israel's ? . -
kingblaze84 wrote: »Yeah definitely, lol, I wonder how many planes Obama will offer Israel secretly now. We all know America is Israel's ? .
www.truth.com
That's the reason I told the army recruiter to ? off. -
..........kingblaze84 wrote: »We all know America is Israel's ? . -
Yeah, interesting stuff, wonder how this will evolve
Gonna evolve into an invasion of Israel and the invaders will be annihilated.
BTW - Vatican has a lot more influence over USA government than Israel does. MOslem leaders are HAPPY USA is wasting blood, treasure and moral authority by having troops in Afghanistan. Gives MOslem leaders a great rallying issue,... complete with lots of pics of dead kids. Bush, and now Barak Hussein Obama do MOslem leaders great service. -
The Vatican has nothing similar to an AIPAC telling our congress openly what to do. It's not a religious issue. It's pure politics.
Annihilated is the LAST thing Hezballah is going to experience. They just won a massive political victory. Tremendous legitimacy.
Israel is far from invincible, and as the US falters, Israel is going to slide even faster.
Maybe, MAYBE, one positive effect from the watered-down Tea Party might be a decrease in our welfare to Israel, Egypt, and related areas in the ME. Could happen. -
John Prewett wrote: »Gonna evolve into an invasion of Israel and the invaders will be annihilated.
BTW - Vatican has a lot more influence over USA government than Israel does. MOslem leaders are HAPPY USA is wasting blood, treasure and moral authority by having troops in Afghanistan. Gives MOslem leaders a great rallying issue,... complete with lots of pics of dead kids. Bush, and now Barak Hussein Obama do MOslem leaders great service.
Why do you think the Vatican has more influence over the USA than Israel? Israel says jump and we say how high. The Pope, as far as I know, has no real agenda in the Middle East. -
The Vatican has nothing similar to an AIPAC telling our congress openly what to do. It's not a religious issue. It's pure politics.
Annihilated is the LAST thing Hezballah is going to experience. They just won a massive political victory. Tremendous legitimacy.
Israel is far from invincible, and as the US falters, Israel is going to slide even faster.
Maybe, MAYBE, one positive effect from the watered-down Tea Party might be a decrease in our welfare to Israel, Egypt, and related areas in the ME. Could happen.
It's possible, mostly because SOME Tea Party members are open to cutting military spending drastically, something Obama is unwilling to do, so far at least.
But most Tea Party members, really all, are ? Republicans. Democrats suck Israeli ? without a condom, but Republicans swallow and are willing to put that ? on camcorder. Not sure if Israel fears the Tea Party, as long as most mainstream Repubs are not Tea Party members. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »Why do you think the Vatican has more influence over the USA than Israel? Israel says jump and we say how high. The Pope, as far as I know, has no real agenda in the Middle East.
I'm gonna post a tiny sample of evidence. People who choose to remain ignorant are certainly free to remain so. -
" The key Administration players were all devout Roman Catholics -- CIA chief William Casey, Allen, Clark, Haig, Walters and William Wilson, Reagan's first ambassador to the Vatican.
They regarded the U.S.-Vatican relationship as a holy alliance:...."
Time
February 24, 1992 Cover Story The Holy Alliance
1 of 2 SPECIAL REPORT PAGE 28
Faced with a military crackdown in Poland, Ronald Reagan and John Paul II secretly joined forces to keep the Solidarity union alive. They hoped not only to pressure Warsaw but to free all of Eastern Europe.
By Carl Bernstein
Only President Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II were present in the Vatican Library on Monday, June 7, 1982. It was the first time the two had met, and they talked for 50 minutes. In the same wing of the papal apartments, Agostino Cardinal Casaroli and Archbishop Achille Silvestrini met with Secretary of State Alexander Haig and Judge William Clark, Reagan's National Security Adviser. Most of their discussion focused on Israel's invasion of Lebanon, then in its second day; Haig told them Prime Minister Menachem Begin had assured him that the invasion would not go farther than 25 miles inside Lebanon.
But Reagan and the Pope spent only a few minutes reviewing events in the Middle East. Instead they remained focused on a subject much closer to their heart: Poland and the Soviet dominance of Eastern Europe. In that meeting, Reagan and the Pope agreed to undertake a clandestine campaign to hasten the dissolution of the communist empire. Declares Richard Allen, Reagan's first National Security Adviser:
"This was one of the great secret alliances of all time."
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...................kingblaze84 wrote: »Yeah definitely, lol, I wonder how many planes Obama will offer Israel secretly now. We all know America is Israel's ? . -
John Prewett wrote: »I'm gonna post a tiny sample of evidence. People who choose to remain ignorant are certainly free to remain so.
"Donovan did more to safeguard and champion the [Roman Catholic] Church than any other American, ......"
From ............... AMERICAN DEMOCRACY & THE VATICAN: POPULATION GROWTH & NATIONAL SECURITY
By Dr. [Phd.] Stephen Mumford From page 172
Influence of the [Roman] Catholic Hierarchy on Government Policy
Consider the intensity of the commitment of these secret society members as "international defenders of the [Roman Catholic] Church." It is hardly a secret that one of the most important American advances in "defending the [Roman Catholic] Church" by Catholic elitists was the creation of the Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]. The activities of the CIA go far beyond intelligence gathering of an international nature.
The CIA serves as an agency through which secret "assistance" to the Holy Mother [Roman Catholic] Church can be provided by secret American society members acting as her defenders:
During the CIA's formative years, Protestants predominated...... Somehow, however, [Roman] Catholics wrested control of the CIA's covert-action section. It was no coincidence that some of the agency's more grandiose operations were in [Roman] Catholic countries of Latin America and the [Roman] Catholic regime of South Vietnam.11
For creating the Office of Strategic Services [OSS], the wartime predecessor to the CIA, and this special arrangement with the Vatican,
General William "Wild Bill" Donovan was decorated in July 1944 by Pope Pius XII with the Grand Cross of the Order of Saint Sylvester, the oldest and most prestigious of papal knighthoods. This award has been given to only one hundred other men in history, who "by feat of arms or writing or outstanding deeds have spread the faith and have safeguarded and championed the [Roman Catholic] Church."12
Donovan did more to safeguard and champion the [Roman Catholic] Church than any other American, and he was rewarded for his services with the highest [Roman] Catholic award ever received by an American. No doubt, thousands of others have striven with their deeds for similar recognition.
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AMERICAN DEMOCRACY & THE VATICAN:
POPULATION GROWTH & NATIONAL SECURITY
By Dr. [Phd.] Stephen Mumford
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 84-72500
Pub by........ Humanist Press PO Box 146 Amherst, NY
Available [about $10] from-
Center for Research on Population and Security
PO Box 13067
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709
also see ................. WILD BILL DONOVAN - The Last Hero
by Anthony Cave Brown ....... published by TIMES BOOKS 1982 -
From..... AMERICAN DEMOCRACY & THE VATICAN: POPULATION GROWTH & NATIONAL SECURITY
By Dr. [Phd.] Stephen Mumford
page 203
AMERICAN CONSERVATISM vs. THE RADICAL RELIGIOUS
"If we didn't know the Pope agrees with us, we Catholics in the New Right wouId have serious conscience problems. I would never work counter to the Church's offcial position." - PauI Weyrich, founder Moral Majority - Christian Voice - Religious RoundtabIe
The radical religious in our country, the so-calIed New Right, religious right, religious conservatives, and the Moral Majority, according to Paul Weyrich, will be guided by policy established in the Vatican.
To ensure that the Moral Majority does not act in ways in which the pope would not approve, the opinion of Weyrich and other Catholics in the organization must bear considerable weight in decision-making by the Moral Majority organization. They must be in positions of leadership.
We have discussed earlier the Vatican's control over faithful laypersons, and Weyrich is apparently in this mold. Weyrich and his Catholic colleagues control the Moral Majority. The Vatican controls Weyrich and his colleagues. Thus the Vatican controls the Moral Majority.
It is a fact that the American Catholic bishops described the Moral Majority in their 1975 Pastoral Plan of Action (appendix two), four years before Jerry Falwell was asked by the Catholics who named the organization to head it. The importance of this ........
From page 207
"The New Right, which is dominated by CathoIics such as Richard Viguerie and which answers to the Vatican, drew the fundamentalists in under the guise of religion-but for explicitIy poIiticaI purposes".
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AMERICAN DEMOCRACY & THE VATICAN:
POPULATION GROWTH & NATIONAL SECURITY
By Dr. [Phd.] Stephen Mumford
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 84-72500
Pub by....... Humanist Press PO Box 146 Amherst, NY
Availible [about $10] from-
Center for Research on Population and Security
PO Box 13067
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709
Also availible from-
TOM DAVIS Books, P.O.Box 1107, Aptos, CA 95001-1107 -
John Prewett wrote: »I'm gonna post a tiny sample of evidence. People who choose to remain ignorant are certainly free to remain so.
List of many hi level "Knights of Malta":
http://www.wutang-corp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101784 -
From ............ NATIONAL CATHOLIC REPORTER
December 29, 1989
page 3
By Joe Feuerherd NCR Staff
"BUSH HOBNOBS WITH CARDINALS TO WOO CHURCH"
WASHINGTON - President George Bush wants the Catholic church on his side. And he is using a top-down approach - personal contacts with leading members of the U.S. hierarchy - to get it.
The Reagan administration fought pitched battles with the U.S. Catholic bishops about U.S. nuclear strategy, the morality of the U.S. economy and Central America. Reagan Catholic cabinet officers, such as Alexander Haig and Caspar Weinberger, publicly challenged the bishops. White House staffers led by New Right activists in the Office of Public Liaison - Faith Ryan Whittlesey, Robert Riley and Linda Chavez - overtly gathered religious, including conservative Catholic, opposition to policies the Catholic bishops opposed.
[ from this, you'd never know how Reagan served the pope ...... JP ]
Times have changed.
In todays White House office of public liaison, where Doug Wead, special assistant to the president, handles Catholic groups, "the tensions are a lot less - at least as they're felt here in relations between the cardinals and the president," he said. Wead, a 43-year-old evangelical Christian, puts a premium on contact with the five active U.S. cardinals - Boston's Bernard Law, Chicago's Joseph Bernardin, Detroit's Edmund Szoka, New York's John O'Connor and Washington's James Hickey.
Said Wead, "We have more contact and involvement with the cardinals now than they did with the previous administration. lt is something that has evolved, something that is possible now that might not have been possible before because of issues that came between" the bishops and the Reagan administration.
Wead, from his ofice in the Old Executive Office Building, acknowledged little contact with the bishops' Washington bureaucracy - the U.S. Catholic Conference. "There are several reasons for that," he said. Foremost among them is that the public liaison staff has been "dramatically cut back." Unlike in the Reagan era, said Wead, "there is no full time Catholic liason."
Now, said Wead, many groups that once worked through the Reagan-era liaison office "go directly to the cabinet officers and deal directly with an issue."
Said Wead, "this administration has appointed more [Roman] Catholic cabinet officers than any other in American history. We want the church to feel loved and wanted, and we want them to have input."
(Bush has five [Roman] Catholic cabinet members: Interior Secretag Manuel Lujan, Education Secretary Lauro Cavazos, Transportation Secretary Samuel Skinner, Energy Secretary James Watkins and Veterans Affairs Secretary Edward Derwinski.)
Of the five cardinals, Boston's Law is a favorite of both Bush and Wead. Bush and Law met in 1985, said Wead. They became quick friends, spoke to each other often and, now, said Wead, "have a good relationship."
Said Wead, "the president never talked about, publicized or let anyone know about his relationship with Cardinal Law through the political campaign. And that would have been a very interesting story - the cardinal of Boston (and Bush) with Dukakis running."
A particular sign of Bush favor: Both Law and O'Connor have spent at least one overnight at the White House as presidential guests.
Wead, described by the Washington Times as a "major messenger to conservative organizations" and the coauthor of a book with former Interior Secretary James Watt, has a long-standing relationship with Law. A Missouri native, Wead knew Law when he was bishop of Missouri's Springfield-Cape Girardeau diocese and said he served on several committees with him.
In those days, Wead recalled, he helped finance a television show Law was hosting. Said Wead, "I had long conversations with him before he was a cardinal and before I was here. I like him and I trust his judgment."
Of published reports that a Law meeting with Bush at his Kennebunkport, Maine, home influenced the presiden't's thinking on abortion, Wead said, "I wasn't at the meeting, but that sounds like President Bush and that sounds like Cardinal Law."
Wead's conversations with the cardinals have ranged from the serious ("we're not afraid to call Cardinal O'Connor if we have a troubling political question") to the mundane ("a troubling question of etiquette on which we might otherwise be embarrassed to show our ignorance of").
"This has been a Catholic year," pronounced Wead, who frequently injects scriptural quotations into his conversation. Wead recounted Bush meetings with the five cardinals at the White House famiiy quarters within a month of his inauguration.
Said Wead, "I'd get in trouble if I told you what religious groups" have not been invited to the family quarters.
Bush has met with Catholic educators and attended the annual Washington, D.C., "Red Mass" for Catholic lawyers, said Wead. Continued Wead, "He (Bush) has been more sensitive and more accessible to the needs of the [Roman] Catholic church than any president I know of in American history."
Wead's other Catholic contacts include representatives of the Washington chapter of the Knights of Malta, a Catholic, monied fraternal organization, plus members of the one-time Catholics for Bush-Quayle campaign committee.
Will the Bush-cardinals' intimacy be productive on major Catholic issues? Bush has reason to think so. At a Dec.12 fund-raiser for The Catholic University of America, with church leaders in attendance, Bush spoke on four cardinal- pleasing topics.
As Bush dwelt on abortion, voluntary school prayer, child care that recognizes church day-care providers, and vowed to "do everything we can to bring to justice" the murderers of six Salvadoran Jesuits, he knew he had the audience on his side.
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"An American Requiem:? , My Father and the War that Came Between Us"
by James Carroll
is an enlightening book regarding RC and relationship with American military from WW 2 through Vietnam.
Mr Carroll writes that his father was within a day or so of graduating from RC seminary, and about to be made a priest,...
when his father was tapped by a RC cardinal for special duty. His father was not made a priest,...
rather he was made a FBI agent. Hi level enough to get to know J.Edgar Hoover himself.
After seven years with the FBI, about the time WW2 started,
his father was released from the FBI and inducted into the US Air Force.
Without so much as going through OCS, he was made a GENERAL in the USAF.
At least a part of his work was examining the records of candidates for promotion.
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Damn.....the Vatican has massive ties with the feds. I didn't know that to be honest, interesting posts Prewett.
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bear in mind that you're listening to an anti-Catholic bigot who has latched on to some unsubstantiated rumors that Seymour Hersh has been running with recentlykingblaze84 wrote: »Damn.....the Vatican has massive ties with the feds. I didn't know that to be honest, interesting posts Prewett. -
Hezballah in lebanon. Revolution in Egypt.
Pincer move? -
Israel is an AMERICAN STATE in the Middle East.
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Not even close. Israel is a tail that wags the US dog. It might be more accurate to describe the US as an Israeli state in North America.
Our allegiance to Israel costs of much for nothing. They even attacked one of our ships and killed many US sailors.
