when did lebron get a 20 ppg scorer on his team as opposed to jordan getting one?
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"all"? ? my only point was 6 rings > 0
i havent admitted when im wrong, cause i have ? tendencies...
We all see your silly attempts and wrong info trying to suck off jordan with your spacejammer tactics -
Carlos Loozer wrote: »We all see your silly attempts and wrong info trying to suck off jordan with your spacejammer tactics
it's not sucking off ? , it's evidence. like i said once lebron out does jordan he is the goat...until then, ? outta here with that "? hasn't won it all...but he won a season quicker, he da goat" type ? ... -
Carlos Loozer wrote: »But what about kareem? Exactly. Jordan was playing in the expansion era, shooting over jeff hornacek and dan marjle.
but a lot of those players jordan was facing spent 3 or 4 years in college learning under big time coaches that wouldn't let you play if you didn't play defense and understand the game...they were really fundamentally sound and had high basketball IQs
now a lot of 'stars' you see as being good are just athletes hyped up by the NBA and ESPN that never really learned to play the game and become predictable -
Carlos Loozer wrote: »You're angry boy, all of your ? got proved wrong. If you dont know the facts then you shouldn't be in threads speaking making ? assertions.
http://community.allhiphop.com/showthread.php?134145-Kareem-abdul-jabbar-was-not-only-more-dominant-than-jordan-but-more-revolutionary
read that thread for the facts and stats ? spearchucker
? gone duck the thread tho? -
whats the point of this thread again?
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Orlando Woolridge was gettin it in in 1984-1985, 23 ppg.
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? still don't know the difference between Jordan making Pippen better and them becoming a dominant force. Versus Lebron going to team up with a Finals MVP
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ptowndonte wrote: »? still don't know the difference between Jordan making Pippen better and them becoming a dominant force. Versus Lebron going to team up with a Finals MVP
? need to stop slighting pippen...jordan making pip better?? c'mon if mj had such the magic touch how come he didn't MAKE any of the ? before pip into a top 50 player?? ? is a joke ...why cant cats just say ...yo ...they both made each other better and were a necessary compliment to each other to achieve the decade of dominance they had......its ok -
More like Pippen making Jordan better. Jordan had Orlando Woolridge and didnt do ? . Pippen comes in and plays Point Forward along with guarding the opposing team's best scorer allowing Jordan to ballhog on offenseptowndonte wrote: »? still don't know the difference between Jordan making Pippen better and them becoming a dominant force. Versus Lebron going to team up with a Finals MVP -
Only on the IC will ? try to discredit MJ somehow
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Dizzel3000 wrote: »whats the point of this thread again?
It's one of many Lebron ? riding threads......this is like Vol. VI........I think.... -
How do you have 60 plus wins and #1 seeds and not have a team.....and still lose. yet have so many ? saying you never had team?
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ptowndonte wrote: »? still don't know the difference between Jordan making Pippen better and them becoming a dominant force. Versus Lebron going to team up with a Finals MVP
Oh so Jordan MADE Pippen a top 50 ALL TIME NBA PLAYER???? You ? are ? , making another player is adding a point or two to their season avg, nobody can make you a HOF or a TOP 50 all time. -
How do you have 60 plus wins and #1 seeds and not have a team.....and still lose. yet have so many ? saying you never had team?
What is that teams record without Bron? -
smh... cats must not know that bulls team was full of coke addicts and ?
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What is that teams record without Bron?
Whats that got to do with the team with him? They still won 60 plus games. AND NEVER WON..... -
? are forgetting MJ wasnt winning with Pip at first.... he came in the 87-88 season didnt win till 91
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Whats that got to do with the team with him? They still won 60 plus games. AND NEVER WON.....
It means that team was garbage...just like AI...he went to the finals with a garbage ass team...stuck with them until he was past his prime and now look at him. No chips, bumming around and not getting a run. Lebron saw that and moved on. -
? are forgetting MJ wasnt winning with Pip at first.... he came in the 87-88 season didnt win till 91
Pippen was getting better every year...17 pts/game in 90/91, 21 pts/game in 91/92, 18 pts game in 91/92, 22 pts game in 92/93
Show me ONE player on the Cavs 8 year run with Bron that averaged 20pts a game every year....You keep getting sonned with stats and facts in each and every thread you start with your ? in. -
Pippen was getting better every year...17 pts/game in 90/91, 21 pts/game in 91/92, 18 pts game in 91/92, 22 pts game in 92/93
Show me ONE player on the Cavs 8 year run with Bron that averaged 20pts a game every year....You keep getting sonned with stats and facts in each and every thread you start with your ? in.
Nodody is getting sonned ya'll pom poms are on too tight...
Antawn Jamison was an 20 ppg scorer at a point. You acting like Mike brown didnt have more to do with who was scoring on the team than the players themselves. ? was designed that was and Mike brown was a horrible Offensive coach. Lebron was the focal point of the offense. Hes played with players that were allstars at various point.. -
These are the stats from Cleveland last year. with lebron.
Rk Player Age G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 LeBron James 25 76 76 39.0 10.1 20.1 .503 1.7 5.1 .333 7.8 10.2 .767 0.9 6.4 7.3 8.6 1.6 1.0 3.4 1.6 29.7
2 Antawn Jamison 33 25 23 32.4 6.5 13.4 .485 1.1 3.2 .342 1.7 3.3 .506 1.5 6.2 7.7 1.3 1.1 0.5 1.2 2.7 15.8
3 Mo Williams 27 69 68 34.2 5.5 12.4 .442 2.3 5.4 .429 2.6 2.9 .894 0.4 2.6 3.0 5.3 1.0 0.3 2.5 2.5 15.8
4 Shaquille O'Neal 37 53 53 23.4 4.9 8.7 .566 0.0 0.0 .000 2.1 4.3 .496 1.8 4.9 6.7 1.5 0.3 1.2 2.0 3.2 12.0
5 Sebastian Telfair 24 4 0 19.3 4.0 8.8 .457 0.5 2.3 .222 1.3 1.5 .833 0.0 1.0 1.0 3.0 0.5 0.0 1.5 1.5 9.8
6 Delonte West 26 60 3 25.0 3.2 7.3 .445 0.4 1.3 .325 1.9 2.4 .810 0.5 2.3 2.8 3.3 0.9 0.5 1.5 1.4 8.8
7 Anderson Varejao 27 76 7 28.5 3.5 6.1 .572 0.0 0.1 .200 1.5 2.3 .663 2.5 5.1 7.6 1.1 0.9 0.9 0.9 2.9 8.6
8 J.J. Hickson 21 81 73 20.9 3.6 6.4 .554 0.0 0.0 .000 1.4 2.0 .681 1.4 3.6 4.9 0.5 0.4 0.5 1.1 1.6 8.5
9 Zydrunas Ilgauskas 34 64 6 20.9 3.0 6.8 .443 0.2 0.4 .478 1.2 1.6 .743 1.8 3.6 5.4 0.8 0.2 0.8 1.0 2.9 7.4
10 Anthony Parker 34 81 81 28.3 2.5 5.9 .434 1.3 3.2 .414 0.9 1.2 .789 0.4 2.5 2.9 1.9 0.8 0.2 0.9 1.9 7.3
11 Daniel Gibson 23 56 10 19.1 2.2 4.8 .466 1.3 2.7 .477 0.6 0.9 .694 0.2 1.1 1.3 1.3 0.4 0.1 0.6 1.4 6.3
Lebron was the ballhog, but plenty of people got to score. It was more wide open and they didnt have to funnel every shot to two or 3 players...they won 60 games.....stop giving dudes a pass for failures....He supposed to be the best in the league, and he did have help he didnt do it alone. No player wins 60 games alone -
Nodody is getting sonned ya'll pom poms are on too tight...
Antawn Jamison was an 20 ppg scorer at a point. You acting like Mike brown didnt have more to do with who was scoring on the team than the players themselves. ? was designed that was and Mike brown was a horrible Offensive coach. Lebron was the focal point of the offense. Hes played with players that were allstars at various point..
LMAO!! ? at one point George Milikan was also an allstar...shut the ? up...now its all kinds of excuses...the fact is A 34 YEAR OLD Antwon Jameison had his 2nd highest FG% IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER (.485) the year he played with Bron. So miss me with that Bron was a ball hog ? ...the ? . Now your bringing in Mike Brown...? your pathetic.
SMH...this ? actually tried to compare a 34 year old Antwon Jamieson to Pippen in his prime...? outta here...you stay getting humiliated. -
Carlos Loozer wrote: »
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It's funny the dumb ? ya'll come up with sometimes. So what argument are you trying to make exactly? Are you trying to say that since MJ got another 20+ scorer on his team earlier in his career that he had more help. You dudes are so simpleminded and your horrible usage of stats is just laughable. Let me use your own numbers to show you just how easy it is to make the opposite argument.
Ok, now MJ had a 20+ pt helper, but a team is more than just two people. The average ppg for one of MJ's teammates the year shown above is 7.28. The average ppg for one of Lebron's teammates the year shown above is 11.08. So yeah, MJ had one player on his team that scored over 20, but on average Lebron's teammates were significantly more productive.
But hey, since MJ had a person on his team scoring 20+ pts, that means he had to carry less of the load right. Well MJ scored 23% of the pts on his team that year. Lebron only scored 13.6% of his team's pts. So even with someone on his team making 20+pts MJ was still stuck doing more heavy lifting than Lebron.
Pts aren't everything, so let's look a the two other major stats: rebs and asts.
Rebounds
Bulls: 3.58 per teammate Jordan: 12% of team total
Cavs: 4.65 per teammate Lebron: 8.9% of team total
Assists
Bulls: 3.3 per teammate Jordan: 12% of team total
Cavs: 2.2 per teammate Jordan: 17.9 % of team total
So being fair, Lebron's teammates weren't as good at assisting each other as MJ's, but considering Lebron basically played a point forward, that's not surprising that he'd have a larger percentage of the teams assists. However, the Cavs were clearly better scorers and rebounders than the Bulls. On top of that, the best rebounder and assister from either team were both teammates of Lebron. So really, who had the better teammates? -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »It's funny the dumb ? ya'll come up with sometimes. So what argument are you trying to make exactly? Are you trying to say that since MJ got another 20+ scorer on his team earlier in his career that he had more help. You dudes are so simpleminded and your horrible usage of stats is just laughable. Let me use your own numbers to show you just how easy it is to make the opposite argument.
Ok, now MJ had a 20+ pt helper, but a team is more than just two people. The average ppg for one of MJ's teammates the year shown above is 7.28. The average ppg for one of Lebron's teammates the year shown above is 11.08. So yeah, MJ had one player on his team that scored over 20, but on average Lebron's teammates were significantly more productive.
But hey, since MJ had a person on his team scoring 20+ pts, that means he had to carry less of the load right. Well MJ scored 23% of the pts on his team that year. Lebron only scored 13.6% of his team's pts. So even with someone on his team making 20+pts MJ was still stuck doing more heavy lifting than Lebron.
Pts aren't everything, so let's look a the two other major stats: rebs and asts.
Rebounds
Bulls: 3.58 per teammate Jordan: 12% of team total
Cavs: 4.65 per teammate Lebron: 8.9% of team total
Assists
Bulls: 3.3 per teammate Jordan: 12% of team total
Cavs: 2.2 per teammate Jordan: 17.9 % of team total
So being fair, Lebron's teammates weren't as good at assisting each other as MJ's, but considering Lebron basically played a point forward, that's not surprising that he'd have a larger percentage of the teams assists. However, the Cavs were clearly better scorers and rebounders than the Bulls. On top of that, the best rebounder and assister from either team were both teammates of Lebron. So really, who had the better teammates?
Ummm Jordan didn't win anything with this team (84-85) that your referencing, so it's a moot point. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »It's funny the dumb ? ya'll come up with sometimes. So what argument are you trying to make exactly? Are you trying to say that since MJ got another 20+ scorer on his team earlier in his career that he had more help. You dudes are so simpleminded and your horrible usage of stats is just laughable. Let me use your own numbers to show you just how easy it is to make the opposite argument.
Ok, now MJ had a 20+ pt helper, but a team is more than just two people. The average ppg for one of MJ's teammates the year shown above is 7.28. The average ppg for one of Lebron's teammates the year shown above is 11.08. So yeah, MJ had one player on his team that scored over 20, but on average Lebron's teammates were significantly more productive.
But hey, since MJ had a person on his team scoring 20+ pts, that means he had to carry less of the load right. Well MJ scored 23% of the pts on his team that year. Lebron only scored 13.6% of his team's pts. So even with someone on his team making 20+pts MJ was still stuck doing more heavy lifting than Lebron.
Pts aren't everything, so let's look a the two other major stats: rebs and asts.
Rebounds
Bulls: 3.58 per teammate Jordan: 12% of team total
Cavs: 4.65 per teammate Lebron: 8.9% of team total
Assists
Bulls: 3.3 per teammate Jordan: 12% of team total
Cavs: 2.2 per teammate Jordan: 17.9 % of team total
So being fair, Lebron's teammates weren't as good at assisting each other as MJ's, but considering Lebron basically played a point forward, that's not surprising that he'd have a larger percentage of the teams assists. However, the Cavs were clearly better scorers and rebounders than the Bulls. On top of that, the best rebounder and assister from either team were both teammates of Lebron. So really, who had the better teammates?
Damn good post sir... damn good post
