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edited March 2012 in The Social Lounge
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/new-human-species-red-deer-cave_n_1345216.html?ncid=webmail9

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mysterious fossils of what may be a previously unknown type of human have been uncovered in caves in China, ones that possess a highly unusual mix of bygone and modern human features, scientists reveal.

Surprisingly, the fossils are only between 11,500 and 14,500 years old. That means they would have shared the landscape with modern humans when China's earliest farmers were first appearing.

"These new fossils might be of a previously unknown species, one that survived until the very end of the ice age around 11,000 years ago," said researcher Darren Curnoe, a palaeoanthropologist at the University of New South Wales in Australia.

"Alternatively, they might represent a very early and previously unknown migration of modern humans out of Africa, a population who may not have contributed genetically to living people," Curnoe added.

The skeletons

At least three fossil specimens were uncovered in 1989 by miners quarrying limestone at Maludong or Red Deer Cave near the city of Mengzi in southwest China. They remained unstudied until 2008. The scientists are calling them the "Red Deer Cave People," because they cooked extinct red deer in their namesake cave. [Photos of the Red Deer Cave People]


"They clearly had a taste for venison, with evidence they cooked these large deer in the cave," Curnoe said.

Carbon dating, a technique that estimates the radioactive decay of carbon in samples of charcoal found with the fossils helped establish their age. The charcoal also showed they knew how to use fire. Stone artifacts found at the Maludong site also suggest they were toolmakers.

A Chinese geologist found a fourth partial skeleton, which looks very similar to the Maludong fossils, in a cave near the village of Longlin in southwest China in 1979 while prospecting the area for oil. It stayed encased in a block of rock neglected in the basement of an archaeological research institute until 2009, when the international team of scientists rediscovered the fossils.

"In 2009, when I was in China working with co-author Professor Ji Xueping, he showed me the block of rock that contained the skull," Curnoe recalled. "After picking my own jaw up from the floor, we decided we had to make the remains a priority of our research."

Jutting jaws and flaring cheeks

The Stone Age fossils are unusual mosaics of modern and archaic human anatomical features, as well as previously unseen characteristics. This makes them difficult to classify as either a new species or an unusual type of modern human.

For instance, the Red Deer Cave people had long, broad and tall frontal lobes like modern humans. These brain lobes are located immediately behind the forehead, and are linked with personality and behavior.

However, the Red Deer Cave people differ from modernHomo sapiens in their prominent brow ridges, thick skull bones, flat upper faces with a broad nose, jutting jaws that lack a humanlike chin, brains moderate in size by ice age human standards, large molar teeth, and primitively short parietal lobes -- brain lobes at the top of the head associated with sensory data. "These are primitive features seen in our ancestors hundreds of thousands of years ago," Curnoe said. [Learn About the Human Skeleton]

Unique features of the Red Deer Cave people seen neither in modern nor known archaic lineages of humans include a strongly curved forehead bone, very broad nose and eye sockets, and very flat cheeks that flare widely to the sides to make space for large chewing muscles. In addition, the place where the lower jaw forms a joint with the base of the skull is unusually wide and deep.

All in all, the Red Deer Cave people are the youngest population to be found anywhere in the world whose anatomy does not comfortably fit within the range of modern humans, whether they be modern humans from 150 or 150,000 years ago, the researchers noted.

"In short, they're anatomically unique among all members of the human evolutionary tree," Curnoe told LiveScience.
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  • BK Product
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    Very Interesting....
  • bankrupt baller
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    and here i thought cavemen were only white
  • Chike
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    Don't asians worship ancient black people? This could be them. And maybe they weren't cavemen.... they could have been.... ATLANTIANS!!!

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  • whar
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    You guys do know that many ? sapiens and other hominids in Africa lived in caves as well.
  • ThaChozenWun
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    whar wrote: »
    You guys do know that many ? sapiens and other hominids in Africa lived in caves as well.

    Nah B, ? lived in pyramids and golden palaces out chere. Only ? cave demons lived in caves
  • UPTOWN
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    i dont even care about this stupid ass western science anymore. they dont know ? . thats why theyre always "finding" some ? and then guessing wtf it was only to find out years later they were dumb as ? for thinking it
  • Jabu_Rule
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    i dont even care about this stupid ass western science anymore. they dont know ? . thats why theyre always "finding" some ? and then guessing wtf it was only to find out years later they were dumb as ? for thinking it

    How often does this happen? Usually, a new find helps to bolster the complete understanding of an initial finding. This does not change the relevance collected evidence nor the basic foundation of the overall Theory. Also, Egyptians and Mayans practiced science even though it was called science in that time. Mostly, it was under the disguise of religion just like what occurred in Europe.

    I posted some easy links for kids so you can grasp the concept.

    historyforkids.org/learn/egypt/science/index.htm

    kidspast.com/world-history/0276-mayan-science.php
    Science is a body of empirical, theoretical, and practical knowledge about the natural world, produced by researchers making use of scientific methods, which emphasize the observation, explanation, and prediction of real world phenomena by experiment.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science
    Many ancient civilizations collected astronomical information in a systematic manner through simple observation. Though they had no knowledge of the real physical structure of the planets and stars, many theoretical explanations were proposed. Basic facts about human physiology were known in some places, and alchemy was practiced in several civilizations.[9][10] Considerable observation of macrobiotic flora and fauna was also performed.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science#Early_cultures

    Humans practiced science from the first time we put our finger in the fire and realized it was hot and dangerous; yet useful for cooking ? for easier and tastier consumption.

    I'd rather trust someone that admits their faults in the face of evidence, rather then follow blindly while sticking your fingers in your ears with your eyes closed hoping and wishing you're right.

  • JJ 1975
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    Interesting evolutional find here. Doesn't sound too off.