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Scottie Pippen overrated?
In this first paragraph I'm gonna blow up the notion that the Bulls weren't a much greater team with Jordan, than without....people always forget that Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen played on the 92 dream team, neither player got much of a rest, and they lagged throughout part of the 92-93 season, so they didn't win 60+ games due to the fact that both players were taxed from playing in 2 straight NBA Finals, and the Olympics. When you look at the 1994-1995 Bulls, the greatness and impact of Jordan shines through the clouds:
1995 = BULLS were struggling to stay over .500 in the 94-95 season, and when Jordan came back to the Bulls we won 76% of the rest of the games in the regular season, won 72 games the following year.
Pippen averaged 16ppg 6.4reb 5.2ast 2.0stl .8blk 47%fg for his career and people talk about him like he was playing on LeBron's level. The one thing people never talk about with Pippen is the fact that yes he averaged 17ppg in the playoffs 7.6reb and 5.0ast, but Pippen shot 44% in the playoffs for his career. Pippen shot 39% in the 96 playoffs, Pippen shot 41% in the 97 and 98 playoffs. The first year Pippen played in the playoffs without Jordan after his final run with Da Bulls, Pippen shot 32.9% in the playoffs that year(1999). Pippen only had one season shooting over 50% in the playoffs and that was the 90 playoffs when he made 50.4% of his shots. Other than that, he was a streaky scorer, overrated passer and ball handler, overrated defender, and he only shot 30% from 3 point land to go with 72% free throws for his career in the playoffs.
Pippen shot 40% in the 96,97 and 98 playoffs, name one other player who could will his team to a 3 peat, the way Jordan did, with a sidekick that shot 40% in the playoffs during those 3 championship runs.
Lets look at the most prominent accolades that Scottie Pippen has received:
1990: Scottie Pippen chosen to "Dream Team 1".
SI reported: Scottie Pippen had played one All-Star Calibur season when he was chosen to be on the first U.S. Olympic Men's basketball team that included NBA players. He was chosen ahead of Isiah Thomas who at the time had just led the Detroit Pistons to two NBA Championships and was beginning to wind down his Hall of Fame career. Some mentioned that Pippen may have benefited from the Jordan revenge on Thomas for the alleged "Freeze out" in the 1985 NBA All-Star Game. The real Freeze out in that game was when "Iceman" George Gervin torched Jordan and the East for 23 points. Pippen belonged on Dream Team 2, not the original Dream Team, his stardom was not fully established when he was selected for Dream Team 1.
1991 Scottie "Shut Down" Magic Johnson in the 1991 NBA Finals.
First: Lets disspell a myth. Scottie Pippen did not "shut down" Magic Johnson in the 1991 NBA Finals:
Johnson's numbers in the 1991 NBA Finals:
Game Pts Rebs Ast
1 19 10 11
2* 14 7 10
3* 22 6 10
4* 22 6 11
5* 16 11 20
* games when Johnson was guarded by Pippen
Johnson's 1991 NBA Finals Stats: 18.6ppg 8.0rpg 12.4apg
Johnson's 1991 NBA Finals stats while guarded by Pippen: 18.5ppg 7.5rpg 12.8apg
Johnson's 1990-91 Regular season stats 19.4ppg 7.0apg 12.5apg
When you consider that an assist causes your team to score 2 points, Johnson was actually more productive for his team (by a tiny fraction) while guarded by Pippen than he was in Game 1 of the 1991 NBA Finals or the 1990-91 regular season.
While Scottie deserves credit for keeping Magic from completely "going off" in the series, Pippen only slowed Johnson down in Game 2. In games 3-5 Johnson averaged 20ppg, 7.7rpg 13.7apg, all better than his regular season numbers. Pippen was a great defender but, Johnson, -like all of the game's All Time Greats do in big games- still "got his" while he was guarded by Scottie Pippen. Johnson even had 20 assists in game 5 when his two long time trusted options: James Worthy and Byron Scott, were out with injuries.
1996 "All Around Best Player"
The media likes to make up labels for their favorite people to make them look better than they really are. Remember the 2000 Presidential Election when Democrats in the media made up the term "gravitas" to make their guy Al Gore look more presidential than his opponents? There is no NBA award for "All-Around best player" It was just a special label that was made up for one guy: Scottie Pippen. The pro-Pippen media was not happy saying "1995 All-Star game MVP Scottie Pippen" they wanted something to make him look better than he really was. If other point-forwards like Connie Hawkins and Paul Pressey were also acknowledged for their "All-Around Best Play" then this label would have some merit. On the day Pippen left Chicago the media immediately stopped using the phrase "All Around Best Player" to describe him.
1996: Pippen on the "50 Greatest Players" List
Pippen made the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History" list. Oscar Robertson said this: "Beyond the first 10 or 12 guys the 50 greatest players list was about who had the best P.R.. Bob McAdoo, a former league MVP did not make the list." If Scottie Pippen had played in a small market like Portland or Denver for his entire career it is highly unlikely that he would have been on the 50 greateast players list. Just ask Sidney Moncrief.
I would like to acknowledge that I thought Pippen was one of the best forwards in the game when he was at his peak. The simple fact remains that his accomplishments were magnified by his playing in Chicago. Pippen would have been an All-Star no matter where he played, but there would have been far less attention and good P.R. in a small market. Pippen's first year in Portland showed on a national stage another huge weakness his game: He can't take his team on his back in the clutch and win. That is why Scottie was MIA when his Blazers went to L.A. and pulled off the most collosal Game 7 fourth quarter choke in NBA playoff history. Pippen spent that fourth quarter watching Rasheed Wallace and Brian Grant lay bricks instead of taking over when it was obvious his team was in trouble. All the Blazers needed was a few baskets to stave off the Laker rally. That is why it is absurd to think that Pippen is of the same calibur as Larry Bird, Elgin Baylor and Julius Erving, those guys would not have let their team choke so badly if they were Blazers in Pippen's place.
The Bulls had nine different players on that '93-'94 team average at least seven points per game. In the playoffs, Chicago ran into their bitter rival, the New York Knicks, in the Eastern Conference semifinals. The Knicks had been eliminated by Jordan and the Bulls in each of the previous three seasons so they were obviously extremely motivated to take advantage of the golden opportunity that lay before them. The Knicks eventually ended the Bulls' season Personally, I believe they missed Jordan's leadership, grit, and toughness, nearly as much as his actual talent. Scottie Pippen, who is arguably one of most overrated players in NBA history, couldn't handle the responsibilities and pressures that come with being his team's best player and unquestioned leader. For instance, I could never look at Scottie Pippen the same way after he took himself out of Game 3 of that Knicks series with 1.4 seconds left on the clock, after Phil Jackson decided Toni Kukoc would take the game's final, game-winning shot (as Pippen sulked, whined, and watched from the bench.) Pippen was perfectly suited to play second fiddle, but was not build to be the top banana. The Bulls struggled to stay over .500 in the 94-95 season but they won 76% of their games when Jordan returned and he wasn't even in basketball shape yet. The following season the Bulls won 72 games in '95-'96, as everyone comfortable in their respective roles…
When he left the sinking ship in Chicago to join the Rockets he was thought to be the missing piece. Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley were aging, and they really needed someone to lean on. Pippen came in saying he would be that person, and then immediately started punking his teammates. His constant complaining and finger-pointing made him the most unpopular player in the history of the Rockets, with fans basically threatening to tar and feather him (this is Texas) on his way out of town.
Pippen was better in Portland, where expectations were lower, but he didn't have any more success being the "missing piece" there, either. I'll never forget the 2000 Western Conference Finals, in which the Blazers had a chance to eliminate the Lakers in Game 7 in Portland. Portland had a double-digit lead going into the fourth quarter and Pippen inexplicably began taking lots of long jumpers with 20 seconds on the shot clock. It was like he was trying to throw the game . . .and it worked. Portland wound up losing. I guess that's why it was always Steve Kerr or John Paxson taking big shots for the Bulls when MJ deferred. Pippen just wasn't up to it.
Would the Bulls have been a lottery team without MJ? No. But they certainly wouldn't have been a championship team, either. Dominique Wilkins and Patrick Ewing would have seen to that . . .long before Olajuwon got hold of them
In this first paragraph I'm gonna blow up the notion that the Bulls weren't a much greater team with Jordan, than without....people always forget that Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen played on the 92 dream team, neither player got much of a rest, and they lagged throughout part of the 92-93 season, so they didn't win 60+ games due to the fact that both players were taxed from playing in 2 straight NBA Finals, and the Olympics. When you look at the 1994-1995 Bulls, the greatness and impact of Jordan shines through the clouds:
1995 = BULLS were struggling to stay over .500 in the 94-95 season, and when Jordan came back to the Bulls we won 76% of the rest of the games in the regular season, won 72 games the following year.
Pippen averaged 16ppg 6.4reb 5.2ast 2.0stl .8blk 47%fg for his career and people talk about him like he was playing on LeBron's level. The one thing people never talk about with Pippen is the fact that yes he averaged 17ppg in the playoffs 7.6reb and 5.0ast, but Pippen shot 44% in the playoffs for his career. Pippen shot 39% in the 96 playoffs, Pippen shot 41% in the 97 and 98 playoffs. The first year Pippen played in the playoffs without Jordan after his final run with Da Bulls, Pippen shot 32.9% in the playoffs that year(1999). Pippen only had one season shooting over 50% in the playoffs and that was the 90 playoffs when he made 50.4% of his shots. Other than that, he was a streaky scorer, overrated passer and ball handler, overrated defender, and he only shot 30% from 3 point land to go with 72% free throws for his career in the playoffs.
Pippen shot 40% in the 96,97 and 98 playoffs, name one other player who could will his team to a 3 peat, the way Jordan did, with a sidekick that shot 40% in the playoffs during those 3 championship runs.
Lets look at the most prominent accolades that Scottie Pippen has received:
1990: Scottie Pippen chosen to "Dream Team 1".
SI reported: Scottie Pippen had played one All-Star Calibur season when he was chosen to be on the first U.S. Olympic Men's basketball team that included NBA players. He was chosen ahead of Isiah Thomas who at the time had just led the Detroit Pistons to two NBA Championships and was beginning to wind down his Hall of Fame career. Some mentioned that Pippen may have benefited from the Jordan revenge on Thomas for the alleged "Freeze out" in the 1985 NBA All-Star Game. The real Freeze out in that game was when "Iceman" George Gervin torched Jordan and the East for 23 points. Pippen belonged on Dream Team 2, not the original Dream Team, his stardom was not fully established when he was selected for Dream Team 1.
1991 Scottie "Shut Down" Magic Johnson in the 1991 NBA Finals.
First: Lets disspell a myth. Scottie Pippen did not "shut down" Magic Johnson in the 1991 NBA Finals:
Johnson's numbers in the 1991 NBA Finals:
Game Pts Rebs Ast
1 19 10 11
2* 14 7 10
3* 22 6 10
4* 22 6 11
5* 16 11 20
* games when Johnson was guarded by Pippen
Johnson's 1991 NBA Finals Stats: 18.6ppg 8.0rpg 12.4apg
Johnson's 1991 NBA Finals stats while guarded by Pippen: 18.5ppg 7.5rpg 12.8apg
Johnson's 1990-91 Regular season stats 19.4ppg 7.0apg 12.5apg
When you consider that an assist causes your team to score 2 points, Johnson was actually more productive for his team (by a tiny fraction) while guarded by Pippen than he was in Game 1 of the 1991 NBA Finals or the 1990-91 regular season.
While Scottie deserves credit for keeping Magic from completely "going off" in the series, Pippen only slowed Johnson down in Game 2. In games 3-5 Johnson averaged 20ppg, 7.7rpg 13.7apg, all better than his regular season numbers. Pippen was a great defender but, Johnson, -like all of the game's All Time Greats do in big games- still "got his" while he was guarded by Scottie Pippen. Johnson even had 20 assists in game 5 when his two long time trusted options: James Worthy and Byron Scott, were out with injuries.
1996 "All Around Best Player"
The media likes to make up labels for their favorite people to make them look better than they really are. Remember the 2000 Presidential Election when Democrats in the media made up the term "gravitas" to make their guy Al Gore look more presidential than his opponents? There is no NBA award for "All-Around best player" It was just a special label that was made up for one guy: Scottie Pippen. The pro-Pippen media was not happy saying "1995 All-Star game MVP Scottie Pippen" they wanted something to make him look better than he really was. If other point-forwards like Connie Hawkins and Paul Pressey were also acknowledged for their "All-Around Best Play" then this label would have some merit. On the day Pippen left Chicago the media immediately stopped using the phrase "All Around Best Player" to describe him.
1996: Pippen on the "50 Greatest Players" List
Pippen made the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History" list. Oscar Robertson said this: "Beyond the first 10 or 12 guys the 50 greatest players list was about who had the best P.R.. Bob McAdoo, a former league MVP did not make the list." If Scottie Pippen had played in a small market like Portland or Denver for his entire career it is highly unlikely that he would have been on the 50 greateast players list. Just ask Sidney Moncrief.
I would like to acknowledge that I thought Pippen was one of the best forwards in the game when he was at his peak. The simple fact remains that his accomplishments were magnified by his playing in Chicago. Pippen would have been an All-Star no matter where he played, but there would have been far less attention and good P.R. in a small market. Pippen's first year in Portland showed on a national stage another huge weakness his game: He can't take his team on his back in the clutch and win. That is why Scottie was MIA when his Blazers went to L.A. and pulled off the most collosal Game 7 fourth quarter choke in NBA playoff history. Pippen spent that fourth quarter watching Rasheed Wallace and Brian Grant lay bricks instead of taking over when it was obvious his team was in trouble. All the Blazers needed was a few baskets to stave off the Laker rally. That is why it is absurd to think that Pippen is of the same calibur as Larry Bird, Elgin Baylor and Julius Erving, those guys would not have let their team choke so badly if they were Blazers in Pippen's place.
The Bulls had nine different players on that '93-'94 team average at least seven points per game. In the playoffs, Chicago ran into their bitter rival, the New York Knicks, in the Eastern Conference semifinals. The Knicks had been eliminated by Jordan and the Bulls in each of the previous three seasons so they were obviously extremely motivated to take advantage of the golden opportunity that lay before them. The Knicks eventually ended the Bulls' season Personally, I believe they missed Jordan's leadership, grit, and toughness, nearly as much as his actual talent. Scottie Pippen, who is arguably one of most overrated players in NBA history, couldn't handle the responsibilities and pressures that come with being his team's best player and unquestioned leader. For instance, I could never look at Scottie Pippen the same way after he took himself out of Game 3 of that Knicks series with 1.4 seconds left on the clock, after Phil Jackson decided Toni Kukoc would take the game's final, game-winning shot (as Pippen sulked, whined, and watched from the bench.) Pippen was perfectly suited to play second fiddle, but was not build to be the top banana. The Bulls struggled to stay over .500 in the 94-95 season but they won 76% of their games when Jordan returned and he wasn't even in basketball shape yet. The following season the Bulls won 72 games in '95-'96, as everyone comfortable in their respective roles…
When he left the sinking ship in Chicago to join the Rockets he was thought to be the missing piece. Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley were aging, and they really needed someone to lean on. Pippen came in saying he would be that person, and then immediately started punking his teammates. His constant complaining and finger-pointing made him the most unpopular player in the history of the Rockets, with fans basically threatening to tar and feather him (this is Texas) on his way out of town.
Pippen was better in Portland, where expectations were lower, but he didn't have any more success being the "missing piece" there, either. I'll never forget the 2000 Western Conference Finals, in which the Blazers had a chance to eliminate the Lakers in Game 7 in Portland. Portland had a double-digit lead going into the fourth quarter and Pippen inexplicably began taking lots of long jumpers with 20 seconds on the shot clock. It was like he was trying to throw the game . . .and it worked. Portland wound up losing. I guess that's why it was always Steve Kerr or John Paxson taking big shots for the Bulls when MJ deferred. Pippen just wasn't up to it.
Would the Bulls have been a lottery team without MJ? No. But they certainly wouldn't have been a championship team, either. Dominique Wilkins and Patrick Ewing would have seen to that . . .long before Olajuwon got hold of them
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Scottie Pippen overrated?
In this first paragraph I'm gonna blow up the notion that the Bulls weren't a much greater team with Jordan, than without....people always forget that Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen played on the 92 dream team, neither player got much of a rest, and they lagged throughout part of the 92-93 season, so they didn't win 60+ games due to the fact that both players were taxed from playing in 2 straight NBA Finals, and the Olympics. When you look at the 1994-1995 Bulls, the greatness and impact of Jordan shines through the clouds:
1995 = BULLS were struggling to stay over .500 in the 94-95 season, and when Jordan came back to the Bulls we won 76% of the rest of the games in the regular season, won 72 games the following year.
Pippen averaged 16ppg 6.4reb 5.2ast 2.0stl .8blk 47%fg for his career and people talk about him like he was playing on LeBron's level. The one thing people never talk about with Pippen is the fact that yes he averaged 17ppg in the playoffs 7.6reb and 5.0ast, but Pippen shot 44% in the playoffs for his career. Pippen shot 39% in the 96 playoffs, Pippen shot 41% in the 97 and 98 playoffs. The first year Pippen played in the playoffs without Jordan after his final run with Da Bulls, Pippen shot 32.9% in the playoffs that year(1999). Pippen only had one season shooting over 50% in the playoffs and that was the 90 playoffs when he made 50.4% of his shots. Other than that, he was a streaky scorer, overrated passer and ball handler, overrated defender, and he only shot 30% from 3 point land to go with 72% free throws for his career in the playoffs.
Pippen shot 40% in the 96,97 and 98 playoffs, name one other player who could will his team to a 3 peat, the way Jordan did, with a sidekick that shot 40% in the playoffs during those 3 championship runs.
Lets look at the most prominent accolades that Scottie Pippen has received:
1990: Scottie Pippen chosen to "Dream Team 1".
SI reported: Scottie Pippen had played one All-Star Calibur season when he was chosen to be on the first U.S. Olympic Men's basketball team that included NBA players. He was chosen ahead of Isiah Thomas who at the time had just led the Detroit Pistons to two NBA Championships and was beginning to wind down his Hall of Fame career. Some mentioned that Pippen may have benefited from the Jordan revenge on Thomas for the alleged "Freeze out" in the 1985 NBA All-Star Game. The real Freeze out in that game was when "Iceman" George Gervin torched Jordan and the East for 23 points. Pippen belonged on Dream Team 2, not the original Dream Team, his stardom was not fully established when he was selected for Dream Team 1.
1991 Scottie "Shut Down" Magic Johnson in the 1991 NBA Finals.
First: Lets disspell a myth. Scottie Pippen did not "shut down" Magic Johnson in the 1991 NBA Finals:
Johnson's numbers in the 1991 NBA Finals:
Game Pts Rebs Ast
1 19 10 11
2* 14 7 10
3* 22 6 10
4* 22 6 11
5* 16 11 20
* games when Johnson was guarded by Pippen
Johnson's 1991 NBA Finals Stats: 18.6ppg 8.0rpg 12.4apg
Johnson's 1991 NBA Finals stats while guarded by Pippen: 18.5ppg 7.5rpg 12.8apg
Johnson's 1990-91 Regular season stats 19.4ppg 7.0apg 12.5apg
When you consider that an assist causes your team to score 2 points, Johnson was actually more productive for his team (by a tiny fraction) while guarded by Pippen than he was in Game 1 of the 1991 NBA Finals or the 1990-91 regular season.
While Scottie deserves credit for keeping Magic from completely "going off" in the series, Pippen only slowed Johnson down in Game 2. In games 3-5 Johnson averaged 20ppg, 7.7rpg 13.7apg, all better than his regular season numbers. Pippen was a great defender but, Johnson, -like all of the game's All Time Greats do in big games- still "got his" while he was guarded by Scottie Pippen. Johnson even had 20 assists in game 5 when his two long time trusted options: James Worthy and Byron Scott, were out with injuries.
1996 "All Around Best Player"
The media likes to make up labels for their favorite people to make them look better than they really are. Remember the 2000 Presidential Election when Democrats in the media made up the term "gravitas" to make their guy Al Gore look more presidential than his opponents? There is no NBA award for "All-Around best player" It was just a special label that was made up for one guy: Scottie Pippen. The pro-Pippen media was not happy saying "1995 All-Star game MVP Scottie Pippen" they wanted something to make him look better than he really was. If other point-forwards like Connie Hawkins and Paul Pressey were also acknowledged for their "All-Around Best Play" then this label would have some merit. On the day Pippen left Chicago the media immediately stopped using the phrase "All Around Best Player" to describe him.
1996: Pippen on the "50 Greatest Players" List
Pippen made the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History" list. Oscar Robertson said this: "Beyond the first 10 or 12 guys the 50 greatest players list was about who had the best P.R.. Bob McAdoo, a former league MVP did not make the list." If Scottie Pippen had played in a small market like Portland or Denver for his entire career it is highly unlikely that he would have been on the 50 greateast players list. Just ask Sidney Moncrief.
I would like to acknowledge that I thought Pippen was one of the best forwards in the game when he was at his peak. The simple fact remains that his accomplishments were magnified by his playing in Chicago. Pippen would have been an All-Star no matter where he played, but there would have been far less attention and good P.R. in a small market. Pippen's first year in Portland showed on a national stage another huge weakness his game: He can't take his team on his back in the clutch and win. That is why Scottie was MIA when his Blazers went to L.A. and pulled off the most collosal Game 7 fourth quarter choke in NBA playoff history. Pippen spent that fourth quarter watching Rasheed Wallace and Brian Grant lay bricks instead of taking over when it was obvious his team was in trouble. All the Blazers needed was a few baskets to stave off the Laker rally. That is why it is absurd to think that Pippen is of the same calibur as Larry Bird, Elgin Baylor and Julius Erving, those guys would not have let their team choke so badly if they were Blazers in Pippen's place.
The Bulls had nine different players on that '93-'94 team average at least seven points per game. In the playoffs, Chicago ran into their bitter rival, the New York Knicks, in the Eastern Conference semifinals. The Knicks had been eliminated by Jordan and the Bulls in each of the previous three seasons so they were obviously extremely motivated to take advantage of the golden opportunity that lay before them. The Knicks eventually ended the Bulls' season Personally, I believe they missed Jordan's leadership, grit, and toughness, nearly as much as his actual talent. Scottie Pippen, who is arguably one of most overrated players in NBA history, couldn't handle the responsibilities and pressures that come with being his team's best player and unquestioned leader. For instance, I could never look at Scottie Pippen the same way after he took himself out of Game 3 of that Knicks series with 1.4 seconds left on the clock, after Phil Jackson decided Toni Kukoc would take the game's final, game-winning shot (as Pippen sulked, whined, and watched from the bench.) Pippen was perfectly suited to play second fiddle, but was not build to be the top banana. The Bulls struggled to stay over .500 in the 94-95 season but they won 76% of their games when Jordan returned and he wasn't even in basketball shape yet. The following season the Bulls won 72 games in '95-'96, as everyone comfortable in their respective roles…
When he left the sinking ship in Chicago to join the Rockets he was thought to be the missing piece. Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley were aging, and they really needed someone to lean on. Pippen came in saying he would be that person, and then immediately started punking his teammates. His constant complaining and finger-pointing made him the most unpopular player in the history of the Rockets, with fans basically threatening to tar and feather him (this is Texas) on his way out of town.
Pippen was better in Portland, where expectations were lower, but he didn't have any more success being the "missing piece" there, either. I'll never forget the 2000 Western Conference Finals, in which the Blazers had a chance to eliminate the Lakers in Game 7 in Portland. Portland had a double-digit lead going into the fourth quarter and Pippen inexplicably began taking lots of long jumpers with 20 seconds on the shot clock. It was like he was trying to throw the game . . .and it worked. Portland wound up losing. I guess that's why it was always Steve Kerr or John Paxson taking big shots for the Bulls when MJ deferred. Pippen just wasn't up to it.
Would the Bulls have been a lottery team without MJ? No. But they certainly wouldn't have been a championship team, either. Dominique Wilkins and Patrick Ewing would have seen to that . . .long before Olajuwon got hold of them -
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I don't think so either I think he was the perfect complaint to micheal style.
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The Bulls had nine different players on that '93-'94 team average at least seven points per game. In the playoffs, Chicago ran into their bitter rival, the New York Knicks, in the Eastern Conference semifinals. The Knicks had been eliminated by Jordan and the Bulls in each of the previous three seasons so they were obviously extremely motivated to take advantage of the golden opportunity that lay before them. The Knicks eventually ended the Bulls' season Personally, I believe they missed Jordan's leadership, grit, and toughness, nearly as much as his actual talent. Scottie Pippen, who is arguably one of most overrated players in NBA history, couldn't handle the responsibilities and pressures that come with being his team's best player and unquestioned leader. For instance, I could never look at Scottie Pippen the same way after he took himself out of Game 3 of that Knicks series with 1.4 seconds left on the clock, after Phil Jackson decided Toni Kukoc would take the game's final, game-winning shot (as Pippen sulked, whined, and watched from the bench.) Pippen was perfectly suited to play second fiddle, but was not build to be the top banana. The Bulls struggled to stay over .500 in the 94-95 season but they won 76% of their games when Jordan returned and he wasn't even in basketball shape yet. The following season the Bulls won 72 games in '95-'96, as everyone comfortable in their respective roles…
Pippen averaged 16ppg 6.4reb 5.2ast 2.0stl .8blk 47%fg for his career and people talk about him like he was playing on LeBron's level. The one thing people never talk about with Pippen is the fact that yes he averaged 17ppg in the playoffs 7.6reb and 5.0ast, but Pippen shot 44% in the playoffs for his career. Pippen shot 39% in the 96 playoffs, Pippen shot 41% in the 97 and 98 playoffs. The first year Pippen played in the playoffs without Jordan after his final run with Da Bulls, Pippen shot 32.9% in the playoffs that year(1999). Pippen only had one season shooting over 50% in the playoffs and that was the 90 playoffs when he made 50.4% of his shots. Other than that, he was a streaky scorer, overrated passer and ball handler, overrated defender, and he only shot 30% from 3 point land to go with 72% free throws for his career in the playoffs.
Pippen shot 40% in the 96,97 and 98 playoffs, name one other player who could will his team to a 3 peat, the way Jordan did, with a sidekick that shot 40% in the playoffs during those 3 championship runs.
These are facts pippen is overrated as far as his rank in the nba history but he the bulls wouldnt have won 6 titles without him either.
I been sayin this these numbers show it.I made a thread last year callin him overrated and cats was gettin emotional sayin he was just as good as Jordan or better
That year Mj retired bulls won 55 games cuz of The Triangle,yea pippen led the team but triangle is a system all you need is 1 leader and everyone else play they roles and you will win games.In the playoffs it wasnt enough it was clear they needed mj,The next year after horace grant left and the bulls didnt have that same championship core they struggled to be .500 and pippen got exposed they doubled teamed him every game.Bulls was average until mike cameback.Phil jackson wasnt this great coach no more when he had average players
Lakers 4-1 this season without kobe and they beat All playoff teams Without him. -
Tommy Billfiger wrote: »These are facts pippen is overrated as far as his rank in the nba history but he the bulls wouldnt have won 6 titles without him either.
I been sayin this these numbers show it.I made a thread last year callin him overrated and cats was gettin emotional sayin he was just as good as Jordan or better
That year Mj retired bulls won 55 games cuz of The Triangle,yea pippen led the team but triangle is a system all you need is 1 leader and everyone else play they roles and you will win games.In the playoffs it wasnt enough it was clear they needed mj,The next year after horace grant left and the bulls didnt have that same championship core they struggled to be .500 and pippen got exposed they doubled teamed him every game.Bulls was average until mike cameback.Phil jackson wasnt this great coach no more when he had average players
Lakers 4-1 this season without kobe and they beat All playoff teams Without him.
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WTF that got to do with this topic?
Without they best player they beat 4 playoff teams and lost to 1 by 1 point running the same offense the bulls ran when Mj retired.The system is the reason why the bulls did so good and scottie was the leader.People use this as a reason to say scottie is better than he is Imo
If Kobe was out for the season lakers would still win 45-50 games if they can beat the spurs,blazers and jazz without kobe they could dominate the weak nba teams. -
Tommy Billfiger wrote: »Without they best player they beat 4 playoff teams and lost to 1 by 1 point running the same offense the bulls ran when Mj retired.The system is the reason why the bulls did so good and scottie was the leader.People use this as a reason to say scottie is better than he is Imo
If Kobe was out for the season lakers would still win 45-50 games if they can beat the spurs,blazers and jazz without kobe they could dominate the weak nba teams.
Aaahh... Ok I see where you tryin to go.
All I'm sayin is the book that MJ cowrote about his career with the bulls, he devoted a whole chapter to Scottie... And heaped some high praise. I'll take his word for it on how good pippen was. -
Aaahh... Ok I see where you tryin to go.
All I'm sayin is the book that MJ cowrote about his career with the bulls, he devoted a whole chapter to Scottie... And heaped some high praise. I'll take his word for it on how good pippen was.
Yea I aint tryin to knock scottie I know he was a key part to the bulls and him and Mj was close.
I'm just sayin in general his overall numbers are underwhelming,he is a lil overrated compared to other Sf's in history and Playin with Mj made him better in a lot of ways.He was key for the bulls without a doubt but top 50? Or best all around player in history is reachin -
Not at all..
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pippin is VERY overrated, if he was as great as they say he was, he would've averaged 25ppg when jordan left, but he was a 20ppg dude with good defense. he was good but not great. 50 greatest? FUCKOUTTAHERE.
ron artest during his allstar year w/the pacers>>>>pippin -
no pippien isn't overrated.........
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ummmm yeah, uhhhhhhh NO
Pippen is rated exactly how he should be rated
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rap doctor wrote: »ummmm yeah, uhhhhhhh NO
Pippen is rated exactly how he should be rated
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so you think he top 50 and would be the best on any team if it wasnt for jordan? because thats how he seems to be rated by most people and its ? -
Pippen averaged 16ppg 6.4reb 5.2ast 2.0stl .8blk 47%fg for his career and people talk about him like he was playing on LeBron's level. The one thing people never talk about with Pippen is the fact that yes he averaged 17ppg in the playoffs 7.6reb and 5.0ast, but Pippen shot 44% in the playoffs for his career. Pippen shot 39% in the 96 playoffs, Pippen shot 41% in the 97 and 98 playoffs. The first year Pippen played in the playoffs without Jordan after his final run with Da Bulls, Pippen shot 32.9% in the playoffs that year(1999). Pippen only had one season shooting over 50% in the playoffs and that was the 90 playoffs when he made 50.4% of his shots. Other than that, he was a streaky scorer, overrated passer and ball handler, overrated defender, and he only shot 30% from 3 point land to go with 72% free throws for his career in the playoffs.
Pippen shot 40% in the 96,97 and 98 playoffs, name one other player who could will his team to a 3 peat, the way Jordan did, with a sidekick that shot 40% in the playoffs during those 3 championship runs.
These numbers are ether tho.Those are horrible.Make a case for why he's not overrated
Nobody has explained it yet.I dont agree with everything in this article but majority of it is on point -
Tommy Billfiger wrote: »These numbers are ether tho.Those are horrible.Make a case for why he's not overrated
Nobody has explained it yet.I dont agree with everything in this article but majority of it is on point
yeah everyone sayin he not overrated but aint sayin why, its obvious he doesnt have the skills of a superstar just by lookin at the #s -
mdizzle9000 wrote: »yeah everyone sayin he not overrated but aint sayin why, its obvious he doesnt have the skills of a superstar just by lookin at the #s
I been sayin this for years.I grew up watchin pippen dude use to be shook in crunch time he aint want nothin to do with Ft's or clutch shots he deferred everything to MJ.
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Tommy Billfiger wrote: »I been sayin this for years.I grew up watchin pippen dude use to be shook in crunch time he aint want nothin to do with Ft's or clutch shots he deferred everything to MJ.
Imo he is overrated in the overall big picture but he played the perfect role for the bulls.
exactly, but like i said, when jordan left for baseball wtf did pippin do? if he was as great as they say he was he wudda took over, but check the stats and youll see pippin just did the same ? he did wrether jordan was there or not -
mdizzle9000 wrote: »so you think he top 50 and would be the best on any team if it wasnt for jordan? because thats how he seems to be rated by most people and its ?
Who's overrating him? Everybody agrees Jordan gets no rings w/o him which is fact. You say he's not a superstar and maybe not but he was never out of place playing with them. Let's talk about how the only thing that probably stood in his way of two more finals appearances was those Dynasty Laker squads. Let's talk about Pippen putting the team on his back the year Jordan first retired. These are all facts, what's overrated about him -
rap doctor wrote: »Who's overrating him? Everybody agrees Jordan gets no rings w/o him which is fact. You say he's not a superstar and maybe not but he was never out of place playing with them. Let's talk about how the only thing that probably stood in his way of two more finals appearances was those Dynasty Laker squads. Let's talk about Pippen putting the team on his back the year Jordan first retired. These are all facts, what's overrated about him
you just sayin he was a great role player, which i agree with, but he is on the 50 greatest list and people dickride him like he was on jordans level when hes not even on drexlers level. but thanks for indirectly backing up my point. -
Yeah, I dont understand the overrated part. Never heard anyone say he was one of the greats or near Jordans level. But he was a good number 2 scorer behind MJ. Almost got the Blazers to the Finals, but we know the outcome of that.
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I don't think he was overated I think he was what he was a great number 2 that website I got this from had a great kobe and mj comparison as well don't know if I want too post it don't want too hurt kobe stans feelings.
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Pippen was not overrated by any stretch.. he was a Dominant defender.. he averaged about 19 in his Heyday.. he was a stat stuffer.. not just stuffed stats.. but impactful stats.. even in bad games.. consistently.. If we didnt get dicked by.. the ref.. who escapes my mind right now.. who knows.. that was they ear after Jordan left.. He routinely had back problems played throught it.. tough as nails.. master of the glass.. his bank shot was money..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVmSm3FVaFQ