How do y'all feel about the way the US/Obama is handling Egypt?
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There seem to be two choices on the table:
Endorse a total and fast switch to democracy, and risk the possibility that they might elect some people we don't like.
Or endorse Mubarak's VP, which would essentially constitute a continuation of the brutal and corrupt military dictatorship.
Seems to me like Obama Admin has tried to have it both ways, calling for an "orderly transition" to democracy, but in practice supporting the military and the ascension of VP Suleiman. I know it isn't like Obama can make the decision for Egypt (although certainly the US has a lot lot lot of influence via our foreign aid and military support of the Egyptian dictatorship), but should he put down the hammer and have a "tear down this wall" moment like his idol Reagan? (and not just the rhetoric, I mean getting serious about suspending aid)
Endorse a total and fast switch to democracy, and risk the possibility that they might elect some people we don't like.
Or endorse Mubarak's VP, which would essentially constitute a continuation of the brutal and corrupt military dictatorship.
Seems to me like Obama Admin has tried to have it both ways, calling for an "orderly transition" to democracy, but in practice supporting the military and the ascension of VP Suleiman. I know it isn't like Obama can make the decision for Egypt (although certainly the US has a lot lot lot of influence via our foreign aid and military support of the Egyptian dictatorship), but should he put down the hammer and have a "tear down this wall" moment like his idol Reagan? (and not just the rhetoric, I mean getting serious about suspending aid)
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He's doing poorly.
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Haha, c/s.
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As usual, he's in an impossible position if you actually see him as an agent of progressive change.
But since he's a typical American corporate lackey, he's doing what any other stooge would do. He can't say "We outright support the pro-democracy protesters" because people over there might believe it and continue rising up against US-backed dictatorships.
And he can't just tell the truth and say "We will support Mubarak until it is impossible from a PR standpoint" because that makes him look like a ? . -
Obama has done the bare minimum of good in this situation. He has called for an orderly transition to democracy, which is good. He also seems to be distancing himself lately from Suleiman, the feared intelligence agent who tortured many in Egypt, so Obama is not doing too bad in my eyes. He also called the revolution in Egypt a joyous occasion for the people, so Obama is doing decent overall.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »Obama has done the bare minimum of good in this situation. He has called for an orderly transition to democracy, which is good. He also seems to be distancing himself lately from Suleiman, the feared intelligence agent who tortured many in Egypt, so Obama is not doing too bad in my eyes. He also called the revolution in Egypt a joyous occasion for the people, so Obama is doing decent overall.
But he's still a globalist for the bankers and you know it, he does not care about anybody except the bankers and the global elite. -
tupacfan35 wrote: »But he's still a globalist for the bankers and you know it, he does not care about anybody except the bankers and the global elite.
SHUT THE ? UP .. if its not fat joe or cameron its obama.. get some fresh air -
U pretty much summed it up. We can have a democratic government full of people who hate us and voter who hate us.
Or we can support the regime which makes us look like bullies.
Pick your poison.
Also we dont know how Obama's handling Egypt. We just know how the media SAYS he is handling Egypt. And they will make ? up and just go with "their sources" in a second. -
playmaker88 wrote: »shut the ? up .. If its not fat joe or cameron its obama.. Get some fresh air
? you anyways, nobama is still a globalist ? just like bush jr, except he's a slick statesman! -
tupacfan35 wrote: »But he's still a globalist for the bankers and you know it, he does not care about anybody except the bankers and the global elite.
Obama deserves criticism for supporting the big companies too much but on this situation, let's give the man credit. His attitude towards the Egyptians, at least for the past 2 weeks, is way better than the response Republicans were giving. Most of them supported Mubarak, while Obama went out of his way to shove Mubarak to the side. He gets props for that. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »Obama deserves criticism for supporting the big companies too much but on this situation, let's give the man credit. His attitude towards the Egyptians, at least for the past 2 weeks, is way better than the response Republicans were giving. Most of them supported Mubarak, while Obama went out of his way to shove Mubarak to the side. He gets props for that.
But that's it, I Will never support him nor the republicans, except ron paul.
Paul is the truth. -
tupacfan35 wrote: »But that's it, I Will never support him nor the republicans, except ron paul.
Paul is the truth.
Do you have wet dreams about Ron Paul? Does he whisper sweet nothings in yo ear? /yes ? -
Obama is on TV talking soft and weak as ? tonight.
"The people of Egypt... have spoken... and that's pretty cool... you know, we'll see how things go... uh..." -
the key phrase you may be overlooking in order to praise Obama's foreign policy is "for the past 2 weeks"kingblaze84 wrote: »His attitude towards the Egyptians, at least for the past 2 weeks, is way better than the response Republicans were giving. Most of them supported Mubarak, while Obama went out of his way to shove Mubarak to the side. -
Obama looked/lookin like a spineless ? as he does most the time.....
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he handled it like we all would
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the key phrase you may be overlooking in order to praise Obama's foreign policy is "for the past 2 weeks"
I know exactly what I have said. His response to the revolution was good because he didn't overreact. I say he did well for the past 2 weeks because let's face it, he gave Mubarak support publicly since he got into office, even when we knew he was a mean ass dictator.
But these past 2 weeks, Obama has been cool and measured in his response. He didn't insult the Egyptian people's intelligence by calling them savages, like many Republicans were. He did not whine about the Muslim Brotherhood too much, knowing very well this was a secular revolution. His Egyptian policy has been solid lately, and he made America look at least a little bit more respectable to the world. He gets a B+ as far as the Eyptian crisis is concerned. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »I know exactly what I have said. His response to the revolution was good because he didn't overreact. I say he did well for the past 2 weeks because let's face it, he gave Mubarak support publicly since he got into office, even when we knew he was a mean ass dictator.
But these past 2 weeks, Obama has been cool and measured in his response. He didn't insult the Egyptian people's intelligence by calling them savages, like many Republicans were. He did not whine about the Muslim Brotherhood too much, knowing very well this was a secular revolution. His Egyptian policy has been solid lately, and he made America look at least a little bit more respectable to the world. He gets a B+ as far as the Eyptian crisis is concerned.
I agree with a situation like this he has to be cool and has to show that he isn't directly siding with anybody. We got keywords that ? off republicans and teaparty at play MUSLIM,MIDDLE EAST, REVOLUTION,PROTEST. He has to let this situation play out organically because regardless of the outcome any form of american intervention is a bad thing. I believe you said something along the lines of this earlier. -
Recent regime change in Egypt means the major nation bordering Israel is going more hard line MOslem.
Obama's contributed toward this regime change.
If you think full scale war [sooner rather than later] against Israel is a good idea,
then Obama is doing just fine. -
John Prewett wrote: »Recent regime change in Egypt means the major nation bordering Israel is going more hard line MOslem.
Obama's contributed toward this regime change.
If you think full scale war [sooner rather than later] against Israel is a good idea,
then Obama is doing just fine.
How exactly did Obama contribute to the regime change? You act like the protesters would have listened to Obama if he said calm the ? down and go home. There were thousands protesting and getting bigger with no violence other then the violence placed on them. -
supersajinfo wrote: »I agree with a situation like this he has to be cool and has to show that he isn't directly siding with anybody. We got keywords that ? off republicans and teaparty at play MUSLIM,MIDDLE EAST, REVOLUTION,PROTEST. He has to let this situation play out organically because regardless of the outcome any form of american intervention is a bad thing. I believe you said something along the lines of this earlier.
Exactly, Obama knows America's troublesome history in the Middle East. Butting in their business and showing support for Mubarak would backfire incredibly, and would have probably made the protestors turn violent out of desperation. We all see how America butting in in Iraq and Afghanistan has turned out. -
John Prewett wrote: »Recent regime change in Egypt means the major nation bordering Israel is going more hard line MOslem.
Obama's contributed toward this regime change.
If you think full scale war [sooner rather than later] against Israel is a good idea,
then Obama is doing just fine.
Israel can take care of itself, they are the Chosen People, arent' they?
Since when does the Chosen need America's help? According to your precious Bible, ? will take care of Israel, so don't fret over those pesky Egyptians demanding freedom and democracy = )
Israel will win a war against its neighbors that hate it, you worry too much. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »Israel can take care of itself, they are the Chosen People, arent' they?
Since when does the Chosen need America's help?
According to your precious Bible, ? will take care of Israel,
so don't fret over those pesky Egyptians demanding freedom and democracy = )
Israel will win a war against its neighbors that hate it, you worry too much.
Israel cannot "take care of itself", however, as you note, ? will see to the survival of his special tool nation.
I'm not in the least worried that Egypt [and other nations in the vicinity]
is going more hard line MOslem.
I see it as a "sign of the times" that we are getting closer to the final end game.
Pedal to the metal ! -
FuriousOne wrote: »How exactly did Obama contribute to the regime change?
You act like the protesters would have listened to Obama if he said calm the ? down and go home.
There were thousands protesting and getting bigger with no violence other then the violence placed on them.
Certainly Obama was not the main factor.
However,
many commentators have noted that from the get-go of this regime change,
the Obama admin signaled support for the ouster of Mubarak.
Do you doubt Obama is more sympathetic to the MOslem POV than to the Israeli POV ? Or do you think he is really neutral ? -
John Prewett wrote: »Certainly Obama was not the main factor.
However,
many commentators have noted that from the get-go of this regime change,
the Obama admin signaled support for the ouster of Mubarak.
Do you doubt Obama is more sympathetic to the MOslem POV than to the Israeli POV ? Or do you think he is really neutral ?
Obama stays kissing Israeli ass just like every other US politician, despite their disgusting apartheid policy. As for his position on Mubarak, look he basically played both sides of the fence until it was clear that the protests weren't gonna fizzle out, then he supported Suleiman, who is more or less exactly like Mubarak.
Also I think this is largely a secular movement in Egypt. I read that Muslim Brotherhood has 15% support and no single MB candidate gets over 1% support in pres polling. -
Did y'all ? go as hard on Bush as y'all do on Obama? I swear every time I come in here it's "? OBAMA!!! TELL THAT ? TO EAT A ? "
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