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I was thinkin who are 5 underrated players throughout the course of NBA history that dont get the credit they deserve. These In my opinion are the 5 most underrated NBA players of all-time not in any order

1) Mitch Richmond- a 5 time all-star winning the all-star MVP in 95 with over 20,000 points over 1300 3 pointers made Rookie of the year award winner 22 ppg a game an all-nba member 6 times nd eventually won a championship for the Lakers in 02. Richmond had a smooth game nd he kinda reminds me of a better version of Joe Johnson. IMO he was better then Reggie Miller nd deserved more shine.

2) Alex English- From the tapes i seen dude was a scoring machine scoring over 20,000 points in a single decade and finishing with over 25,000 for his career. An 8 time all-star, 3 time all-NBA member, and 1 time scoring champion seemed to be overshadowed by more athletic 2 guards.

3) Kevin Johnson- I imagine if this talented athletic slashing point guard woulda put up more numbers in todays game? He had 6 seasons of averaging 20 ppg without having a strong 3 point shot. This 3 time all-star woulda flourished way better in this day and age.

4) Paul Pierce- Coming through considered too unathletic for the transitioning fast paced league Pierce using footwork nd craftiness was one of the most effective scorers of this past decade one of the most complete games of any player in the league. He has over 21,000 points in a career with a few more years left this 9 time all star 1 time finals MVP, and 4 time all NBA member has a special knack of scoring thats been taken for granted

5) Tim Hardaway- This quick explosive flashy guard is overlooked during a time period full of great guards. This 5 time all-star 5 time all NBA member had 5 seasons of averaging over 20 ppg and 2 of those he averaged over 10 assits imo hes held back because he didnt win a championship.

So who's you're top 5 as far as underrated players in NBA history and does anyone disagree wit anyone on my list??
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  • CoolJoe
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    Mitch Richmond won a Finals MVP in 95?
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  • BlackAX410
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    CoolJoe wrote: »
    Mitch Richmond won a Finals MVP in 95?

    lmao damn thanks for pointing that out bruh i meant to say all-star i was just lookin at 2 different thingss
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  • Darius
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    Throwed Off Axel wrote: »
    I was thinkin who are 5 underrated players throughout the course of NBA history that dont get the credit they deserve. These In my opinion are the 5 most underrated NBA players of all-time not in any order

    1) Mitch Richmond- a 5 time all-star winning the finals MVP in 95 with over 20,000 points over 1300 3 pointers made Rookie of the year award winner 22 ppg a game an all-nba member 6 times nd eventually won a championship for the Lakers in 02. Richmond had a smooth game nd he kinda reminds me of a better version of Joe Johnson. IMO he was better then Reggie Miller nd deserved more shine.

    2) Alex English- From the tapes i seen dude was a scoring machine scoring over 20,000 points in a single decade and finishing with over 25,000 for his career. An 8 time all-star, 3 time all-NBA member, and 1 time scoring champion seemed to be overshadowed by more athletic 2 guards.

    3) Kevin Johnson- I imagine if this talented athletic slashing point guard woulda put up more numbers in todays game? He had 6 seasons of averaging 20 ppg without having a strong 3 point shot. This 3 time all-star woulda flourished way better in this day and age.

    4) Paul Pierce- Coming through considered too unathletic for the transitioning fast paced league Pierce using footwork nd craftiness was one of the most effective scorers of this past decade one of the most complete games of any player in the league. He has over 21,000 points in a career with a few more years left this 9 time all star 1 time finals MVP, and 4 time all NBA member has a special knack of scoring thats been taken for granted

    5) Tim Hardaway- This quick explosive flashy guard is overlooked during a time period full of great guards. This 5 time all-star 5 time all NBA member had 5 seasons of averaging over 20 ppg and 2 of those he averaged over 10 assits imo hes held back because he didnt win a championship.

    So who's you're top 5 as far as underrated players in NBA history and does anyone disagree wit anyone on my list??

    this is entire list isn't even opinion. it is a fact. the fact is it should be the starting point for the next "dumb things people say in the cheap seats thread"

    all five guys are multiple all-stars and most are multiple all-nba players- thats a far cry from being underrated.
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    matt- wrote: »
    this is entire list isn't even opinion. it is a fact. the fact is it should be the starting point for the next "dumb things people say in the cheap seats thread"

    all five guys are multiple all-stars and most are multiple all-nba players- thats a far cry from being underrated.
    nah thing is tho none of these guys get the credit they deserve period you always hear about guys who aint as good get more shine then these guys i was just giving reasons on why they're underrated to the extent they are nd wat not nah mean
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    Throwed Off Axel wrote: »
    nah thing is tho none of these guys get the credit they deserve period you always hear about guys who aint as good get more shine then these guys i was just giving reasons on why they're underrated to the extent they are nd wat not nah mean

    how is being voted into all star games and being named to all-nba teams not getting respect they deserve?
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    matt- wrote: »
    how is being voted into all star games and being named to all-nba teams not getting respect they deserve?

    im just lookin at it from the casual fan prespective usually ? start choppin it up bout hoops nd some names get slam ignored nah mean so thats where the thread idea came for. I had an opinion on who were underrated players who dont get talked about around the masses nd ? like that nd showed facts on why i felt that way nd wanted to see wat other names posters could throw in this muthafucka
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    Throwed Off Axel wrote: »
    im just lookin at it from the casual fan prespective usually ? start choppin it up bout hoops nd some names get slam ignored nah mean so thats where the thread idea came for. I had an opinion on who were underrated players who dont get talked about around the masses nd ? like that nd showed facts on why i felt that way nd wanted to see wat other names posters could throw in this muthafucka

    i see what you are sayin, but just b/c they may not get as much mention from the ? choppin it up, it doesn't mean they are underrated, it just means the ? choppin it up dont watch basketball.
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  • BlackAX410
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    matt- wrote: »
    i see what you are sayin, but just b/c they may not get as much mention from the ? choppin it up, it doesn't mean they are underrated, it just means the ? choppin it up dont watch basketball.

    smfh anyway matt do u feel anyone is underrated??
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  • Darius
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    Throwed Off Axel wrote: »
    smfh anyway matt do u feel anyone is underrated??

    not really. i think its one of the worst, most overused terms in sports and it carries no real meaning
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    matt- wrote: »
    not really. i think its one of the worst, most overused terms in sports and it carries no real meaning

    Gilbert Arenas said the same ? on twitter he felt the media dictates who fans feel is overrated nd underrated i can see wat u sayin tho
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    Throwed Off Axel wrote: »
    Gilbert Arenas said the same ? on twitter he felt the media dictates who fans feel is overrated nd underrated i can see wat u sayin tho

    yeah, Gilbert is a smart dude forreal. he acts a fool but his level of intellect is mad underrated
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    matt- wrote: »
    yeah, Gilbert is a smart dude forreal. he acts a fool but his level of intellect is mad underrated

    lls nah dude be snappin on his twitter account he even tweeted that he was in special ed and loved it cuz of the strawberry milk they got
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    Throwed Off Axel wrote: »
    lls nah dude be snappin on his twitter account he even tweeted that he was in special ed and loved it cuz of the strawberry milk they got

    he's way overrating strawberry milk
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    matt- wrote: »
    he's way overrating strawberry milk

    yea that ? is gross last time i ? some i threw up out of a moving bus window
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    Throwed Off Axel wrote: »
    I was thinkin who are 5 underrated players throughout the course of NBA history that dont get the credit they deserve. These In my opinion are the 5 most underrated NBA players of all-time not in any order

    1) Mitch Richmond- a 5 time all-star winning the all-star MVP in 95 with over 20,000 points over 1300 3 pointers made Rookie of the year award winner 22 ppg a game an all-nba member 6 times nd eventually won a championship for the Lakers in 02. Richmond had a smooth game nd he kinda reminds me of a better version of Joe Johnson. IMO he was better then Reggie Miller nd deserved more shine.

    2) Alex English- From the tapes i seen dude was a scoring machine scoring over 20,000 points in a single decade and finishing with over 25,000 for his career. An 8 time all-star, 3 time all-NBA member, and 1 time scoring champion seemed to be overshadowed by more athletic 2 guards.

    3) Kevin Johnson- I imagine if this talented athletic slashing point guard woulda put up more numbers in todays game? He had 6 seasons of averaging 20 ppg without having a strong 3 point shot. This 3 time all-star woulda flourished way better in this day and age.

    4) Paul Pierce- Coming through considered too unathletic for the transitioning fast paced league Pierce using footwork nd craftiness was one of the most effective scorers of this past decade one of the most complete games of any player in the league. He has over 21,000 points in a career with a few more years left this 9 time all star 1 time finals MVP, and 4 time all NBA member has a special knack of scoring thats been taken for granted

    5) Tim Hardaway- This quick explosive flashy guard is overlooked during a time period full of great guards. This 5 time all-star 5 time all NBA member had 5 seasons of averaging over 20 ppg and 2 of those he averaged over 10 assits imo hes held back because he didnt win a championship.

    So who's you're top 5 as far as underrated players in NBA history and does anyone disagree wit anyone on my list??

    I was gonna come in here and say these 2...2 of my all-time favorites. When I played sports, I wore the number 2 because of these katz, because their game was highly slept-on (just like mine)
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  • G.R.I.P. Money $$$
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    hell no strawberry milk da goat...
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  • BlackAX410
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    f.e.d.s. wrote: »
    I was gonna come in here and say these 2...2 of my all-time favorites. When I played sports, I wore the number 2 because of these katz, because their game was highly slept-on (just like mine)

    yea thanx for comin in here contributing i just think they aint get shine cuz they weren't flashy
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    I remember that Denver squad with Alex English, dude was the ? bizness, 6'7'' and had that butter J, ? was sick. That whole Denver squad was nice during the mid 80's
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    king hassan wrote: »
    I remember that Denver squad with Alex English, dude was the ? bizness, 6'7'' and had that butter J, ? was sick. That whole Denver squad was nice during the mid 80's

    Yea I heard him Kiki Vandeghwe (spell check) and Fat Lever that team was pretty good since u seen him play why do you think Alex English never got more shine??
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    Throwed Off Axel wrote: »
    Yea I heard him Kiki Vandeghwe (spell check) and Fat Lever that team was pretty good since u seen him play why do you think Alex English never got more shine??
    Kiki was a monster, Fat Lever was nice as hell too, and they had Calvin Natt and Wayne Cooper and lil Micheal Adams. But they were in Denver and Denver is a small market. And you have to look at the superstars of the time. I remember when they had that shootout with Detroit, I think they scored almost a 170 points apeice, just going off memory though
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    Highest Scoring Game Ever

    by John Maxwell

    When it comes to discussions of unbreakable NBA records, the combined 370 points scored in the Pistons’ [URL="javascript:openPopup('http://www.nba.com/pistons/video/player.html?top50_17', 320, 400)"]186-184 triple-overtime win[/URL] over the Denver Nuggets on Dec. 13, 1983, has to be pretty high on the list. Considering that the average NBA game today features about half that many points, the record books probably won’t have to be altered anytime soon.
    Given the gaudy point totals, one can safely assume that these were not your Bad Boys-era Pistons. It wasn’t until later in the decade that Detroit established itself as a dominant defensive force. But in 1983, Detroit could get up and down with the best of them, scoring 117.1 points per game - the third-highest average in the league. Doug Moe’s Denver Nuggets of the 1980s were among the league leaders in scoring for years, and the 1983-84 season was no different: 123.7 points per game, best in the league.
    So if two teams were going to drop 180 points on each another, the Pistons and the Nuggets certainly had the street cred to pull it off. “At that time, if you go to Denver you know you’re going to be in for a scoring match,” said forward Kelly Tripucka. “They didn’t run a lot of plays, they just kept running. We knew we had to play a certain way with them.” It was a lot of running - and a run of incredible luck - that produced this spectacular exhibition.
    In the early going, there was nothing to suggest that the 9,655 fans in attendance at McNichols Arena were witnessing history. The 74-74 halftime tie was a hefty total, to be sure, but when you consider that the Nuggets and their opponents scored 140 or more points in a game 14 times the previous season, media members weren’t exactly shouting “stop the presses” from their courtside seats. The Pistons led by five at the end of three quarters, but trailed, 145-142, with seconds remaining in regulation. Bill Laimbeer was fouled, and after making the first free throw, intentionally missed the second. Isiah Thomas tipped in the errant rebound, sending the game into overtime.
    Incredibly, the Pistons actually left points on the court. Had they managed to shoot their season average at the foul line, 74.2 percent, Detroit would have won in regulation. Instead, they connected on just 61.6 percent (37-of-60) of their freebies on the night.
    Current NBA Records Set on Dec. 13, 1983
    Second-best mark in italics    Most points scored by two teams - 370
    337, Milwaukee at San Antonio (3OT), 3/6/82
    Most points scored by one team - 186, Detroit
    184, Denver (same game)
    Most points scored by a losing team - 184, Denver
    166, Milwaukee (at San Antonio, 3OT), 3/6/82
    Most field goals by two teams - 142
    136, Milwaukee at San Antonio (3OT), 3/6/82
    Most field goals by one team - 74, Detroit
    72, Boston vs. Minneapolis, 2/27/59
    Most assists by two teams - 93
    90, Rochester vs. Minneapolis, 1/23/57 Most players in one game with 40+ points - 4
    Entering the first overtime, nothing extraordinary appeared to be happening. The 290 points the teams scored in regulation were 26 off the NBA record at the time. That went to the 316 points put up by Wilt Chamberlain’s Philadelphia Warriors in a 169-147 win over the New York Knicks on Mar. 2, 1962 - the night Wilt scored 100 points.
    Detroit trailed by five before closing out the first overtime on a 7-2 run. The late surge was completed by Thomas, who connected on the Pistons’ lone 3-pointer of the night - yes, of Detroit’s league-record 186 points, only three came from beyond the arc. That bucket also broke the combined scoring record as the teams took 318 points into the second overtime.
    Tripucka owned the second OT, scoring all 12 Pistons points. Apparently, he was eager to end the game. “The game lasted so long, we were wondering if we could find a place to eat after the game,” he said. “We were wondering, ‘is there an all-night diner in Denver?’ ” The Nuggets kept Tripucka and the Pistons hungry, forcing a third overtime tied at 171. Detroit finally edged ahead before a late Denver 3-pointer completed the 186-184 masterpiece.
    In all, 12 players scored in double figures - Thomas (47), John Long (41), Tripucka (35), Terry Tyler (18), Laimbeer (17), and Vinnie Johnson (12) for Detroit and Kiki Vandeweghe (51), Alex English (47), Dan Issel (28), Mike Evans (16), Richard Anderson (13), and Danny Schayes (11) for the Nuggets. The teams combined to shoot a remarkable 56.6 percent from the field en route to a league-record 142 field goals.
    The Nuggets and Pistons have been asked about that game over the years, and the reflections from both sides have been similar. “Everybody was just flowing,” English told ESPN.com’s Eric Neel. “It seemed like nobody could miss a shot.” Johnson remembers the game felt like “a summer league game, no defense at all . . . It was run and gun from the start.”
    So can the record be broken? It’s certainly possible. Just last season, the Phoenix Suns and New Jersey Nets combined to score 318 points in a double-overtime game - good enough for No. 4 on the list. But that’s still 52 points off the mark, and games that reach three or four overtimes - the game length necessary to break the mark, in all likelihood - are pretty rare. The longest NBA game in the shot-clock era was on Nov. 9, 1989, when the Milwaukee Bucks defeated the Seattle Supersonics, 155-154. Before that, in 1951, the Indianapolis Olympians topped the Rochester Royals in a record six overtimes, 75-73. So it might happen in our lifetime, but it will take a perfect storm of offensive-minded teams and bonus basketball to make it happen. As Thomas said in Steve Addy’s book, Four Decades of Motor City Memories,“It might be a while before it happens, but in the NBA, you’re always going to see something phenomenal, something that just boggles your mind.”

    A look at the official Nuggets score sheet:
    boxscore_nuggets.jpg

    A look at the official Pistons score sheet:
    boxscore_pistons.jpg they were balling
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  • Darius
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    Xavier McDaniel
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    matt- wrote: »
    Xavier McDaniel
    A straight killer out of Witchita St. Him, Dale Ellis, Tom Chambers and Nate McMillan, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, that was a scoring ass team too
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  • Darius
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    Yeah Dale Ellis was no joke
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    king hassan wrote: »
    Kiki was a monster, Fat Lever was nice as hell too, and they had Calvin Natt and Wayne Cooper and lil Micheal Adams. But they were in Denver and Denver is a small market. And you have to look at the superstars of the time. I remember when they had that shootout with Detroit, I think they scored almost a 170 points apeice, just going off memory though

    Damn that game woulda been fun to watch foreal nd i see wat ur sayin about the market nd wat not
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