Agree or Disagree: Jay-Z and Kanye have the same number of classics

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  • Kame
    Kame Members Posts: 24,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    shenco wrote: »
    What? I'm just talking about awards. I ? with both graduation and mbdtf, but they def not classics. Maybe personal classics to you, but not a classic in general from what I see

    No such thing as an instant classic
    I did say give it time
    I still think its his best album..
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  • idoitforhiphop10
    idoitforhiphop10 Members Posts: 5,973 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    shenco wrote: »
    Jay Z only has 1 classic and it's The Blueprint? Only on the IC man

    That's what im sayin.
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  • idoitforhiphop10
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    KingdomKame wrote: »
    No such thing as an instant classic
    I did say give it time
    I still think its his best album..

    That's why RD wasn't considered a classic in 1996. Classic take time to marinate and make a impact. That's why everybodies arguement about it not bein popular in '96 is irrelevant.
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  • MAKAVELI25
    MAKAVELI25 Members Posts: 5,595 ✭✭✭✭
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    shenco wrote: »
    Jay Z only has 1 classic and it's The Blueprint? Only on the IC man

    TBA just has too many great songs: "Encore", "My 1st song", "PSA", "Problems", "What More Can I say", "Moments of Clarity", and thats just all I remember off head. Great ? album
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  • MAKAVELI25
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    idoitforhiphop10 wrote: »
    That's why RD wasn't considered a classic in 1996. Classic take time to marinate and make a impact. That's why everybodies arguement about it not bein popular in '96 is irrelevant.

    Na, man, AEOM was praised upon release, so were LAD, Illmatic, The Blueprint, ? , and GODT. If Jay had faded out after releasing RD, it would NOT be considered a classic. Yes, it's his best album lyrically, but it just doesn't belong in a room with joints like "The Chronic", "College Dropout", or "Ready 2 Die".
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  • idoitforhiphop10
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    MAKAVELI25 wrote: »
    Na, man, AEOM was praised upon release, so were LAD, Illmatic, The Blueprint, ? , and GODT. If Jay had faded out after releasing RD, it would NOT be considered a classic. Yes, it's his best album lyrically, but it just doesn't belong in a room with joints like "The Chronic", "College Dropout", or "Ready 2 Die".

    most of those albums you mentioned didn't even recieve 5 mics wen they first dropped. except illmatic . and let's keep it real, they only rated LAD 5 mics becuz Big died rite wen the album came out. Same wit all eyez on me. It wasn't till a source reissue that they rated AEOM 5 mics.
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  • semi-auto-mato
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    MAKAVELI25 wrote: »
    Complete co-sign. By today's standards RD is a great album. When it came out it was so-so
    it was so - so? why because it didnt go platinum when it first came out?
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  • DMTxTHC
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    idoitforhiphop10 wrote: »
    That's why RD wasn't considered a classic in 1996. Classic take time to marinate and make a impact. That's why everybodies arguement about it not bein popular in '96 is irrelevant.

    If RD is a classic then other 96 albums such as Legal Drug Money, IWW, and Hell on Earth are classics, because RD is no better than those albums to this day. Plus RD didn't have the impact on the Hip-Hop scene that most albums that are considered classics have. RD is only a considered a classic because Jay-Z is considered one of the GOATs.
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  • MAKAVELI25
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    semi-auto-mato wrote: »
    it was so - so? why because it didnt go platinum when it first came out?

    Rate it by the standards of albums that came out in 96 like AEOM, "It was Written", "Ironman", "The Score", "Hell on Earth", and The Roots album (forgot the name), you still calling it a classic?
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  • idoitforhiphop10
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    DMTxCannabis wrote: »
    If RD is a classic then other 96 albums such as Legal Drug Money, IWW, and Hell on Earth are classics, because RD is no better than those albums to this day. Plus RD didn't have the impact on the Hip-Hop scene that most albums that are considered classics have. RD is only a considered a classic because Jay-Z is considered one of the GOATs.

    i wouldn't argue these being classics too.
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  • semi-auto-mato
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    MAKAVELI25 wrote: »
    Rate it by the standards of albums that came out in 96 like AEOM, "It was Written", "Ironman", "The Score", "Hell on Earth", and The Roots album (forgot the name), you still calling it a classic?

    abso-? -lutely...dawg i owned everyone of the albums u just named except aeom (i had a east coast bias) and none got more play than reasonable doubt. right now, today, this minute, this second i still feel reasonable doubt is better than all of them just like i did when it came out in 96.
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  • illogics
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    MAKAVELI25 wrote: »
    and The Roots album (forgot the name)
    ........lol, ? man.
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  • MAKAVELI25
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    illogics wrote: »
    ........lol, ? man.

    So it wasn't a better album than "Reasonable Doubt"?
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  • illogics
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    MAKAVELI25 wrote: »
    So it wasn't a better album than "Reasonable Doubt"?

    ? you don't even know what "IT" was called. You just throwin names out. Off top you can name more songs and recite more verses off "THAT" album than reasonable doubt?
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  • MAKAVELI25
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    illogics wrote: »
    ? you don't even know what "IT" was called. You just throwin names out. Off top you can name more songs and recite more verses off "THAT" album than reasonable doubt?

    I haven't listened to the album in years, but I'm not some idiot who would mention something just for the sake of mentioning it. I haven't heard RD in years either, but even if I did forget, it's mentioned here like EVERYDAY.
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  • illogics
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    MAKAVELI25 wrote: »
    I haven't listened to the album in years, but I'm not some idiot who would mention something just for the sake of mentioning it. I haven't heard RD in years either, but even if I did forget, it's mentioned here like EVERYDAY.

    Can you answer the question tho?
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  • MAKAVELI25
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    illogics wrote: »
    Can you answer the question tho?

    I can't recite any lyrics off of either album, I don't see your point. I'm not even that type of fan, I know the lyrics to like 3 songs in total and they are all 2Pac songs
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  • illogics
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    MAKAVELI25 wrote: »
    I can't recite any lyrics off of either album, I don't see your point. I'm not even that type of fan, I know the lyrics to like 3 songs in total and they are all 2Pac songs

    lol, aight fam.
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  • semi-auto-mato
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    MAKAVELI25 wrote: »
    I can't recite any lyrics off of either album, I don't see your point. I'm not even that type of fan, I know the lyrics to like 3 songs in total and they are all 2Pac songs

    if u only know lyrics to 3 songs than ur not a hip hop fan. how can u talk classics?
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  • idoitforhiphop10
    idoitforhiphop10 Members Posts: 5,973 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MAKAVELI25 wrote: »
    I can't recite any lyrics off of either album, I don't see your point. I'm not even that type of fan, I know the lyrics to like 3 songs in total and they are all 2Pac songs

    i can.........
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  • c.b.b.
    c.b.b. Members Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭✭
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    MAKAVELI25 wrote: »
    I like "Graduation" but I think "Barry Bonds" and "? N Hot girls" take it out of the CLASSIC category

    Thank You!

    A former co-worker of mine said I was crazy when I said the same thing.

    I think Jay Z has three (Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint (even though it had "Jigga That ? " on it), & Black Album).

    IMO Kanye has two (CD & LR). Graduation was good, but not classic IMO. MBDTF was good, but I'd give it a 4/5.
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  • MAKAVELI25
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    semi-auto-mato wrote: »
    if u only know lyrics to 3 songs than ur not a hip hop fan. how can u talk classics?

    Because I've listened to all the classics, but I'm not the type of dude who can listen to a song over and over and just memorize the lyrics. I've listened to AEOM dozens of times but I couldn't recite song lyrics if you paid me. It's why I don't make quotables thread (unless to mock Big Sean)
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  • MAKAVELI25
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    idoitforhiphop10 wrote: »
    i can.........

    Well, you're clearly a WINNER
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  • illogics
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    edited July 2011
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    Straight Foolishness
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  • idoitforhiphop10
    idoitforhiphop10 Members Posts: 5,973 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MAKAVELI25 wrote: »
    Well, you're clearly a WINNER

    lol u know i had to throw dat in there bruh.
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