ATL HAWKS offer max money to joe johnson
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YAHOO Calls ATL OFFER TO JOE JOHNSON ONE OF THE WORST CONTRACTS IN NBA HISTORY .....LMAO...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Joe-Johnson-to-sign-a-ridiculous-deal-with-the-A?urn=nba,252877 -
Hawks put the L in "ATL".
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KeepOnPushing wrote: »YAHOO Calls ATL OFFER TO JOE JOHNSON ONE OF THE WORST CONTRACTS IN NBA HISTORY .....LMAO...
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Joe-Johnson-to-sign-a-ridiculous-deal-with-the-A?urn=nba,252877
no homer, but i even think this is worse than the rashard lewis deal
1. we made it to the finals and ecf with shard. the hawks got swept in the second round and still committed to him
2. shards last year is non guaranteed
3. even at 33, shard will be taller than other 4's and still be able to shoot over them. what is a 35 year old joe johnson giving you? -
Joe Johnson two years from Now will be a 17 or 18 ppg scorer........ that aint Max...
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A lot of you ? basketball knowledge being exposed right now SMH. The Hawks really don't have any choice but to sighn JJ back because they have his "Bird Rights" (If you don't know what Bird Rights is..google it). Bird Rights is when a team can go over the cap into the luxury tax to resign their OWN player but nobody else's. This is why Cleveland can offer Lebron the most money, Mia can offer D. Wade the most money, and the Hawks can do the sam with JJ. Teams can offer their OWN players a max contract worth 6-years $119 million, the most other teams can offer in the max is 5-years, $92 million. The purpose is to give teams a better chance at retaining their start player.
I'm saying all of this because if the Hawks let JJ walk, they will only have around $8 million in cap space available to sign anyone else and $8 million is not gonna get you anywhere near the production JJ will bring you; meaning that the Hawks, if they lose JJ will be a 6-7 seed at best in the upcoming season. The best senario for the Hawks if JJ leaves would be a S/T senario so they would get something in return and even that wouldn't net you the production JJ brought, so the Hawks best move in free-agency is basically resigning JJ (at whatever cost).
Word out of Atlanta right now is that the Hawks are going to have a S/T with the Wizards, inwhich they would be trading Josh Childress to Washington for C Javelle McGee. Starting linup next year gonna look like:
C: Javelle McGee
PF: Al Horford
SF: Josh Smith
SG: Joe Johnson
PG: Jeff Teague
Reserves:
Jamal Crawford
Marvin Williams
Jordan Crawford
Mike Bibby
Zaza Pachulia
Mo Evans
Joe Smith (Probably)
or it will be
C: Al Hordford
PF: Josh Smith
SF: Joe Johson
SG: Jamal Crawford
PG: Jeff Teague
What ? also haven't taken into consideration is the terrible coaching of Mike Woodson with his " Iso Joe" offense. Hawks have a new coach that says he will run a never before seen offense that's gonna have NBA defenses ? 'd up. It will be interesting to see how the team perform under a coach with a "real" offensive strategy. -
Johnson will not only decline this season but im pretty sure he'll decline a lot more than anybody else expects. He's half of T-Mac, you'd be better off signing tracy for like 2-3 years at 4-6 mill a year than paying joe all of that money. While having T-mac their, they focus on trying to find a young shooting guard or a solid center to help the team in the long run.
I don't see them moving joe's contract neither, this is and will be a purely bad move in a conference thats expected to shake up considerably -
LMAO the hawks Suck With or without Joe johnson
They will never win a championship he dont care about nothin but money.Thank ? for the simpleton hawks management Johnson is the WOAT Free agent on this market -
freshfromatl wrote: »A lot of you ? basketball knowledge being exposed right now SMH. The Hawks really don't have any choice but to sighn JJ back because they have his "Bird Rights" (If you don't know what Bird Rights is..google it). Bird Rights is when a team can go over the cap into the luxury tax to resign their OWN player but nobody else's. This is why Cleveland can offer Lebron the most money, Mia can offer D. Wade the most money, and the Hawks can do the sam with JJ. Teams can offer their OWN players a max contract worth 6-years $119 million, the most other teams can offer in the max is 5-years, $92 million. The purpose is to give teams a better chance at retaining their start player.
I'm saying all of this because if the Hawks let JJ walk, they will only have around $8 million in cap space available to sign anyone else and $8 million is not gonna get you anywhere near the production JJ will bring you; meaning that the Hawks, if they lose JJ will be a 6-7 seed at best in the upcoming season. The best senario for the Hawks if JJ leaves would be a S/T senario so they would get something in return and even that wouldn't net you the production JJ brought, so the Hawks best move in free-agency is basically resigning JJ (at whatever cost).
Word out of Atlanta right now is that the Hawks are going to have a S/T with the Wizards, inwhich they would be trading Josh Childress to Washington for C Javelle McGee. Starting linup next year gonna look like:
C: Javelle McGee
PF: Al Horford
SF: Josh Smith
SG: Joe Johnson
PG: Jeff Teague
Reserves:
Jamal Crawford
Marvin Williams
Jordan Crawford
Mike Bibby
Zaza Pachulia
Mo Evans
Joe Smith (Probably)
or it will be
C: Al Hordford
PF: Josh Smith
SF: Joe Johson
SG: Jamal Crawford
PG: Jeff Teague
the wizards aready have like 8 or so guards they have that they can sign for cheap right now....why wold they give up a nice young center for another guard who will just barely get them to the playoffs? -
They had to sign JJ to remain competitive but with that said they should have let the market dictate his worth, if other teams offered around 70 million then they could easily give him a lil more than that and keep him. They need a big man too, Jermaine O'Neal would be a nice fit.
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They had to sign JJ to remain competitive but with that said they should have let the market dictate his worth, if other teams offered around 70 million then they could easily give him a lil more than that and keep him. They need a big man too, Jermaine O'Neal would be a nice fit.
Minus well just leave the team as is......O'neal stays Hurt and is on the decline , his numbers wont be much different that Al Horfod.. -
Johnson will not only decline this season but im pretty sure he'll decline a lot more than anybody else expects. He's half of T-Mac, you'd be better off signing tracy for like 2-3 years at 4-6 mill a year than paying joe all of that money. While having T-mac their, they focus on trying to find a young shooting guard or a solid center to help the team in the long run.
I don't see them moving joe's contract neither, this is and will be a purely bad move in a conference thats expected to shake up considerably
Bruh teams are always out to buy expiring contracts and ? they think can help put their team over the ? . See: NY Knicks, Cle Cavs, and ever other team (all of them) that have tried to free cap-space by buing expiring contracts. -
the wizards aready have like 8 or so guards they have that they can sign for cheap right now....why wold they give up a nice young center for another guard who will just barely get them to the playoffs?
Bruh I'm not thier management. Also Josh Childress is a Small Foward that can ALSO play SG and PG at different spots in the game. -
freshfromatl wrote: »Bruh teams are always out to buy expiring contracts and ? they think can help put their team over the ? . See: NY Knicks, Cle Cavs, and ever other team (all of them) that have tried to free cap-space by buing expiring contracts.
but his contract doesn't expire for a good few years...and who elses contract expires this season that wiould be worth trading for? -
KeepOnPushing wrote: »Minus well just leave the team as is......O'neal stays Hurt and is on the decline , his numbers wont be much different that Al Horfod..
He has been fairly healthy these last two seasons in Miami. He averaged 13 points and 7 rebounds last season. He wouldn't be needed to do much though, he would bang down low with bigs like Dwight, Bogut, Bynum, Shaq, Lopez etc, while giving them a decent back to the basket post player and an extra shot blocker and rebounder to put next to Horford. This move would put Josh Smith at his natural SF position and this move would put Marvin Williams on the bench where he belongs. -
They had to sign JJ to remain competitive but with that said they should have let the market dictate his worth, if other teams offered around 70 million then they could easily give him a lil more than that and keep him. They need a big man too, Jermaine O'Neal would be a nice fit.
I agree with this. Good post bruh because a lot of ? talking but don't fully understand the situation. -
freshfromatl wrote: »Bruh I'm not thier management. Also Josh Childress is a Small Foward that can ALSO play SG and PG at different spots in the game.
exactly, josh childress has been said to benefit from his overseas play. Why not try him at sg on your own team and just let johnson go? even if they get to the playoffs they won;'t win any thing outside the first maybe second round...might as well try something else instead of shelling out the worse contract in recent years -
i cant see childress for mcgee happening. washington has no centers on their roster and mcgees contract is dirt cheap
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but his contract doesn't expire for a good few years...and who elses contract expires this season that wiould be worth trading for?
Thats the thing. During the first three years, his contract is not goona be that much of a difference than what he's getting now. He's already getting about $15 million a year. Years 4-6 is when he will be getting $20+. He's not the type of player that's going to get injured so the question is production. Once he stop producing major numbers, their will always be a team in playoff contention that is willing to take on a contract if they feel that is the player that would help them to a championship. Similar to what the Cavs did with Shaq and Jamison. -
Also their was only three players that averaged 20 pts, 5 rebs, 5 assists this year. Lebron, Wade, and JJ.
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exactly, josh childress has been said to benefit from his overseas play. Why not try him at sg on your own team and just let johnson go? even if they get to the playoffs they won;'t win any thing outside the first maybe second round...might as well try something else instead of shelling out the worse contract in recent years
Thats one hell of an "IF" bruh. If anything they will just keep Childress & Joe, and see how the same team + Childress & Jordan Crawford performs under a new coach with a better offensive strategy other than "Iso Joe".. I also like Jamaica's idea of adding Jermaine O'Neal to the team. -
freshfromatl wrote: »Thats the thing. During the first three years, his contract is not goona be that much of a difference than what he's getting now. He's already getting about $15 million a year. Years 4-6 is when he will be getting $20+. He's not the type of player that's going to get injured so the question is production. Once he stop producing major numbers, their will always be a team in playoff contention that is willing to take on a contract if they feel that is the player that would help them to a championship. Similar to what the Cavs did with Shaq and Jamison.
Anybody can get injured and thats always a risk in contracts. Them signing more guys or taking on contracts = hindered by still having joe johnson have to have the ball in his hands all the time and soak up 38 + minutes JUST to get 20 - 5- 4
ALSO, tyreke evans wa spulling down 20 - 5- 5 and is younger and had even less pieces than joe johnson who has Smitty, Bibby, JAMAL CRAWFORD, and Horford all available...Johnson is a decent 2nd man on a star team but as a star himself? Will never make up that money with sucess for that team. -
freshfromatl wrote: »Also their was only three players that averaged 20 pts, 5 rebs, 5 assists this year. Lebron, Wade, and JJ.
Stop Stop Stop Stop ...This is When the part of "Stats dont tell the whole story" take place. -
I'd rather have Crawford coming of the bench and sharing minutes with Jordan Crawford and maybe even Josh Childress who, liek you said, can push the 1-2-and 3 pretty good. Thats cheaper and i promise could get them to the eastern conference playoffs all awhile saving 8 mill under the cap which would be enough to sign a guy next season or trade for something this season...
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Anybody can get injured and thats always a risk in contracts. Them signing more guys or taking on contracts = hindered by still having joe johnson have to have the ball in his hands all the time and soak up 38 + minutes JUST to get 20 - 5- 4
ALSO, tyreke evans wa spulling down 20 - 5- 5 and is younger and had even less pieces than joe johnson who has Smitty, Bibby, JAMAL CRAWFORD, and Horford all available...Johnson is a decent 2nd man on a star team but as a star himself? Will never make up that money with sucess for that team.
I agree, I don't thinik he's a true number 1 neither. But under a new coach with a far superior offensive strategy that "ISO JOE" who knows? -
freshfromatl wrote: »I agree, I don't thinik he's a true number 1 neither. But under a new coach with a far superior offensive strategy that "ISO JOE" who knows?
The coach is the only thing that COULD make this deal worth something. But Stan Van Gundy is a great coach and he couldn't make Rashard's contract even seem like he was worth half of the money he got...what do you think a new coach could do with Joe Johnson who chocked in the playoffs last year, called the fans useless, and emanded max money and got it PLUS he's gonna be on an eventual down turn between this year and every year his contract rolls on?
