MLB Should NOT ban running into the catcher
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Darius
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDEouxesIbccan't even believe they are talking about this. well i guess i can b/c safety is the thing. in all sports.
but that would not be a good rule. too much gray area on what could and could not be allowed.
instead, teach these catchers how to properly block the plate, if they chose to do so. Posey hasn't been around the game long and maybe has never even been taught a good technique. It just looks like he isn't even bracing for a hit. sitting on his legs. all his weight back. Plus, good or bad technique, an injury can happen on these types of plays. But it doesn't happen often enough to warrent a rule change. Close plays at home are one of the most exciting plays in baseball and tweaking the rules to force the runner to avoid the catcher takes alot away from the play and could also lead to injury.
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I don't see the problem with banning it. Besides hard slides into 2nd base, you don't see muthafuckas barreling over any other base position players. Protect the catcher and base runner.
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I don't see the problem with banning it. Besides hard slides into 2nd base, you don't see muthafuckas barreling over any other base position players. Protect the catcher and base runner.
because if you barrel over the guy on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd then its going to be an easy out cause you probably wont stay on the base. you dont have that risk when running to home. -
yea I'm either way on this but why not protect your stars who the fans are paying top dollar to watch. I don't watch baseball for hits on the catcher. if they got rid of it i don't htink anybody would even notice
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Idk how to call it
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catchers have gear. if they know what they are doing, they'll set up to brace themselves for it and be able to bear the brunt of it.
but if they outlaw it then they have to stop catchers from getting in the basepath and if a throw is slightly up the third baseline then not only is the catcher blocking the plate, he's impeding the runner. -
because if you barrel over the guy on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd then its going to be an easy out cause you probably wont stay on the base. you dont have that risk when running to home.
That's still no excuse, half of the plays the player already have the ball, so why slide into the tag, just run his ass over and he may drop the ball. If he he is waiting on the ball, just barrel over him and he will never catch the ball, giving you time to get on the base. But you never see that happen on 1st,2nd, or 3rd. On DP's why slide hard, just barrel into the muthafucker, sure way to break up the DP.
That gear is to protect you from pitches, not line backers and safeties. -
That's still no excuse, half of the plays the player already have the ball, so why slide into the tag, just run his ass over and he may drop the ball. If he he is waiting on the ball, just barrel over him and he will never catch the ball, giving you time to get on the base. But you never see that happen on 1st,2nd, or 3rd. On DP's why slide hard, just barrel into the muthafucker, sure way to break up the DP.
That gear is to protect you from pitches, not line backers and safeties.
on a double play, if you dont get down. feet first. or run out of the baseline, you will get a ball thrown at you. and there is no real advantage to running a guy over on a base. because they aren't blocking you from the base. there is always a lane for a foot or hand. thats not the case with home plate with a catcher camping out in front of the plate. -
on a double play, if you dont get down. feet first. or run out of the baseline, you will get a ball thrown at you. and there is no real advantage to running a guy over on a base. because they aren't blocking you from the base. there is always a lane for a foot or hand. thats not the case with home plate with a catcher camping out in front of the plate.
The double play you're talking about is not a close play where the runner can even make a hard slide. I'm talking about bang bang plays like the home plate plays. Why not just run every base position player over instead of taking a chance of him catching the ball and tagging you out, just run his ass over and eliminate the chance of him getting you out. -
The double play you're talking about is not a close play where the runner can even make a hard slide. I'm talking about bang bang plays like the home plate plays. Why not just run every base position player over instead of taking a chance of him catching the ball and tagging you out, just run his ass over and eliminate the chance of him getting you out.
probably because you get to the base quicker by sliding in than by trying to run over a guy who is beside or straddling the bag. You'd have to come in upright to run him over. and if you missed. you're out. and if you hit him you could still be 10 feet off the bag. all it would take is the backup man getting the ball and tagging you out. -
False about getting to the base quicker by sliding, that's why they teach not to slide into first because its quicker to run it out. Sliding requires you to slow down, get on the ground, and the friction between you and the ground obviously slows you down.probably because you get to the base quicker by sliding in than by trying to run over a guy who is beside or straddling the bag. You'd have to come in upright to run him over. and if you missed. you're out. and if you hit him you could still be 10 feet off the bag. all it would take is the backup man getting the ball and tagging you out.
If you wipe any base position player out like Buster Posey was wiped out, you will have time to get back to the bag. -
False about getting to the base quicker by sliding, that's why they teach not to slide into first because its quicker to run it out. Sliding requires you to slow down, get on the ground, and the friction between you and the ground obviously slows you down.
If you wipe any base position player out like Buster Posey was wiped out, you will have time to get back to the bag.
its faster to first base b/c you can run through the bag. and the first baseman is not even on the bag so there is no way to run him over. you'd be going out of your way to do so. -
[QUOTE=matt-;2675059]its faster to first base b/c you can run through the bag. and the first baseman is not even on the bag so there is no way to run him over. you'd be going out of your way to do so.[/QUOTE]
That is true, but sliding still is not a quicker way to get to the bag. Yes a more evasive way to get to the base and keeps you from running past the base. You don't have to be on the base to get ran over. For instance a running sliding into second don't have to slide directly into the base as long as he can reach the base within arm reach, and not be considered as runner interference. Basically infielders are protected, and people think because the catcher has equipment that's designed to protect him from pitches and foul ? , its cool to plow them to score a run. -
in the mlb rule book catchers are not allowed to block the plate
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Another hypocritical old time baseball rule. *turns to commissioner*
"You are not a physical sport. Your pitchers can put into their contract that they are not required to partake in running or actual physically demanding activities. Cut the ? . You are a fake tough sport. There is nothing "manly" or "athletic" about barreling into a defenseless player after a 90 foot headstart. If punt returners can get a fair catch signal because of the possibility of serious injury, what makes you think your league of fat ? deserves the right to do differently. And while you're at, tell your ? ass pitchers, that throwing a fastball high and up doesn't impress anyone. Especially when the point of the game is to stay in the batters box. You really want to impress us, stand on the pitchers mound and willingly get hit by a players bat before punching back. And sliding feet first into second or third isn't a "good hard play." You have spikes on you ? . All infielders should be allowed to drop a fuckn knee into a players eye, Osama style." -
Another hypocritical old time baseball rule. *turns to commissioner*
"You are not a physical sport. Your pitchers can put into their contract that they are not required to partake in running or actual physically demanding activities. Cut the ? . You are a fake tough sport. There is nothing "manly" or "athletic" about barreling into a defenseless player after a 90 foot headstart. If punt returners can get a fair catch signal because of the possibility of serious injury, what makes you think your league of fat ? deserves the right to do differently. And while you're at, tell your ? ass pitchers, that throwing a fastball high and up doesn't impress anyone. Especially when the point of the game is to stay in the batters box. You really want to impress us, stand on the pitchers mound and willingly get hit by a players bat before punching back. And sliding feet first into second or third isn't a "good hard play." You have spikes on you ? . All infielders should be allowed to drop a fuckn knee into a players eye, Osama style."
A lot of truth in there. -
I don't see the problem with banning it. Besides hard slides into 2nd base, you don't see muthafuckas barreling over any other base position players. Protect the catcher and base runner.yea I'm either way on this but why not protect your stars who the fans are paying top dollar to watch. I don't watch baseball for hits on the catcher. if they got rid of it i don't htink anybody would even notice
Hell nah they shouldnt ban that................ If they ban running into the catcher then the catchers shouldnt be able to protect the plate...... That simple -
That's still no excuse, half of the plays the player already have the ball, so why slide into the tag, just run his ass over and he may drop the ball. If he he is waiting on the ball, just barrel over him and he will never catch the ball, giving you time to get on the base. But you never see that happen on 1st,2nd, or 3rd. On DP's why slide hard, just barrel into the muthafucker, sure way to break up the DP.
That gear is to protect you from pitches, not line backers and safeties.
Actually you can take out the second baseman on a DP. You never noticed how players slide with they legs in the air away from the base trying to take out the 2nd baseman...... Also some playes slide with they hands in the air to try to get they hands in the way of the throw. -
Another hypocritical old time baseball rule. *turns to commissioner*
"You are not a physical sport. Your pitchers can put into their contract that they are not required to partake in running or actual physically demanding activities. Cut the ? . You are a fake tough sport. There is nothing "manly" or "athletic" about barreling into a defenseless player after a 90 foot headstart. If punt returners can get a fair catch signal because of the possibility of serious injury, what makes you think your league of fat ? deserves the right to do differently. And while you're at, tell your ? ass pitchers, that throwing a fastball high and up doesn't impress anyone. Especially when the point of the game is to stay in the batters box. You really want to impress us, stand on the pitchers mound and willingly get hit by a players bat before punching back. And sliding feet first into second or third isn't a "good hard play." You have spikes on you ? . All infielders should be allowed to drop a fuckn knee into a players eye, Osama style."
Thats not really true. I had a big ass argument with some people about this last year. You dont have to throw a pinch in the box for it to be a strike. That ? is all up to the umps. Some umps strike zones are bigger than others.You can throw the ball off the plate or paint the corners all day and get strikes if the umps are calling it...
And pitchers throw high fastballs cause batters stay chasing them. Especially hitters that stay lookin for the fastball because they cant hit ? else. -
the only way i see this working is if catchers have to stand in front of home plate, behind it, or straddle it nh when a runner is on his way home. the problem there is that it requires a near perfect throw from the fielder. otherwise the catcher will have to adjust his position accordingly and be putting himself in a position to be ran over. in that case i dont see how you can penalize the runner.
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Thats not really true. I had a big ass argument with some people about this last year. You dont have to throw a pinch in the box for it to be a strike. That ? is all up to the umps. Some umps strike zones are bigger than others.You can throw the ball off the plate or paint the corners all day and get strikes if the umps are calling it...
And pitchers throw high fastballs cause batters stay chasing them. Especially hitters that stay lookin for the fastball because they cant hit ? else.
Strike zone variability has nothing to do with high and up or high and in fastballs. That pitch aimed to make a batter duck or jump out the box. Its a pitch thrown specifically to rattle a batter.
I don't get it with baseball fundamentalist. Why hold on to something that just doesn't make sense? -
Strike zone variability has nothing to do with high and up or high and in fastballs. That pitch aimed to make a batter duck or jump out the box. Its a pitch thrown specifically to rattle a batter.
I don't get it with baseball fundamentalist. Why hold on to something that just doesn't make sense?
You throw a pitch up, high and in when a batters clogging the plate. You do it to get him to back off the plate, hence makin him jump out the box. Once he gets back in the box if you rattled him he will be off the plate which gives you more room to work with. Playing baseball is like playing a game of chess. I know a lot of ? dont like to get into it but its all about strategy.
