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How to Make a Guardians of the Galaxy Movie Work
How can Marvel do right by this colorful band of space adventurers?
by Jesse Schedeen JUNE 29, 2012
One of the big mysteries involving Marvel Studios' upcoming movie plans is what secret film is being prepped for Summer 2014. We know that Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 are hitting next year, with Captain America 2 to follow in spring 2014. But what's next?
We finally got our answer yesterday, when multiple sources reported that Guardians of the Galaxy will follow Captain America 2. Marvel's official announcement is said to be forthcoming at SDCC. This is certainly an interesting choice – one that will push the Marvel Cinematic Universe into more heavily science fiction-influenced territory after a string of superhero films.
But can a Guardians movie work? Will audiences respond to these characters as easily as they did heroes like Iron Man and Captain America? Just who the heck are the Guardians, anyway? As we wait for the official unveiling at SDCC next month, we've decided to take a look at this unique team of space-faring heroes and what they can bring to the table in the build-up to The Avengers 2.
Who Are the Guardians?
The Guardians of the Galaxy don't exactly have the name recognition of teams like the Avengers or the X-Men. And until recently, this team wasn't really at the forefront of the cosmic conflicts in the Marvel Universe.
The Guardians first debuted in 1969. However, this incarnation of the team dwelt in the 31st Century. Its members included the endlessly resurrecting Starhawk, the “noble savage” Yondu Udonta, the elite soldier Captain Charlie-27, and Major Victory. This last character is actually a time-displaced version of Justice, an Avenger from the present-day Marvel Universe.
It was only a few years ago that Marvel introduced a new version of the Guardians in the 21st Century. This team formed in the wake of ? , interstellar wars with villains like Annihilus and Ultron. Star-Lord, an Earthling-turned intergalactic police officer, assembled a group of cosmic heroes that included Adam Warlock, Quasar, and Drax the Destroyer. Their mission was to protect the universe from any threats that might further destabilize the fabric of space and time. These Guardians took their name from the 31st Century team. If you're wondering how that's possible, welcome to superhero comics.
It's a safe bet that the movie will focus on the present-day Guardians. For one thing, there's little reason to prioritize a Guardians of the Galaxy film over a Hulk sequel or Ant-Man if the movie is going to be separated from the rest of Marvel's cinematic universe by a thousand years. For another, we've seen Star-Lord's Guardians pop up in various places this year, including the Avengers Assemble comic series and the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes animated series. It seems Marvel's writers are already working to increase public awareness of these characters.
A Smaller Roster
One of the big challenges with ensemble superhero movies is the need to provide all characters with a proper amount of screen time. In a worst case scenario, you wind up with something like the X-Men movies, which were preoccupied with Wolverine to the detriment of nearly every other character. Even The Avengers didn't offer a perfect team balance, as Hawkeye felt ignored compared to the other five teammates.
With less recognition value and no prior movies to introduce these characters, it's all the more important for Guardians of the Galaxy to find that proper team balance. The script will need to trim down the roster to a manageable handful of characters. Some of the characters would be redundant in the context of a two-hour film anyway. The movie doesn't need Bug to provide comic relief when Star-Lord himself is already a master of wisecracks and one-liners. Warlock and Quasar have the mystical side of things wrapped up, meaning there's no need to include the telepathically-gifted Mantis.
The script should largely focus on the characters who have the most relevance to the larger cosmic storyline Marvel Studios is building. For instance, Drax the Destroyer is a being created for the sole purpose of killing Thanos. With Thanos stepping onto the stage, it only makes sense for Drax to do the same. Warlock is another character whose history is closely tied to that of Thanos, and we'd be surprised if he wasn't one of the central players in this movie.
And, of course, there are Rocket Raccoon and Groot. One is a militant, gun-toting space raccoon. The other is a giant tree who only speaks one sentence. Together, they're the greatest action hero pairing in the galaxy. Their inclusion isn't up for debate. No two Guardians better personify the fun and wackiness the franchise promises. Throw in Cosmo the talking space dog and the movie is practically guaranteed to out-gross Titanic.
The Guardians' roster in the aforementioned episode of Earth's Mightiest Heroes included Star-Lord, Rocket Raccoon, Groot, Quasar, and Adam Warlock. We hope to see a similarly confined group of characters for the movie. Most importantly, the team needs the same razor-sharp, endlessly amusing team dynamic that made The Avengers such a joy to watch.
A Cosmic Balance
Recent Marvel Studios movies have been slowly pulling back the curtain and exposing viewers to the wider scope of the Marvel Universe. Thor introduced the Asgardians and the idea that Earthlings weren't alone in the cosmos. The Avengers brought the Chitauri and Thanos into the picture. Guardians of the Galaxy is likely going to be the tipping point where viewers finally get a true sense of just how vast and colorful the Marvel Universe can be.
We hope the movie will show us some of the other races and beings that inhabit the galaxy. We've glimpsed Thanos, but what about the other Titans in his family? What about the great intergalactic empires of the Marvel Universe, like the Kree or the Skrulls? Are the Chitauri the same race as the shape-shifting Skrulls, or is there an entirely different conflict brewing there?
Some aspects of Marvel's cosmic lineup may be off limits for Marvel Studios (Galactus, the Shi'ar, etc., who belong to the Fox-owned Fantastic Four and X-Men movie franchises, respectively). Even so, there's plenty of good material here to mine. Guardians of the Galaxy can be a litmus test for audiences, introducing new characters and concepts and allowing Marvel to analyze which ones fans respond to the most.
At the same time, Marvel needs to keep in mind that this expansion to cosmic scale is still a process. It won't do to overwhelm viewers with new characters and otherworldly settings and completely ignore the elements that were so popular in previous movies. We'd like to see at least a portion of the film take place on Earth. Maybe even include a few Avengers cameos. If new villains are threatening the cosmos, it would make sense that Nick Fury would want to stay apprised of the situation. Now may even be a good time to introduce S.H.I.E.L.D.'s space-oriented offshoot, S.W.O.R.D.
Interstellar hijinks are important, but viewers should never forget that they're watching an extension of the Avengers films. With several Guardians originally hailing from Earth, this shouldn't be too difficult to manage.
How can Marvel do right by this colorful band of space adventurers?
by Jesse Schedeen JUNE 29, 2012
One of the big mysteries involving Marvel Studios' upcoming movie plans is what secret film is being prepped for Summer 2014. We know that Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 are hitting next year, with Captain America 2 to follow in spring 2014. But what's next?
We finally got our answer yesterday, when multiple sources reported that Guardians of the Galaxy will follow Captain America 2. Marvel's official announcement is said to be forthcoming at SDCC. This is certainly an interesting choice – one that will push the Marvel Cinematic Universe into more heavily science fiction-influenced territory after a string of superhero films.
But can a Guardians movie work? Will audiences respond to these characters as easily as they did heroes like Iron Man and Captain America? Just who the heck are the Guardians, anyway? As we wait for the official unveiling at SDCC next month, we've decided to take a look at this unique team of space-faring heroes and what they can bring to the table in the build-up to The Avengers 2.
Who Are the Guardians?
The Guardians of the Galaxy don't exactly have the name recognition of teams like the Avengers or the X-Men. And until recently, this team wasn't really at the forefront of the cosmic conflicts in the Marvel Universe.
The Guardians first debuted in 1969. However, this incarnation of the team dwelt in the 31st Century. Its members included the endlessly resurrecting Starhawk, the “noble savage” Yondu Udonta, the elite soldier Captain Charlie-27, and Major Victory. This last character is actually a time-displaced version of Justice, an Avenger from the present-day Marvel Universe.
It was only a few years ago that Marvel introduced a new version of the Guardians in the 21st Century. This team formed in the wake of ? , interstellar wars with villains like Annihilus and Ultron. Star-Lord, an Earthling-turned intergalactic police officer, assembled a group of cosmic heroes that included Adam Warlock, Quasar, and Drax the Destroyer. Their mission was to protect the universe from any threats that might further destabilize the fabric of space and time. These Guardians took their name from the 31st Century team. If you're wondering how that's possible, welcome to superhero comics.
It's a safe bet that the movie will focus on the present-day Guardians. For one thing, there's little reason to prioritize a Guardians of the Galaxy film over a Hulk sequel or Ant-Man if the movie is going to be separated from the rest of Marvel's cinematic universe by a thousand years. For another, we've seen Star-Lord's Guardians pop up in various places this year, including the Avengers Assemble comic series and the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes animated series. It seems Marvel's writers are already working to increase public awareness of these characters.
A Smaller Roster
One of the big challenges with ensemble superhero movies is the need to provide all characters with a proper amount of screen time. In a worst case scenario, you wind up with something like the X-Men movies, which were preoccupied with Wolverine to the detriment of nearly every other character. Even The Avengers didn't offer a perfect team balance, as Hawkeye felt ignored compared to the other five teammates.
With less recognition value and no prior movies to introduce these characters, it's all the more important for Guardians of the Galaxy to find that proper team balance. The script will need to trim down the roster to a manageable handful of characters. Some of the characters would be redundant in the context of a two-hour film anyway. The movie doesn't need Bug to provide comic relief when Star-Lord himself is already a master of wisecracks and one-liners. Warlock and Quasar have the mystical side of things wrapped up, meaning there's no need to include the telepathically-gifted Mantis.
The script should largely focus on the characters who have the most relevance to the larger cosmic storyline Marvel Studios is building. For instance, Drax the Destroyer is a being created for the sole purpose of killing Thanos. With Thanos stepping onto the stage, it only makes sense for Drax to do the same. Warlock is another character whose history is closely tied to that of Thanos, and we'd be surprised if he wasn't one of the central players in this movie.
And, of course, there are Rocket Raccoon and Groot. One is a militant, gun-toting space raccoon. The other is a giant tree who only speaks one sentence. Together, they're the greatest action hero pairing in the galaxy. Their inclusion isn't up for debate. No two Guardians better personify the fun and wackiness the franchise promises. Throw in Cosmo the talking space dog and the movie is practically guaranteed to out-gross Titanic.
The Guardians' roster in the aforementioned episode of Earth's Mightiest Heroes included Star-Lord, Rocket Raccoon, Groot, Quasar, and Adam Warlock. We hope to see a similarly confined group of characters for the movie. Most importantly, the team needs the same razor-sharp, endlessly amusing team dynamic that made The Avengers such a joy to watch.
A Cosmic Balance
Recent Marvel Studios movies have been slowly pulling back the curtain and exposing viewers to the wider scope of the Marvel Universe. Thor introduced the Asgardians and the idea that Earthlings weren't alone in the cosmos. The Avengers brought the Chitauri and Thanos into the picture. Guardians of the Galaxy is likely going to be the tipping point where viewers finally get a true sense of just how vast and colorful the Marvel Universe can be.
We hope the movie will show us some of the other races and beings that inhabit the galaxy. We've glimpsed Thanos, but what about the other Titans in his family? What about the great intergalactic empires of the Marvel Universe, like the Kree or the Skrulls? Are the Chitauri the same race as the shape-shifting Skrulls, or is there an entirely different conflict brewing there?
Some aspects of Marvel's cosmic lineup may be off limits for Marvel Studios (Galactus, the Shi'ar, etc., who belong to the Fox-owned Fantastic Four and X-Men movie franchises, respectively). Even so, there's plenty of good material here to mine. Guardians of the Galaxy can be a litmus test for audiences, introducing new characters and concepts and allowing Marvel to analyze which ones fans respond to the most.
At the same time, Marvel needs to keep in mind that this expansion to cosmic scale is still a process. It won't do to overwhelm viewers with new characters and otherworldly settings and completely ignore the elements that were so popular in previous movies. We'd like to see at least a portion of the film take place on Earth. Maybe even include a few Avengers cameos. If new villains are threatening the cosmos, it would make sense that Nick Fury would want to stay apprised of the situation. Now may even be a good time to introduce S.H.I.E.L.D.'s space-oriented offshoot, S.W.O.R.D.
Interstellar hijinks are important, but viewers should never forget that they're watching an extension of the Avengers films. With several Guardians originally hailing from Earth, this shouldn't be too difficult to manage.
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Involving Thanos
The mid-credits sequence in The Avengers gave one significant hint about the future of Marvel's Cinematic Universe – Thanos is plotting against the Avengers. While presumably this means Thanos will be the major villain in The Avengers 2 down the road, it's been suggested that we may see more of the Mad Titan along the way. One interesting theory floating around the Internet is that the Chitauri invasion in The Avengers was really just an elaborate ruse to get Loki sent back to Asgard. Once there, Loki can sneak into Odin's armory and steal the real object of Thanos' desire – the Infinity Gauntlet.
Guardians of the Galaxy is rumored to involve Thanos in some form as well. As mentioned, several of the characters on the team have direct ties to Thanos, so this makes sense. But will he serve as the villain of the movie or something else?
Latino Review suggested that the movie is inspired by a storyline called The Thanos Imperative. If true, this would actually make Thanos an ally of the Guardians rather than an enemy. The Thanos Imperative depicted a conflict with Thanos and the Guardians defending the universe against an invading force of Lovecraftian monsters called the Many-Angled Ones. These creatures had expanded and consumed all resources in their home dimension, and they saw the Marvel Universe as a logical expansion point. But as the Avatar of Death for the Marvel Universe, Thanos was the only being capable of halting their expansion.
Frankly, we're not convinced The Thanos Imperative is a logical source of inspiration given how little moviegoers have seen of the villain so far. Why depict Thanos as a reluctant hero before you've had the opportunity to establish him as a monumental villain? At best, the source material would have to be heavily modified to fit the framework of these movies.
But whatever the case, we do hope this movie is used as an opportunity to explore and define Thanos' character. Hero or villain, we want to see what makes him tick and learn more about his twisted fascination with Death. And if The Avengers 2 is going to adapt a major Thanos-centric storyline like The Infinity Gauntlet, now would be a good time to lay the groundwork.
Other Potential Villains
We don't necessarily picture Thanos being the lead villain of Guardians of the Galaxy if he's also intended to battle the Avengers in their next film. But if this movie is intended to showcase a wider range of cosmic characters, there's no shortage of worthy villains to battle the team.
One character we wouldn't mind seeing is Michael Korvac. In the comics, Korvac is a human from the 31st Century who is experimented upon and eventually receives godlike powers. Naturally, his mind wasn't really equipped for the transformation. He battled the Avengers and the 31st Century version of the Guardians before finally being defeated.
The episode “Michael Korvac” in Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes showed how this storyline could easily be adapted to include the contemporary Guardians rather than the futuristic ones. This would also nicely address the problem of needing to keep part of the film grounded on Earth while also showcasing the wider scope of the Marvel Universe.
If Adam Warlock is going to be a major player in the movie, it might make sense to include his dark alter-ego Magus as a villain. Warlock's power comes from a Soul Gem embedded in his forehead (similar to the gems that power the Infinity Gauntlet). Magus is Warlock's future self, driven insane by his overuse of the Gem.
Another common foe the Guardians have faced is the Church of Universal Truth, an organization started by Magus himself. This sinister church has trillions of worshipers across the universe, and they've developed technology that can harness the energy of faith to power weapons of mass destruction.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/29/how-to-make-a-guardians-of-the-galaxy-movie-work -
Adam warlock and quasar are needed for that thanos scrap! Nice drop family!!
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Involving Thanos
The mid-credits sequence in The Avengers gave one significant hint about the future of Marvel's Cinematic Universe – Thanos is plotting against the Avengers. While presumably this means Thanos will be the major villain in The Avengers 2 down the road, it's been suggested that we may see more of the Mad Titan along the way. One interesting theory floating around the Internet is that the Chitauri invasion in The Avengers was really just an elaborate ruse to get Loki sent back to Asgard. Once there, Loki can sneak into Odin's armory and steal the real object of Thanos' desire – the Infinity Gauntlet.
Guardians of the Galaxy is rumored to involve Thanos in some form as well. As mentioned, several of the characters on the team have direct ties to Thanos, so this makes sense. But will he serve as the villain of the movie or something else?
Latino Review suggested that the movie is inspired by a storyline called The Thanos Imperative. If true, this would actually make Thanos an ally of the Guardians rather than an enemy. The Thanos Imperative depicted a conflict with Thanos and the Guardians defending the universe against an invading force of Lovecraftian monsters called the Many-Angled Ones. These creatures had expanded and consumed all resources in their home dimension, and they saw the Marvel Universe as a logical expansion point. But as the Avatar of Death for the Marvel Universe, Thanos was the only being capable of halting their expansion.
Frankly, we're not convinced The Thanos Imperative is a logical source of inspiration given how little moviegoers have seen of the villain so far. Why depict Thanos as a reluctant hero before you've had the opportunity to establish him as a monumental villain? At best, the source material would have to be heavily modified to fit the framework of these movies.
But whatever the case, we do hope this movie is used as an opportunity to explore and define Thanos' character. Hero or villain, we want to see what makes him tick and learn more about his twisted fascination with Death. And if The Avengers 2 is going to adapt a major Thanos-centric storyline like The Infinity Gauntlet, now would be a good time to lay the groundwork.
Other Potential Villains
We don't necessarily picture Thanos being the lead villain of Guardians of the Galaxy if he's also intended to battle the Avengers in their next film. But if this movie is intended to showcase a wider range of cosmic characters, there's no shortage of worthy villains to battle the team.
One character we wouldn't mind seeing is Michael Korvac. In the comics, Korvac is a human from the 31st Century who is experimented upon and eventually receives godlike powers. Naturally, his mind wasn't really equipped for the transformation. He battled the Avengers and the 31st Century version of the Guardians before finally being defeated.
The episode “Michael Korvac” in Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes showed how this storyline could easily be adapted to include the contemporary Guardians rather than the futuristic ones. This would also nicely address the problem of needing to keep part of the film grounded on Earth while also showcasing the wider scope of the Marvel Universe.
If Adam Warlock is going to be a major player in the movie, it might make sense to include his dark alter-ego Magus as a villain. Warlock's power comes from a Soul Gem embedded in his forehead (similar to the gems that power the Infinity Gauntlet). Magus is Warlock's future self, driven insane by his overuse of the Gem.
Another common foe the Guardians have faced is the Church of Universal Truth, an organization started by Magus himself. This sinister church has trillions of worshipers across the universe, and they've developed technology that can harness the energy of faith to power weapons of mass destruction.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/29/how-to-make-a-guardians-of-the-galaxy-movie-work
On behalf of the GAWD himself Thanos AKA The Mad Titan BKA I'll Smack your Favorite Reality its about time this ? got some shine. One of the most enigmatic and charismatic villains ever needs to be cast perfectly...dude needs to have mad presence on screen (n/h). They need to go the Avatar route and motion capture everything. -
Im pretty bummed theres no BP movie....
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Lou Cypher wrote: »Im pretty bummed theres no BP movie....
But if they make a dope ass GG movie I'll be cool.
I'm pretty sure the only way a BP movie will be made is if a Black studio purchases the license from Marvel
like Wesley did with Blade. Lookin at you Hudlin! -
I knew black panther wasn't gonna happen...I said it in the other thread about the BP movie..
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Makes sense shoulda seen it coming, Marve pressed Capcom into putting Rocket Raccoon, Nova and Super Skrull into Marvel vs Capcom 3 for a reason. (same with Dr Strange) they all got movies coming
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no t'challa?? like they cant do both films....shoulda known they been stallin on the panther film almost 2 decades now.....wesley wanted to play panther before he wanted blade
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Ummm where exactly does it say that BP was scrapped??
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Ummm where exactly does it say that BP was scrapped??
Wasnt the story that theyre putting out 2 films in 2014?
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bcotton2000@yahoo.co wrote: »
Thor 2 and Cap 2...but we already knew this BP wasnt slated for after those two anyways. -
This dosent say anything about no bp, and ill believe stan lee over these guys, he said it was up next it was up next
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This dosent say anything about no bp, and ill believe stan lee over these guys, he said it was up next it was up next
LOL. Stan Lee has zero power and he aint even caking off these movies. He dont get any kind of royalites and has no ownership. They toss him a producer credit in name only and cut him a one time check for each movie.
Anyway, Black Panther may not be canned forever, but it was slated to be the second 2014 movie. Thats all Marvel has plans for/announced. Through 2014. Now its not. Guardians of the Galaxy took its place.
2013
Iron Man 3
Thor 2
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i'm glad it ain't coming out. If it most likely would of came out, they would of wacked that ? up by having his best friend a white guy, or have his love interest white. and change alot of things,to where it won't seem like a "Black Movie"
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Bawse D.Lox wrote: »i'm glad it ain't coming out. If it most likely would of came out, they would of wacked that ? up by having his best friend a white guy, or have his love interest white. and change alot of things,to where it won't seem like a "Black Movie"
Why in the world would they want to make BP a "Black" movie....what kind of dumb ? is that?
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He trollin
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Of course
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let me break it down 4 u toddlers
Main Character : Black
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Setting: Takes Place In Wikanda, Ie; All Black City/Town/Nation w/e
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Black Movie
any body remembered, Act Like A Lady Think Like A Man being banned in France??
anybody remembered, white people's reaction, when they had Lenny Kravitz, and that lil girl in the Hunger Games?
any body remember when Micheal Jai White did Spawn?Although the film was based on the comic book series, some details were changed for the theatrical version of Spawn. Terry Fitzgerald, Al Simmons' best friend in his former life, a black man in the comic, was played by D. B. Sweeney, a white man, in the film. McFarlane has explained that this was done by the studio to avoid having too many black leads and creating a perception the film was aimed at just a black target audience
i rest my case.
Black Panther probably got pulled, due to the studio's many attempts in diversifying the movie. which would of ? with the quality in making Black Panther a good movie. so the directors said ? it.
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it's a Hollywood thing.
BP is about a black man in the lead and a super hero. in Hollywood, that equals a box office bomb.
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as a non comic book dude this guardians ? looks super wack
sad but ture as both posters above me have mentioned a black super hero movie will bomb. white folks won't go and see it. -
it's a Hollywood thing.
BP is about a black man in the lead and a super hero. in Hollywood, that equals a box office bomb.
see Red Tails
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lion_heart wrote: »
Movie took a lossBox Office
Budget:
$58,000,000 (estimated)
Opening Weekend:
$18,782,154 (USA) (22 January 2012) (2512 Screens)
Gross:
$49,875,589 (USA) (3 June 2012)
DVD sales and rentals will help, but just barely.
George Lucas knew white folks weren't going to see it and he said it during his interviews leading up to the premiere of the film. He basically said Hollywood and America is racially biased toward and won't support an all black cast, a film with a little known black lead actor, or anything dealing with black issues. He stuck his neck out and put his Hollywood reputation on the line to do this film. And everything he said about white Hollywood and America is true. Yet, a movie about computer animated blue people from another galaxy is the top grossing film of all time.
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? up if they don't release BP. Dude's a part of the Avengers.
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lion_heart wrote: »
Movie took a lossBox Office
Budget:
$58,000,000 (estimated)
Opening Weekend:
$18,782,154 (USA) (22 January 2012) (2512 Screens)
Gross:
$49,875,589 (USA) (3 June 2012)
DVD sales and rentals will help, but just barely.
Spielberg knew white folks weren't going to see it and he said it during his interviews leading up to the premiere of the film. He basically said Hollywood and America is racially biased toward and won't support an all black cast, a film with a little known black lead actor, or anything dealing with black issues. He stuck his neck out and put his Hollywood reputation on the line to do this film. And everything he said about white Hollywood and America is true. Yet, a movie about computer animated blue people from another galaxy is the top grossing film of all time.
I understand what you're saying, but at the same time let's not disregard difference in genre. I'd watch Avengers over Red Tails because it's a more entertaining movie. That's what people go to the movies for. They aren't trying to make a political statement. They just want to have a good time. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »lion_heart wrote: »
Movie took a lossBox Office
Budget:
$58,000,000 (estimated)
Opening Weekend:
$18,782,154 (USA) (22 January 2012) (2512 Screens)
Gross:
$49,875,589 (USA) (3 June 2012)
DVD sales and rentals will help, but just barely.
Spielberg knew white folks weren't going to see it and he said it during his interviews leading up to the premiere of the film. He basically said Hollywood and America is racially biased toward and won't support an all black cast, a film with a little known black lead actor, or anything dealing with black issues. He stuck his neck out and put his Hollywood reputation on the line to do this film. And everything he said about white Hollywood and America is true. Yet, a movie about computer animated blue people from another galaxy is the top grossing film of all time.
I understand what you're saying, but at the same time let's not disregard difference in genre. I'd watch Avengers over Red Tails because it's a more entertaining movie. That's what people go to the movies for. They aren't trying to make a political statement. They just want to have a good time.
The racial message was just a sidenote in the movie. It was brought up that ? pilots weren't good enough to fly bomber missions, which they proved otherwise, but the main thing about the movie was the actions scenes for the aerial dog fights, the military strategy about how missions are assigned, and the love story for one of the pilots. this movie wasn't political or trying to get a point across at all. It didn't scream at you like a Spike Lee Joint.
