Did they edit the Bible from Satan to ? in some parts?
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In the two scriptures below we see that in one part ? orders David to number Israel but in another chapter it says that Satan orders David to number Israel. Is it possible that the translaters of the Bible edited out the name Satan in some other instances in the Bible and put Lord ? name instead but they forgot to do that in 1 Chronicles 21:1?
"AND Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel." (I Chronicles 21:1)
"AND again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah." (II Samuel 24:1)
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"AND Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel." (I Chronicles 21:1)
"AND again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah." (II Samuel 24:1)
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Though this is not the answer to the question, this is something to consider. We all have this notion of Satan being this being that is all about being immoral; making people get caught up in sex, drugs and...whatever else. But we fail to see that even Satan knows how to follow the rules. He can do good as is an "angel of light"; however he can do so at the expense of distracting the world from the real problem.
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alissowack wrote: »Though this is not the answer to the question, this is something to consider. We all have this notion of Satan being this being that is all about being immoral; making people get caught up in sex, drugs and...whatever else. But we fail to see that even Satan knows how to follow the rules. He can do good as is an "angel of light"; however he can do so at the expense of distracting the world from the real problem.
what do u think of the two scriptures posted in which one uses ? and the other uses Satan for the same act?
and what do u consider the "real problem"? -
what do u think of the two scriptures posted in which one uses ? and the other uses Satan for the same act?
and what do u consider the "real problem"?
To me...the two scriptures suggest this...what ? intends for good, Satan wants to use for evil. What the "evil" is escapes me for the moment. I could guess and say that it has something to do with Satan feeding into David's pride...I could be wrong.
Well, the real problem is sin. Sure, it sounds like something you've heard before, but I believe there in an underestimation of it; that if we just "knew" what sin is in respect to ? , then we would see that our hands can do nothing to remedy it. The two scriptures kind of hint to just how potent sin is. -
alissowack wrote: »To me...the two scriptures suggest this...what ? intends for good, Satan wants to use for evil. What the "evil" is escapes me for the moment. I could guess and say that it has something to do with Satan feeding into David's pride...I could be wrong.
Well, the real problem is sin. Sure, it sounds like something you've heard before, but I believe there in an underestimation of it; that if we just "knew" what sin is in respect to ? , then we would see that our hands can do nothing to remedy it. The two scriptures kind of hint to just how potent sin is.
So you are saying that both ? and Satan wanted David to number Israel? If thats the case then why does one scripture say ? and fail to mention Satan and the other says Satan but fails to mention ? ?
And if the purpose of ? saying to number Israel was good then why does it say ? was angry and actually had people killed for doing what he wanted David to do? -
So you are saying that both ? and Satan wanted David to number Israel? If thats the case then why does one scripture say ? and fail to mention Satan and the other says Satan but fails to mention ? ?
And if the purpose of ? saying to number Israel was good then why does it say ? was angry and actually had people killed for doing what he wanted David to do?
The issue isn't so much who told David to do something. The issue isn't even about good or evil. The issue is with sin. Because of sin, we can never obey or make a choice that glorifies ? . In David's case, Satan's word was a lot more "honorable" than ? 's Word...and it was for the same act of obedience. -
alissowack wrote: »The issue isn't so much who told David to do something. The issue isn't even about good or evil. The issue is with sin. Because of sin, we can never obey or make a choice that glorifies ? . In David's case, Satan's word was a lot more "honorable" than ? 's Word...and it was for the same act of obedience.
i understand about what u are saying about sin. but this is not the topic i am speaking on. i am speaking on the 2 scriptures that portray the same act to number israel but one is by Satan and the other ? .
In both instances ? kills people for numbering Israel but in one scripture ? ordered David to number Israel so it doesnt make complete sense and u might know what I mean but u keep changing the subject into sin. -
NB4 judahxulu sons this thread with a proper hebrew translation...
my opinion tho is it might just be alluding to some type of duality of good/evil mumbo jumbo or some ? like that -
i understand about what u are saying about sin. but this is not the topic i am speaking on. i am speaking on the 2 scriptures that portray the same act to number israel but one is by Satan and the other ? .
In both instances ? kills people for numbering Israel but in one scripture ? ordered David to number Israel so it doesnt make complete sense and u might know what I mean but u keep changing the subject into sin.
I know it appears as if I am changing the subject. I'm not intentionally trying to change the subject. Sin is the reason why ? has people killed. -
The bible was created for mind control. ? /Satan is all a fraudulent scheme design to conquer people by the Europeans.
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Rebelde.Conocido wrote: »The bible was created for mind control. ? /Satan is all a fraudulent scheme design to conquer people by the Europeans.
It might be possible that the Bible was changed around with all the editing, revisions, and translations but for the most part I believe it to be the word of ? . -
No, that's not the case here.
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Nah, it doesn't say ? gave word to do it, nor does it say Satan gave word. It says 'moved'. It was David's word that got them in trouble, check 2 Samuel 24:4.alissowack wrote: »The issue isn't so much who told David to do something. The issue isn't even about good or evil. The issue is with sin. Because of sin, we can never obey or make a choice that glorifies ? . In David's case, Satan's word was a lot more "honorable" than ? 's Word...and it was for the same act of obedience. -
solid analysis wrote: »Nah, it doesn't say ? gave word to do it, nor does it say Satan gave word. It says 'moved'. It was David's word that got them in trouble, check 2 Samuel 24:4.
Well, maybe not words...but there was influence. -
alissowack wrote: »I know it appears as if I am changing the subject. I'm not intentionally trying to change the subject. Sin is the reason why ? has people killed.
oh please i didnt ask u nothing about no sin. i asked u why does one scripture say ? commited an act and the other one says Satan did the act. How can 2 people commit the same act was my question to u... stop changing the subject like your brain is not functioning correctly. -
oh please i didnt ask u nothing about no sin. i asked u why does one scripture say ? commited an act and the other one says Satan did the act. How can 2 people commit the same act was my question to u... stop changing the subject like your brain is not functioning correctly.
Well, how does ? (or Satan) is suppose to act? What you want is a reason to justify the motives for why two entities would put poor David through that. And...there is no answer for it...and for someone to try to explain it to you would leave you scratching your head a little more. Unfortunately, at the end of the day, the issue of sin still remains. -
oh please i didnt ask u nothing about no sin. i asked u why does one scripture say ? commited an act and the other one says Satan did the act. How can 2 people commit the same act was my question to u... stop changing the subject like your brain is not functioning correctly.
an undercover agent named smith busts u on a huge coke deal. he works for the dea which is a law enforcement agency but he has the ability to break the law in order to catch drug dealers. who busted you? agent smith or the dea? both. would there be a need for agent smith if there were no drugs? no. so whose fault is it? yours. so in essence the law remained constant aand u chose to go against the grain which caused a chain reaction. overstand the metaphor and be at peace. -
Thank you. ^ i didn't rly care to do the honors first.
But i'll add another ex. for the extra slow.
My friend at a entire bag of chips yesterday after smoking. You understand that doesn't mean he was munching on plastic, rather that he ate the contents in the bag. The statement is still accurate though because the bag is representation of what's in it.
Also, Yah removed His protection from David and allowed Satan to tempt David because He was mad with Israel. In this, He uses David weakness as a opportunity to teach them a real life lesson. Satan actually tempted David, but it was done w/ Yah's approval which in an indirect sense kind of makes it Yah's doing. But like i said, it's still was David's word, that's why he's held responsible. -
i see u been studying, huh? good stuff..solid analysis wrote: »Thank you. ^ i didn't rly care to do the honors first.
But i'll add another ex. for the extra slow.
My friend at a entire bag of chips yesterday after smoking. You understand that doesn't mean he was munching on plastic, rather that he ate the contents in the bag. The statement is still accurate though because the bag is representation of what's in it.
Also, Yah removed His protection from David and allowed Satan to tempt David because He was mad with Israel. In this, He uses David weakness as a opportunity to teach them a real life lesson. Satan actually tempted David, but it was done w/ Yah's approval which in an indirect sense kind of makes it Yah's doing. But like i said, it's still was David's word, that's why he's held responsible. -
u too, i see u ...i fell off on studying for a minute actuallyi see u been studying, huh? good stuff..
been recently trying to get back in it -
Thought the devil wasnt even a real being?
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Thought the devil wasnt even a real being?
its not. its self-aware artificial intelligence. -
You ever heard of PROMIS??What is Promis?
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—Richard L. Fricker, Wired magazine, 1993, "The INSLAW Octopus".[1]
More from the same article --
PROMIS has the ability to combine disparate databases, and to track people by their involvement with the legal system.
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Along comes a computer program that can integrate all these databases
—Fricker, Wired
A different author --
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—Michael Ruppert, FTW.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecutor's_Management_Information_System -
Or check this out:IBM has unveiled a new experimental computer chip that it says mimics the human brain in that it perceives, acts and even thinks.
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In building this new generation of chip, IBM combined principles of nanoscience, neuroscience and supercomputing.
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http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2102735/ibm-unveils-chips-mimic-human-brain -
hmmm I wasnt born yesteday and it seems as if I would have to lower my intelligence to view both of these scriptures the same way as u are telling me to.
As I have said before this world is like a matrix world in the sense that everyone tries to fight tooth and nail for their so called system of beliefs even when confronted with obvious problems.
Many have been programmed to just believe everything and to not question anything. How do any of you know that corruption has not been done when you already admit that certain words like Lord, ? , Jesus, and etc were ADDED in the book? None of us have seen the original manuscripts of any of these books so we are all taking a gigantic leap of faith.
Then when a free thinking unindoctrinated person comes to question these people, the so called believers in every word look for anyway possible to fight for this belief system instead of being open minded and admiting that there are some problems.
So it makes me wonder if some of us are unknowingly puppets for the powers that be by being defenders of systems of indoctrination handed to us ? -
It just amazes me how certain people admit that the name Jesus, Lord, ? , and etc were added to the Bible but they don't stop to ask themselves what else was added to the Bible?
These same people say that Jesus is a false name for the messiah and that it is a sin to use that name... But if the Bible is holy and the word of ? how could that name be changed by men who are supposidly the servants of Satan? And if you people admit that these men who supposidly are the servants of Satan changed the very important name of the messiah and ? in the Bible then what makes u think they didnt change anything else?
The Bible states that the messiahs name is the ONLY name under heaven whereby we must be saved but for hundreds and hundreds of years the world has what u people say are false names case in point the name Jesus. So who can be saved if all we had was false names? This jus dont make any sense.
Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
The Bible is the 100% word of ? but we still have to do research on the internet, dictionaries, and everywhere else just to find out what the correct name of ? and the Messiah is?
something seems wrong.
