How is Egypt (Kemet, the Black land, descendants of Kush, located in Africa)...
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Maalik
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Not considered an African Country? Regardless of which ethnicity/religious group populates the country today, 3000 years ago, before any settlers from Greece, Rome or the Middle East breached the city's walls, while it was a thriving civilization it was a Black city. I dont understand the argument...
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Cain_Marko wrote: »There is no argument. They decided calling themselves part of the Middle East completely distancing themselves from Africa. Population is 50/50 Muslim to African but you dont see any "blacks" do you?
1410: North America belonged to Native Americans
That was 600 years ago...so you could see how one would say, Egypt may have been VASTLY different 3 thousand years ago. Im not speaking on what Egypt considers themselves today....they're culturally an arab nation, especially after centuries of racial mixing. I'm speaking on Philosophers who debate whether or not Ancient Egypt was a black civilization, when millions of signs point to it. -
Cain_Marko wrote: »Oh my bad. To me the answer is they dont wanna give Africans the credit they deserve
Its crazy. In 50 years, America's largest racial group will be hispanics. I guess in 3000 years, philosophers will write that the United States was founded by them... -
Cain_Marko wrote: »Oh my bad. To me the answer is they dont wanna give Africans the credit they deserve
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ive always considered it an african country
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Africans need to run them Arabs the ? up outta there with that ? . How can you claim a land where you cant even go outside without covering your entire body to prevent triple degree sunburn.
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its been controlled by the arabs for more than a thousand years
before that, it was controlled by the romans
before that, the greeks
before that, the persians
and waaaaaaaay long ago, it was controlled by the egyptians, who depicted themselves as being considerably LIGHTER than their neighbors to the south
to say egypt was "black" is not honest
commence feelings catching -
i didnt even kno egypt was in afirca till about the eleventh grade, and of course they were black....if its in africa, its black to me
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KTULU IS BACK wrote: »its been controlled by the arabs for more than a thousand years
before that, it was controlled by the romans
before that, the greeks
before that, the persians
and waaaaaaaay long ago, it was controlled by the egyptians, who depicted themselves as being considerably LIGHTER than their neighbors to the south
to say egypt was "black" is not honest
commence feelings catching
Okay....you speaking that ? .
By the time Egypt was conquered by anyone, it far AFTER its prominence. The high point of Egypt's history was titled as the Kingdom dynasty (The Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom & New Kingdom)...which lasted from 2600 B.C. until about 1258 B.C after Ramses death.
The Palestians & Assyrians took control of Egypt shortly after (1260 B.C.), who lost control to the Persians, who lost control to Alexander The Great & the Greeks who eventually lost control to the Roman Empire in 30 B.C.
So to clear ? up for the misinformed, the Romans & the Greeks had no business in Ancient Egypt for 1400 years. The period most philosophers salivate over, The Kingdom Period, Ancient Egypt was untapped & secluded from outsiders.
Ancient Egyptians were descendants of Ancient Kushites & Nubians. The name Egypt translate to Kemet/Land of Ham (one of Noah's 3 sons). This translates to "Black Land". Historians over the years have "attempted" to state that "Black Land' is meant to describe the dark soil in the Nile Valley & not the color of the natives....which is ? .
There is nothing arabic about this ? ...
Saying someone isn't African because there skin is of a lighter tone....is probably the most ? thing I've ever heard. All across the Africa Diaspora, skin colors vary. A native from Niger looks completely different than a native from Eritrea. Egyptians were most likely of lighter complexion due to being located above the Sub-Sahara...not due to not being African. No other civilization invaded Egypt until 1260 B.C., Egypt has roots back to 9000 B.C., it was a black civilization. Modern science just has a problem admitting that alot of today's marvels were discovered by one. -
I didn't say they're not African.
I said they're not "black."
But more importantly, Egypt was a ? place to live for those thousands of years the pharaohs ruled. If you were born a slave, you would die a slave. Less than 10% of the population was taught how to read. The average life expectancy was less than 30 years.
And if you didn't like the way the gubment was running things? Too bad.
Living in America >>>>>>>>>>>> Living in ancient Egypt -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »I didn't say they're not African.
I said they're not "black."
But more importantly, Egypt was a ? place to live for those thousands of years the pharaohs ruled. If you were born a slave, you would die a slave. Less than 10% of the population was taught how to read. The average life expectancy was less than 30 years.
And if you didn't like the way the gubment was running things? Too bad.
Living in America >>>>>>>>>>>> Living in ancient Egypt
Then you are misinformed & ignorant.
Egypt means land of Black. Step your knowledge game up. If imperialism & racial mixing wasn't prevalent until 2000 years ago & Egypt has roots back to 11000 years ago....how was Egypt not a Black nation. That's a 9000 year period where no one interfered. Who would've founded it besides Blacks? And if it was a group other than the Kushites & Nubians, why would they call it Kemet? -
Kemet means "black soil" and refers to the flood plain of the Nile. It doesn't mean "black people."
The only people who believe that are Afrocentric internet conspiracy theorists who "research" by watching Youtubes all day. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »Kemet means "black soil" and refers to the flood plain of the Nile. It doesn't mean "black people."
The only people who believe that are Afrocentric internet conspiracy theorists who "research" by watching Youtubes all day.
It means land of black, which is ambiguous.
Kemet is also another name for Ham, one of Noah's sons.
Bigoted theorists "decided" Kemet meant Black soil, as if they had the evidence to know what individuals 11000 years ago truly meant by it. Ancient Egyptians are descendants of Cushites. Why would Cushites (i.e. black skinned people) settle in Egypt (i.e. Africa) & name their country land of black if it wasn't mean to describe them as a people. Too many references to be a coincidence. -
ham and noah didn't exist, they're fictional characters
lol if that's really the basis of your belief
and kemet does indeed literally refer to the land itself -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »ham and noah didn't exist, they're fictional characters
lol if that's really the basis of your belief
and kemet does indeed literally refer to the land itself
You're atheist so course you wouldn't believe it. -
Disciplined InSight wrote: »You're atheist so course you wouldn't believe it.
there's no reason to believe it -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »there's no reason to believe it
Of course that's your stance. You believe in NOTHING. -
Okay....you speaking that ? .
By the time Egypt was conquered by anyone, it far AFTER its prominence. The high point of Egypt's history was titled as the Kingdom dynasty (The Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom & New Kingdom)...which lasted from 2600 B.C. until about 1258 B.C after Ramses death.
The Palestians & Assyrians took control of Egypt shortly after (1260 B.C.), who lost control to the Persians, who lost control to Alexander The Great & the Greeks who eventually lost control to the Roman Empire in 30 B.C.
So to clear ? up for the misinformed, the Romans & the Greeks had no business in Ancient Egypt for 1400 years. The period most philosophers salivate over, The Kingdom Period, Ancient Egypt was untapped & secluded from outsiders.
Ancient Egyptians were descendants of Ancient Kushites & Nubians. The name Egypt translate to Kemet/Land of Ham (one of Noah's 3 sons). This translates to "Black Land". Historians over the years have "attempted" to state that "Black Land' is meant to describe the dark soil in the Nile Valley & not the color of the natives....which is ? .
There is nothing arabic about this ? ...
Saying someone isn't African because there skin is of a lighter tone....is probably the most ? thing I've ever heard. All across the Africa Diaspora, skin colors vary. A native from Niger looks completely different than a native from Eritrea. Egyptians were most likely of lighter complexion due to being located above the Sub-Sahara...not due to not being African. No other civilization invaded Egypt until 1260 B.C., Egypt has roots back to 9000 B.C., it was a black civilization. Modern science just has a problem admitting that alot of today's marvels were discovered by one.
Modern science that's headed by WHITES. -
Disciplined InSight wrote: »Of course that's your stance. You believe in NOTHING.
i believe in what's supported by evidence and logic
i dont believe in magic and fairy tales -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »i believe in what's supported by evidence and logic
i dont believe in magic and fairy tales
The world was all of a sudden came from NOTHING. That's your evidence and logic. -
Disciplined InSight wrote: »The world was all of a sudden came from NOTHING. That's your evidence and logic.
thats not even close to how the naturalistic explanation of the origin of the cosmos works
read a brief history of time, its easy enough for laymen -
I don't understand why some blacks will vigorously debate, at great length, whether Egypt was a black country in its heyday, but won't encourage each other to hit the books today.
Let's make black history now. -
allreasoned_out wrote: »I don't understand why some blacks will vigorously debate, at great length, whether Egypt was a black country in its heyday, but won't encourage each other to hit the books today.
Let's make black history now.
Completely irrelevant to the discussion. I agree but...that's another topic for another day. -
The a-rabs moved in, wanted to claim the fame, and whoop; there it is.
/thread
never let anyone tell you that the a-rabs are real the Egyptians. -
There is a convoluted understanding of what "Black land" means with respect to Egypt. Just as Egypt was not White European, it was also not Black African. The Egyptian language is not in the same language family as most of Black Africa, the Egyptian genetic group does not exist in most of Black Africa, etc.
The only Black peoples who have a linguistic or genetic affiliation with Ancient Egypt are the Somalis and Ethiopians. They in turn have the closet affiliation linguistically and genetically with the Berbers of North Africa who look very white while ironically the Somalis/Ethiopians are quite obviously black.
Ancient Egyptian language (today Coptic) is in a language family separate from most of Black Africa
The father haplo-type (meaning most recent genetic tribe membership) also resembles the linguistic map
You can't call Ancient Egypt "black" nor "white", they were/are part of a distinct linguistic/genetic group that seems to have been ignored by Afrocentrists and Eurocentrist prior to the rise of modern sciences. Also, culturally they are very much Arab as a result of recent conquest so this is why they possibly don't consider themselves "African". They also resort more to the Middle Eastern identity than African identity because Egypt is the largest Modern Arab nation, it's dialect of Arab is the standard dialect in common Arab media, and it is the cultural and artistic center of the Arab world, along with having the largest Arabic city. Although, and I have half-Egyptian cousins, most Egyptians are proud of their distinct "Egyptianess" still. -
The a-rabs moved in, wanted to claim the fame, and whoop; there it is.
/thread
never let anyone tell you that the a-rabs are real the Egyptians.
I agree.... Egyptians were descendants of Nubians & Kushites. Over the ages.....8,000 years after the initial settlement, Arabs & other groups moved in. Saying Ancient Egypt wasn't African/Black because of the Arabs in Present Day Egypt is like saying Ancient North America was entirely White European because of Present Day population of the U.S. Its complete fuckery & the only reason this is such a disputed debate, is because Egypt was actually important to the development of modern man.
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