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  • kingblaze84
    kingblaze84 Members Posts: 14,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Just2C wrote: »
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/21/1028596/-16-Things-Libyans-Will-Never-See-Again

    Future Libyans may look back and thank America, Britain and France for freeing them from that evil socialist Moammar Gadhafi. Now like us they will know all the benefits and wonders of the “free market”. In Gadhafi’s Libya:

    1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
    2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
    3. Home considered a human right in Libya
    4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family. Is this what you call a dictator Traditional wedding in Tripoli, Libya
    5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
    6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms are all for free.
    7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it is not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance.
    8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.
    9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
    10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion are now frozen globally.
    11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
    12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
    13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000 14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
    15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree
    16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.

    Add to the above Women were full and equal participants in Libyan society. Under the ultra religious fanatics (we backed) out of Benghazi women will at best become second class citizens or at worse, property.

    “Charley Wilson’s war” all over again!

    Agreed, Gaddafi was no angel; but compare him to what our government has done in our name in Vietnam, Central and South America, the Middle East and (soon to come) Africa he sure looks like something other than the two dimensional bad guy our corporate media is working overtime to make him.
    The greatest treat to their global “free market” is someone who invest their countries natural resources and wealth back into their people. The worlds “middle men” (International bankers, Goldman Sacs….) require “host” to continue the parasitical existence. Watch your back Hugo Chavez!

    What you don’t know about Gadaffi:

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    Imperialism and Resources?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/...

    Raw Data on Life under Gaddaffi:

    http://web.worldbank.org/...




    If it was so bad over there where was these "rebels" a year ago?

    Breathtaking ? you posted here. Props, and America gets 2 trillion a year from tax revenue, why can't we take care of our own the way even Gadafi took care of his?? Not saying Gadafi was an angel, but damn, I wish any president in America could guarantee me housing.
  • cool amp
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    how come the queen of england aint considered a dictator? and how come the us presidency aint been considered a dictatorship? for 200 and something years on up until jesse jackson we only had one choice to vote for - WHITE!!!
  • kingblaze84
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    cool amp wrote: »
    how come the queen of england aint considered a dictator? and how come the us presidency aint been considered a dictatorship? for 200 and something years on up until jesse jackson we only had one choice to vote for - WHITE!!!

    This whole thing is politics and oil bro, nothing more. We didn't take out Gadafi to protect civilians, the west took him out so NATO could get easier access to its oil and also to prevent Gadafi from further spreading his influence in Africa and the Middle East.

    Obama has killed off many civilians as well, where is the intervention here LMAO
  • Alkindus
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    This man had atleast 144 Billion Euros lol, thats what he channeled away before he died.

    But yeah, when you live by the sword you'll die by the sword.

    Once again it's not that wise to pick sides, I'm gonna miss his rants at the AL,UN etc though lol, nobody deserves to get lynched like he did, but my guess is when people are confronted with gory videos of death and get reality up their faces they start to have pity, don't forget that he murdered people before most of us were born. People have just reasons to hate on Qadhafi, there is no need for pity, but I sincerely hope people start ? regarding that this is a win for Libya, a win for the world and that Nato operated in the name of human rights and justice....

    I think the 'west' and the rest of the world is happy that he is dead....if he would have came to the ICC in The Hague for trail as a murderous dictator, best believe he would have opened Pandora's box which would ashame most European countries based on the coworking of intel agencies and the invests he had alone and vice versa lol. I mean come on....
  • Alkindus
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    For the bro asking if it was so bad undr qadhafi, where were the rebels last year?

    It is life threatining to go against the status quo in a dictatorship, even protesting would get your azz silent, if not you, you are riskin your fams life(and this could be for simple things like, speakin your mind, all things most of us take for granted of doing/speakin). I have the upmost respect for the people that protested in Africa and the Middle east, a lot of people have risked their lifes and lost them. If you are a Yemeni right now for example or a Syrian and you join the protests....well hopefully you got a social basis/neighborhood/fam whatever peopel that got your back, cause you reached the point of no return.

    People forgetting that once you enter the streets and go against the government, there is no going back....your cause must succeed or else.....well you will a Die b get a unpleasant housecall, c die(edit ; you are riskin your life). It's not The Netherlands where you can protest and than go back to do what you want.

    So the uprisings in surrounding countries caused people to enter the streets and go against the regime, off course Libya has all the symptons of a foreign steared coupe than a fight for freedom......but still you cant be suprised at why libyans entered the streets.
  • Bully_Pulpit
    Bully_Pulpit Members Posts: 5,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    1: Gaddafi wouldn't bow down to the Rothschild banking cartel.
    2: Purposed African Satellite
    3: AMF:African Monetary Fund - No Central Bank, own currency - Bank of Investment: To control most investments in Africa
    4: United States of Africa - Gaddafi wants to unite!
    The countries that are bombing Libya are all Broke, they don't want him rising above becoming a powerful force, that is self-sufficient!!!
    5: Gaddafi was returning to a gold standard.
    6: Libya sits on Africa's largest oil and natural gas reserves.
    7: A few weeks before Libya was invaded, Gaddafi had decided to sell his oil to only Russia, China and India.

    Now that NATO and Obama has sent in "al-Qaeda rebels" and other CIA operatives to further destabilize the region by taking over the Libyan government, committing genocide against the dark skinned Africans and by setting up a new central bank, this region can now be controlled and used to further take over and destabilize Africa for the ruling elite who have been trying to depopulate the continent for decades.


    This man was doing very good things for his people. Water canals, oil sharing, going back to the Gold standard, free school, free health care, bonuses/home upon marriage, free farms, equipment and seed, and plenty of good non GMO food to eat. Now, people are eating their cats and dogs to survive! Nothing to eat, pipelines destroyed, hospitals destroyed, houses of civilians blown up, pure poverty and dismay. This is because Gaddafi was killing his people? Of course not...

    It was a CIA orchestrated killing by bringing in hired thugs to ? the Libyan people, and blame it on Gaddafi. Obama and the EU with NATO are traitors of peace and broken friendships and hand shakes. America attacks innocent countries, kills their people, steals their resources, and use depleted uranium bombs so their babies are born deformed. The Media is out to make him as evil as they possibly can in an attempt to justify all the murder and bloodshed we've brought upon Libya. Now Libya will be ? of all natural resources, and the lives of Libyans will get far worse. Few, if any Americans will never realize what has been done here.

    The N.A.T.O. psychopaths have, "so the say" killed Gaddafi....Truth or Lies, who will their next scarecrow be? The foolish citizens on the streets of Tripoli rejoice thinking they've achieved some sort of freedom when in reality all they will get is the criminal globalists and a puppet government subservient to them. Libya will be liquidated of it's gold, assets and abandoned. Infrastructures will be destroyed and resources looted. Another step toward the globalist controlled African Union. Gaddafi was obviously viewed as too independent for the globalists liking and they want him removed....and/or killed! Or is it all simply a media staged event, in attempt to pull Gaddafi out of hiding?
  • Bully_Pulpit
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    GADDAFI PLACED $97 BILLION ON TABLE TO FREE AFRICA FROM IMPERIALISM!

    Why They Want Him, Dead!

    Source: Reuters Edited By: Quoriana
    Posted: 2011/07/27


    Source: Reuters Edited By: Quoriana
    Posted: 2011/07/27

    In 2010 Gaddafi offered to invest $97 billion in Africa to free it from Western influence, on condition that African states rid themselves of corruption and nepotism. Gaddafi always dreamed of a Developed, United Africa and was about to make that dream come true - and nothing is more terrifying to the West than a Developed, United Africa.

    Here is a selection of the initiatives Libya has already put in place in Africa, as well as some of the projects it is planning, explaining why the West's illegal war against Libya also is a war against Entire Africa.

    AFRICAN UNION: Libya is one of the biggest contributors to the budget of the African Union. A Libyan diplomat told Reuters Libya is one of five countries -- the others are Algeria, Egypt, Nigeria and South Africa -- which cover 75 percent of the Union's budget. "Libya makes its full required contribution to AU funds. Not all countries do and that buys it influence," a senior African Union official said.

    MALI: For several years Mali has been confronted with the activities of the radical Islamist militia Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb in its northern deserts. Gaddafi’s money and diplomacy have helped to resolve conflicts in northern Mali between rebels and the government. In 2010 Libya has given Mali two security planes to combat insecurity in the north of the country. These conflicts could flare up again if Gaddafi exits the stage. Nowadays Gaddafi has many supporters in Mali who regularly march to protest against the Western-led military intervention in Libya.

    CONGO: Libya has put $65 billion into sovereign wealth funds, including one which is specifically designed to make investments in Africa. The Libyan Arab African Investment Company, a vehicle of Libya's Africa sovereign wealth fund, owns Le Meridien, one of the biggest hotels in Congo. The hotel is undergoing refurbishment paid for by Libyan investment. In 2010, Libya planned to fund the building of a highway north of Congo's capital Brazzaville, where also the building of a mosque is planned.

    LIBERIA: Libya has provided millions in investment projects, helping to strengthen the rule of President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf in one of Africa’s most impoverished nations. Gaddafi's help includes the funding of a rubber processing factory built in Gbarnga, ? County, a technical and vocational school for the handicapped, as well as Libyan assistance in helping Liberia tackle the food crisis and renovation for the Ducor Intercontinental Hotel.

    NIGER: Also in Niger Gaddafi has helped to prop up the government and the authorities would become more fragile without his financial help. Libyan Prime Minister Al-Baghdadi Ali al-Mahmoudi visited Niger in August 2010 and announced the creation of a $100 million investment fund for Niger as part of a strengthening of bilateral ties. Under earlier agreements, Libya is contributing 100 million euros for the construction of a Trans-Sahara highway in the north of Niger, according to sources close to Niger's foreign ministry. The local subsidiary of Libya Oil, along with Total, are the major players in Niger's fuel retailing business.

    CHAD: Gaddafi has been a key supporter of the government, which would weaken if it lost his aid revenue. Chad has been plagued by civil wars and invasions after its independence from France in 1960. After years of unrest, Gaddafi seals a peace agreement for Chad between four Chadian rebel groups and the Chadian government in 2007, which agreement was signed in Sirte.
    In 2010 Libya made a huge investment in Chad's National Telecom, which meant a boost of the number of the Chadian mobile phone users from 100,000 to two million.

    CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC: Libya has helped to prop up the fragile government, sending paratroopers into the capital in 2001 to defeat a rebel assault. In 2008 Gaddafi played a role in the formation of a peace agreement between the government and rebel groups.

    MAURITANIA: Gaddafi was the first head of state to visit after a 2008 coup which brought President Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz to power. Aziz, who subsequently won a presidential election, has visited Gaddafi several times since then. Even Mauritanian opposition politicians have gone to Tripoli to pledge allegiance to the Libyan leader. Mauritania has debts to Libya of about $200 million. During discussions on debt relief in May 2010, the Libyan Central Bank announced Libya would provide $50 in grants to build a hospital and a university. The university is to be named after Gaddafi.
  • Bully_Pulpit
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    SUDAN: The 20,000-troop peacekeeping mission in Dafur, jointly supported by the African Union and the United Nations, could be hampered if the African Union (AU) loses funding from Gaddafi and destabilize the country. Gaddafi, who blamed the crisis in Darfur on Israel, made a number of attempts to broker peace talks between Darfur rebels and the Sudanese government.
    In October 2010, Gaddafi warned ahead of a vote on possible independence for South Sudan that a partition of the country would be a “contagious disease” that could spread to other African states.

    ETHIOPIA: The African Union, based in Ethiopia's capital, could find itself in financial trouble if it loses the massive support that Gaddafi gives it. Under his rule, Libya supplied 15% of the AU’s membership dues, and it also paid the dues of many smaller and poorer African nations. To seek for a solution of the Eritrea-Ethiopia conflict, Gaddafi has sent a special envoy to Ethiopia in 2000. In 2008, Libya's OiLibya bought Shell Ethiopia. This agreement also included retaining all Shell employees, who were hoping to work in a better environment since a long time

    SOMALIA: The African Union peace keeping mission, whose 8,000 soldiers are crucial to the battle against Islamic radicals in Somalia's capital Mogadishu, could be severely weakened if the AU lost the financial support of Gaddafi. In 2008 Libya decided to grant an investment fund to Somalia through the Sahel-Saharan Investment and Trade Bank to fund infrastructures such as roads and bridges within Somalia.

    GAMBIA: Libyan firms own two hotels and the "Dream Park" entertainment centre in Gambia. Gambian agriculture has received support from Libya, including a donation of seven new tractors. In 2009 Gaddafi gave two camels to Gambian President Yahya Jammeh as a gift. The Libyan and Gambian presidents have exchanged visits and senior Gambian officials attended ceremonies in September to mark the anniversary of Gaddafi coming to power. On September 7, 2009, Gambia celebrated the 40th anniversary of the Al Fateh Revolution: "In Libya everyone enjoys Freedom!"
  • P-Dogg77
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    Despite being Arab he was the strongest supporter of Pan-Africanism and through his efforts someday an United States of Africa would have existed. That ? was more proud of Africa than your average African real talk you ? need to learn about this man. He even said that he's proud of Condoleezza Rice because she's a black woman of African heritage while your average ? wants his chick as close to European as possible (Jay-Z)
    No other leader has withstood the evil of the imperialist West as much as pro-African brother Gaddafi.Im not saying he's a saint but Africa really needed this man.

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/24/the_qaddafi_I_know?page=0,0

    Yall uneducated ? oughta read up on this ? .
  • Bully_Pulpit
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  • Bully_Pulpit
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    they wont........they want the new iphone or they want to ? ? and then complain about them
  • playmaker88
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    very easy to say recieving 3rd hand information.. and not living in Libya..
  • Bully_Pulpit
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    Sorry its a youtube video, we all know theres nothing real on there besides ass shaking videos ya know, nobody EVER posts anything that can be useful info
  • hefty-vulturestatus
    hefty-vulturestatus Members Posts: 811 ✭✭✭
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    very easy to say recieving 3rd hand information.. and not living in Libya..

    Exactly. But the useful idiots on here would rather ignore all the misery he's brought.
  • a.mann
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    very easy to say recieving 3rd hand information.. and not living in Libya..

    Exactly. But the useful idiots on here would rather ignore all the misery he's brought.


    and there you have it.


    The united governments said he was a threat and unfit to lead his people, and like you, i can't see why they would lie or mislead us.

    Plus the death and destruction he has brought his people from their homes, education, health care and civil rights. Even going so far as to manipulate his military into false wars that caused even more untold death,suffering and misery to innocent men,women and children


    Bombing his country rentlessly is the not a just a option but a must.
  • Jesus Jackson
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    My question is, what kinda nation allows rebel thugs to hunt down and assassinate the former ruler of that nation (even videotaping the actual premeditated murder) and get away, scott-free without any type of punishment? If that's how justice is carried out in Libya, I may hafta reconsider my opinion of Mexico being the worst country on earth.
  • IamtheVILLE
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    so the question to the real people spittin truth about gaddafi (sp?) is how can a broke ? like me do what he was trying to do on a micro level and then on a macro level?
  • a.mann
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    My question is, what kinda nation allows rebel thugs to hunt down and assassinate the former ruler of that nation (even videotaping the actual premeditated murder) and get away, scott-free without any type of punishment? If that's how justice is carried out in Libya, I may hafta reconsider my opinion of Mexico being the worst country on earth.

    but,but our government said him was morally unfit to lead him people....

    shouldn't we just beleive them without question???
  • Bully_Pulpit
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    a.mann wrote: »
    and there you have it.


    The united governments said he was a threat and unfit to lead his people, and like you, i can't see why they would lie or mislead us.

    Plus the death and destruction he has brought his people from their homes, education, health care and civil rights. Even going so far as to manipulate his military into false wars that caused even more untold death,suffering and misery to innocent men,women and children


    Bombing his country rentlessly is the not a just a option but a must.

    I really hope your were being sarcastic brah, you cant see why they would lie or mislead us(WMDS anyone? Thats just one provable example)

    Bombing his country relentlessly wow I wonder how many innocent ppl died cause of it, imagine if NATO bombed your town trying to ? 1 person and it took that long to ? him, think ? .

    Edit:Nevermind
  • edwardnigma
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    so the question to the real people spittin truth about gaddafi (sp?) is how can a broke ? like me do what he was trying to do on a micro level and then on a macro level?

    Stand up My ? . Make shirts about Blacks getting HUng in Africa By Arabs, and rock that ? , show it on all your personal profiles. Make a Youtube video and talk about it. Be creative but awareness is number one and you there already. Just don' get yourself into no trouble. Because you don't want to be labeled a terrorist so I would avoid talking bad about police or politicians. They the dirtiest players in the game.....but nobody can stop you or question you spreading the NEWS, VIDEOS amd PICTURES of Blacks being hung and killed in Africa for being black. People can just take notice but they cant single you out
  • edwardnigma
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    I really hope your were being sarcastic brah, you cant see why they would lie or mislead us(WMDS anyone? Thats just one provable example)

    Bombing his country relentlessly wow I wonder how many innocent ppl died cause of it, imagine if NATO bombed your town trying to ? 1 person and it took that long to ? him, think ? .Edit:Nevermind

    You spitting some ether.

    But you gotta put it on 24's for these ? to listen.
  • Huruma
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    That picture of him bleeding/dying was ? up, I won't pretend otherwise. I wish he wasn't killed like that.

    Ghaddafi was a hypocrite, like a lot of pan-Africanists (Kwame Nkrumah, Kenneth Kaunda, Selassie etc.) were and I don't mean any disrespect to him or them when I say this but the situation with pan-Africanists/socialists in Africa often reminds me of the scenario in Animal Farm. The 'pan-Africanism' of Ghaddafi and these men ultimately ended up replacing European colonial powers with indigenous ones which is why Ghaddafi was in power for 34 years before he was killed. I don't know a lot about Libya but you see a similar pattern in Zambia (Kaunda and his 24 year one party rule), Ghana (Nkrumah who declared himself 'president for life'), Ethiopia (under Selassie, who was also a dictator) etc.
  • Copper
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    I read somewhere that our CIA gave ghaddafi names of defectors so he can carry out assasinations like he was known to do...
    Also read that he supported mandela during aparthied and that education and medical treatment availablilty was improved during his time
  • Hustle Crow
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    very easy to say recieving 3rd hand information.. and not living in Libya..

    Pretty much. They don't hear you though.
  • stillmatic_01
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    Huruma wrote: »
    That picture of him bleeding/dying was ? up, I won't pretend otherwise. I wish he wasn't killed like that.

    Ghaddafi was a hypocrite, like a lot of pan-Africanists (Kwame Nkrumah, Kenneth Kaunda, Selassie etc.) were and I don't mean any disrespect to him or them when I say this but the situation with pan-Africanists/socialists in Africa often reminds me of the scenario in Animal Farm. The 'pan-Africanism' of Ghaddafi and these men ultimately ended up replacing European colonial powers with indigenous ones which is why Ghaddafi was in power for 34 years before he was killed. I don't know a lot about Libya but you see a similar pattern in Zambia (Kaunda and his 24 year one party rule), Ghana (Nkrumah who declared himself 'president for life'), Ethiopia (under Selassie, who was also a dictator) etc.

    co-sign 100%

    Even though I'm Ghanaian.....

    but to keep it 100

    Nkrumah was a hypocrite. He talked Garveyism/Pan-Africanism but he married an Egyptian-Arab woman.

    He talked Pro-Blackness but invited that half breed mulatto W.E.B. DuBois to Ghana. (DuBois opposed Pan-Africanism early on and was also criticial of Marcus Garvey's ideology and plans, he also compared Garvey to a primate)


    Haile Selassie was another half breed feudal emperor who maintained an unofficial class system in his country and suppressed the culture and language of ethnic minorities like the Oromo. He was also weak regardless of what modern day Ethiopians would have you believe....He ran to the UN when the Italians (who were the weakest of the colonial empires) waged war on him. He also adopted 40+ White-Armenian children.


    Pan-Africanism didn't work then, and it won't work now or in the future. In my opinion every country just needs to work on themselves instead of believing in these fantasies.