Why is it that steve nash was never the best player on his teams until this year?

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Robert TOWNsend
Robert TOWNsend Members Posts: 1,275
edited April 2011 in From the Cheap Seats
And they didnt even make the playoffs, no coincidence.
Most overrated player of all time.
Can you name an mvp,especially a two time mvp who was never the best player on his team until AFTER he won the award and didn't even make the playoffs?
Can't do it, i know. Steve nash and his mvp's are the biggest frauds in nba history and anybody who supports it is a shoe shining ? .
Any complaints, rebuttals or denials?
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  • Coo Coo Cal's Beanie
    Coo Coo Cal's Beanie Members Posts: 3,864 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2011
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    Nash is a 2 time MVP and isn't even the best PG in suns history
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  • dbrazil412
    dbrazil412 Members Posts: 9,410 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2011
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    no. not from me....but i aint millz
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  • dbrazil412
    dbrazil412 Members Posts: 9,410 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Coo Coo Cal's Beanie wrote: »
    Nash is a 2 time MVP and isn't even the best PG in suns history



    who was better?
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  • Robert TOWNsend
    Robert TOWNsend Members Posts: 1,275
    edited April 2011
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    dbrazil412 wrote: »
    who was better?

    Kidd and kevin johnson, check it.
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  • Coo Coo Cal's Beanie
    Coo Coo Cal's Beanie Members Posts: 3,864 ✭✭✭
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    dbrazil412 wrote: »
    who was better?

    Kidd and Kevin Johnson
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  • GettinLo
    GettinLo Members Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2011
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    Robert TOWNsend wrote: »
    Kidd and kevin johnson, check it.

    pretty much... per Stern's rules:

    Sec 23 Article 17 Paragraph 3

    MVP criteria - A White man must win the MVP award 3 times per 10 year cycle. This will keep the White fan engaged in the NBA as well as in talk of the NBA at work thus expanding the popularity of the NBA among the coveted demographic of White American males. Also, the White player must feel on par or superior to the Black player at least 3 times per 10 year cycle thus creating the illusion of White equality and/or superiority on the basketball court. No one shall question the selection of said White MVP.
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  • Primetime Ace Boogie
    Primetime Ace Boogie Members Posts: 965 ✭✭✭
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    aone415 wrote: »
    pretty much... per Stern's rules:

    Sec 23 Article 17 Paragraph 3

    MVP criteria - A White man must win the MVP award 3 times per 10 year cycle. This will keep the White fan engaged in the NBA as well as in talk of the NBA at work thus expanding the popularity of the NBA among the coveted demographic of White American males. Also, the White player must feel on par or superior to the Black player at least 3 times per 10 year cycle thus creating the illusion of White equality and/or superiority on the basketball court. No one shall question the selection of said White MVP.

    LOL thats a good one.
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  • CapitalB
    CapitalB Members Posts: 24,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    maaaaaaaan yall cant be hatin on my boy nash now. hahahahaha

    and as a longtime suns fan.. ill put him in front of Kidd directly behind KJ..
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  • ReppinTime
    ReppinTime Members Posts: 4,760 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    He was the best player on the suns the years he won the mvps ?
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  • Robert TOWNsend
    Robert TOWNsend Members Posts: 1,275
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    ReppinTime wrote: »
    He was the best player on the suns the years he won the mvps ?

    Lank???????????
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  • Mr.Burns
    Mr.Burns Members Posts: 517 ✭
    edited April 2011
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    To answer your question...Amare went to NY. That's why.
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  • Thanuyoka
    Thanuyoka Members Posts: 102 ✭
    edited April 2011
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    Arguably the best passer in NBA history
    Beautiful shot having multiple 50/40/90 seasons
    Offensively nash was that ?
    Top 5 Point guard ROA (retired or active)
    Dude ran through several seasons with stoudemire as the only other offensive option and 60 win seasons without playing a slice of defense


    ...? outta here is basically the main theme of this paragraph
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  • CapitalB
    CapitalB Members Posts: 24,556 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thanuyoka wrote: »
    Arguably the best passer in NBA history
    Beautiful shot having multiple 50/40/90 seasons
    Offensively nash was that ?
    Top 5 Point guard ROA (retired or active)
    Dude ran through several seasons with stoudemire as the only other offensive option and 60 win seasons without playing a slice of defense


    ...? outta here is basically the main theme of this paragraph

    i ? with this post..
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  • mindright
    mindright Members Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭✭
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    Thanuyoka wrote: »
    Arguably the best passer in NBA history
    Beautiful shot having multiple 50/40/90 seasons
    Offensively nash was that ?
    Top 5 Point guard ROA (retired or active)
    Dude ran through several seasons with stoudemire as the only other offensive option and 60 win seasons without playing a slice of defense


    ...? outta here is basically the main theme of this paragraph

    Real talk...

    t/s do your homework..Nash won 2 mvp's back to back...how wasn't he the best player on his team??
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  • Mvpbrodie93
    Mvpbrodie93 Members Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭
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    Lol at winning the MVP and not being the best player on the team. Nash is one of best offensive players ever
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  • Robert TOWNsend
    Robert TOWNsend Members Posts: 1,275
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    mindright wrote: »
    Real talk...

    t/s do your homework..Nash won 2 mvp's back to back...how wasn't he the best player on his team??

    So because he won two fraudulent mvp's proves he was the best player on any of his teams? Hilarious
    Mvpbrodie93 wrote: »
    Lol at winning the MVP and not being the best player on the team. Nash is one of best offensive players ever

    Efficient =/= one of the best offensive players ever, calm down stan.
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  • MICHAEL-V.I.
    MICHAEL-V.I. Members Posts: 1,898 ✭✭
    edited April 2011
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    Steve Nash the best Passer ever? ? Please
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  • ReppinTime
    ReppinTime Members Posts: 4,760 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Thanuyoka wrote: »
    Arguably the best passer in NBA history
    Beautiful shot having multiple 50/40/90 seasons
    Offensively nash was that ?
    Top 5 Point guard ROA (retired or active)
    Dude ran through several seasons with stoudemire as the only other offensive option and 60 win seasons without playing a slice of defense


    ...? outta here is basically the main theme of this paragraph


    l o l

    Nash Da Goat?
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  • rage
    rage Members Posts: 5,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Robert TOWNsend wrote: »
    So because he won two fraudulent mvp's proves he was the best player on any of his teams? Hilarious



    Efficient =/= one of the best offensive players ever, calm down stan.

    How were they fraudulent?
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  • Robert TOWNsend
    Robert TOWNsend Members Posts: 1,275
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    rage wrote: »
    How were they fraudulent?

    Because he wasn't the best player on his team, and didn't deserve to win the mvp?
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  • Coo Coo Cal's Beanie
    Coo Coo Cal's Beanie Members Posts: 3,864 ✭✭✭
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    Thanuyoka wrote: »
    Arguably the best passer in NBA history
    Beautiful shot having multiple 50/40/90 seasons
    Offensively nash was that ?
    Top 5 Point guard ROA (retired or active)
    Dude ran through several seasons with stoudemire as the only other offensive option and 60 win seasons without playing a slice of defense


    ...? outta here is basically the main theme of this paragraph
    1. Magic, Stockton, Kidd...all better passers easily
    2. Great shooter, but his percentages became inflated when he got to phoenix because of the amount of offensive weapons he had
    3. He's not a top 5 PG in history. Magic, Isiah Thomas, Oscar Robertson, John Stockton, Kevin Johnson, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, Mark Jackson, Rod Strickland, all had better career averages. You can even argue Tim Hardaway was better.

    Nash is a product of the D'Antoni system. He was a ? during his first stint in Phx. And even in Dallas under Don Nelson's high octane system he was outplayed by Robert Pack who happened to have almost identical averages as Nash. Nash benefitted from playing with Amar'e, Marion, and Joe Johnson (all were proven scorers the previous year before Nash). Nash never played defense. Never made it to the finals. Always got eliminated by weaker opponents. He's a career journeyman that flourished in the right system.
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  • rage
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    Robert TOWNsend wrote: »
    Because he wasn't the best player on his team, and didn't deserve to win the mvp?

    Prove that he wasnt
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  • Mvpbrodie93
    Mvpbrodie93 Members Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2011
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    How is he not one of the best offensive players ever?

    All time great shooter
    Passer
    Handles
    And master of the pick and roll

    When I think about it, who runs better offensive teams then Nash? Every year his teams have been ranked one or two on offense. Even in the Dallas days
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  • Robert TOWNsend
    Robert TOWNsend Members Posts: 1,275
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    rage wrote: »
    Prove that he wasnt

    Common sense
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  • Mvpbrodie93
    Mvpbrodie93 Members Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2011
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    Robert TOWNsend wrote: »
    Because he wasn't the best player on his team, and didn't deserve to win the mvp?
    How so?
    In 05' He led suns to the best record in the league in 05' and they had the number one offense in the league
    In 06' they lost amare and they still won over 50 games
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