Anti-Creationists......time to speak your clout
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I don't play around nor do I ? around.....
Deep concentration, cuz I'm no comedian
Jokers are wild if you wanna be tamed
I treat you like a child then you're gonna be named
Another enemy, not even a friend of me
Cuz you'll get fried in the end when you pretend to be
Competin' cuz I just put your mind on pause
But soon you start to suffer, the tune'll get rougher
When you start to stutter that's when you had enuff of
Biting, it'll make you choke, you can't provoke
You can't cope, you should've broke because I ain't no joke
You like to exaggerate, dream and imaginate
Then change the rhyme around, that can aggravate me
So when you see me come up, freeze
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In biological nomenclature, a type species is the species to which the name of a genus is permanently linked....
Drosophila mojavensis: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila mojavensis
Drosophila arizonae: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila arizonae
Genus: Panthera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panthera
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Species: Panthera Leo (lion)
Species: Panthera Onca (jaguar)
Species: Panthera Pardus (leopard)
Species: Panthera Tigris (tiger) >>> Different Species; Of Same Genus
(If you go up from species to genus to subfam to fam, to order, and so on, you can track the evolutionary process, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantherinae, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felidae, and there's a nice graph for you here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feliformia)
likewise
Genus: Drosophila
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila
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Species: Mojavensis
Species: Melanogaster
Species: Immigrans
Species: Simulans
Species: Funebris
Species: Subobscura >>> Different Species; Of Same GenusDrosophila is a type species ? .....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila
Click the link, look on the right side of the screen under the image of repleta. It gives you the scientific classification of Drosophila. Under that, you'll see a link that says type species (don't click it; look below the link). As an example of species, wikipedia listed Musca Funebris. If you click the name M. Funebris, you are taken to a page that reads:Drosophila funebris is a species of fruit fly. It was originally described by Johan Christian Fabricius in 1787, and placed in the genus Musca but is now the type species of the paraphyletic genus Drosophila.
Funebris is the type species, Drosophila is the genus -
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For the LAST time......
In biological nomenclature, a type species is the species to which the name of a genus is permanently linked....
Drosophila mojavensis: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila mojavensis
Drosophila arizonae: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila arizonae
"The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen."
"In zoological nomenclature, the type of a species (or subspecies) is a specimen (or series of specimens), the type of a genus (or subgenus) is a species, and the type of a suprageneric taxon (e.g., family, etc.) is a genus. Names higher than superfamily rank do not have types."
LOL @ you herbs.....
I knew you were a punk-ass white boy......
Thanks for the confirmation ........
Play semantics with @Whar, crakker......
And keep hiding from reality.......
"In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally
mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the
simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in
turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental
abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched
wings, duplicated bristles, etc.6 Such malformations hardly
inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged
evolutionary change."
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Moving on....
“This concept of ‘junk DNA’ is really not accurate. It is an outdated metaphor,” said Richard Myers of the HudsonAlpha Institute for Biotechnology in Alabama.
‘Junk DNA’ concept debunked by new analysis of human genome.
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Read my last four posts again, @bambu and let that ? burn slowlyI knew you were a punk-ass white boy......
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/239178/okay-time-to-put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is-rnr/p1I have European heritage...
seems as if you are the white boy @bambu
Haha.. Do you hate yourself? Do you cry at night?
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Pay close attention, duke. I'm giving you this lesson for freeFor the LAST time......
In biological nomenclature, a type species is the species to which the name of a genus is permanently linked....
Drosophila mojavensis: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila mojavensis
Drosophila arizonae: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila arizonae
"The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen."
"In zoological nomenclature, the type of a species (or subspecies) is a specimen (or series of specimens), the type of a genus (or subgenus) is a species, and the type of a suprageneric taxon (e.g., family, etc.) is a genus. Names higher than superfamily rank do not have types."
Genus: Panthera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panthera
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Species: Panthera Leo (lion)
Species: Panthera Onca (jaguar)
Species: Panthera Pardus (leopard)
Species: Panthera Tigris (tiger) >>> Different Species; Of Same Genus
likewise
Genus: Drosophila
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila
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Species: Mojavensis
Species: Melanogaster
Species: Immigrans
Species: Simulans
Species: Funebris
Species: Subobscura >>> Different Species; Of Same Genus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila
Click the link, look on the right side of the screen under the image of repleta. It gives you the scientific classification of Drosophila. Under that, you'll see a link that says type species (don't click it; look below the link). As an example of species, wikipedia listed Musca Funebris. If you click the name M. Funebris, you are taken to a page that reads:Drosophila funebris is a species of fruit fly. It was originally described by Johan Christian Fabricius in 1787, and placed in the genus Musca but is now the type species of the paraphyletic genus Drosophila.
Funebris is the type species, Drosophila is the genus"In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally
mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the
simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in
turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental
abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched
wings, duplicated bristles, etc. Such malformations hardly
inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged
evolutionary change."
We're talking about speciation, not deformed eyes, notched wings or duplicated bristles. There's a big difference:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.htmlChris Stassen wrote: »Test for speciation: sterile offspring and lack of interbreeding affinity
A genetic change that is the cause of speciation is a genetic change that prevents one species from interbreeding with another and producing fertile offspring. -
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West Brooklyn wrote: »Read my last four posts again, @bambu and let that ? burn slowlyI knew you were a punk-ass white boy......
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/239178/okay-time-to-put-your-money-where-your-mouth-is-rnr/p1I have European heritage...
seems as if you are the white boy @bambu
Haha.. Do you hate yourself? Do you cry at night?
LOL...
Look at this ? , diggin thru posts from the old IC trying to find salt.....
I have no hang ups about my heritage ? ....
If you must know, my ancestral background is similar to Obama's....
So while I do have European heritage....
I am an African-American....
Nice try ? ....
But we are talking about the observance of a new species, not evolutionary jargon describing mating preferences that are manipulated by researchers....
Again....
Ole let me dig up some dirt so I can run from the truth.... Head ass ?
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Ignorant ass ? . Obama is half European. LOL @ the white man calling me a "punk-ass white boy" and the catch is....I'm not white! LOL
You're right, boy, we are talking about observance of a new species; at least I am, so why do you keep bringing up the same ? ? I'm not running from a ? damn thing, especially not a lame like yourself. Ha! You wish you were black. If you would get off your high horse and cut the racism out of your ? spirituality, it wouldn't be so easy to make you look like a ? idiot. I didn't scavenger hunt that ? . I just... happened to come across it. You didn't have to bring race into this debate. I didn't ask you to.
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You ask for examples of new species being observed evolving. You have been given almost a dozen. You have now made an argument misusing type species to claim the genus is actually the species. This is wrong.
This is the quote where you made a simple mistake.
"Stupid ? ....
wolf: species: canis lupus
domestic dog: species: Canis lupus: subspecies: Canis lupus familiaris
Drosophila mojavensis species: Drosophila
Drosophila arizonae species: Drosophila
In both examples there is only one species........
Smart/Dumb ? ......"
It this post you spun the argument into the realm of definitions. You first correctly list wolves under the species C lupus and domestic dog under C lupus familaris, the same species for each C lupus. For completeness the grey wolf is actually C lupus lupus if you include the variation levels as we did with domestic dogs.
Then you incorrectly lists 2 different species of Drosophila under the same species. Which you identify as the Genus rather than the specie name. You the drift into defending your position by misapplying the concept of type species which is used to define a Genus. It does not mean everything in a Genus is the same species.
Do you now acknowledge that D mojavensis and D arizonae are two different species with in the genus Drosophila?
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LOL....
@West Brooklyn Alabama....
Obama is half European and considered the 1st African American president.......West Brooklyn wrote: »
we are talking about observance of a new species; at least I am,
You have been saying that D mojavensis and D arizonae provides proof of evolution or the observation of a new species....
O.K. which species is new or evolved from another?????West Brooklyn wrote: »Ha! You wish you were black
I'm not white or red or black, I'm brown......
LOL @ Jaded following my activity like a little ? .....
You also see the way I shut that thread down too......
You got one right fella, you deserve a check
How did you know, you must have been jocking
How else would you know the places i be rocking?
Don't follow me fella, every move that i make
I'm hostile now so i'll give you a break
Research upon me but don't go past the limit
Here's my card and on the back you'll see my fan club digits
Do you now acknowledge that D mojavensis and D arizonae are two different species with in the genus Drosophila?
"The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen."
Instead of harping on a semantics argument....
Let's focus on research that exposes your theory of evolution.....
Which fails without "junk DNA"....
Moving on....
“This concept of ‘junk DNA’ is really not accurate. It is an outdated metaphor,” said Richard Myers of the HudsonAlpha Institute for Biotechnology in Alabama.
‘Junk DNA’ concept debunked by new analysis of human genome.
"In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally
mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the
simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in
turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental
abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched
wings, duplicated bristles, etc.6 Such malformations hardly
inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged
evolutionary change."
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The type species of Drosophila is D funebris but the concept of type species has nothing to do with the question.
Do you now acknowledge that D mojavensis and D arizonae are two different species with in the genus Drosophila?
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Drosophila funebris is a species of fruit fly. It was originally described by Johan Christian Fabricius in 1787, and placed in the genus Musca but is now the type species of the paraphyletic genus Drosophila.....
"The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen."
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Instead of harping on a semantics argument....
Nah, bruh, don't run. We ain't going nowhere until we get this ? straight and until you realize that you just got ya ass handed to you. I don't give a ? what you think you did, you ain't shutting ? down now.I have European heritage...
I don't care if you're white or not. I'm not a racist like you are. I'm just pointing out the fact that not only are you racist, you're a self hating racist and a hypocrite. So where does your "crakkka" blood originate?
Obama is half European and considered the 1st African American president.......
Yeah, because he's also half black but that still does not negate the fact that he is still half white, which again, is no problem for me.. But obviously you have a problem with white people. I think it's hilarious that you are a white person. Don't try to kick that racist ? on the internet and then go home and kiss your white family members. -
Pay close attention, duke. I'm giving you this lesson for freeYou have been saying that D mojavensis and D arizonae provides proof of evolution or the observation of a new species....
O.K. which species is new or evolved from another?????the insects are in the early stages of diverging into separate species.
The emergence of a new species - speciation - occurs when distinct populations of a species stop reproducing with one another.
When the two groups can no longer interbreed, they cease exchanging genes and eventually go their own evolutionary ways becoming separate species
interbreeding
present participle of in·ter·breed (Verb)Verb:
1.(of an animal) Breed with another of a different species.In the wild, Drosophila mojavensis and Drosophila arizonae rarely, if ever, interbreed - even though their geographical ranges overlap.
when Drosophila arizonae females mate with Drosphila mojavensis males, the resulting males are sterile.
Laura Reed maintains that such limited capacity for interbreeding indicates that the two groups are on the verge of becoming completely separate species.
Because the hybrid male's sterility depends on the mother's genes, the researchers say the genetic change must be recent.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.htmlChris Stassen wrote: »Test for speciation: sterile offspring and lack of interbreeding affinity
In biological nomenclature, a type species is the species to which the name of a genus is permanently linked....
Drosophila mojavensis: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila mojavensis
Drosophila arizonae: genus: Drosophila species: Drosophila arizonae
"The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen."
"In zoological nomenclature, the type of a species (or subspecies) is a specimen (or series of specimens), the type of a genus (or subgenus) is a species, and the type of a suprageneric taxon (e.g., family, etc.) is a genus. Names higher than superfamily rank do not have types."
Genus: Panthera
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panthera
^^^
Species: Panthera Leo (lion)
Species: Panthera Onca (jaguar)
Species: Panthera Pardus (leopard)
Species: Panthera Tigris (tiger) >>> Different Species; Of Same Genus
likewise
Genus: Drosophila
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila
^^^
Species: Mojavensis
Species: Melanogaster
Species: Immigrans
Species: Simulans
Species: Funebris
Species: Subobscura >>> Different Species; Of Same Genus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drosophila
Click the link, look on the right side of the screen under the image of repleta. It gives you the scientific classification of Drosophila. Under that, you'll see a link that says type species (don't click it; look below the link). As an example of species, wikipedia listed Musca Funebris. If you click the name M. Funebris, you are taken to a page that reads:Drosophila funebris is a species of fruit fly. It was originally described by Johan Christian Fabricius in 1787, and placed in the genus Musca but is now the type species of the paraphyletic genus Drosophila.
Funebris is the type species, Drosophila is the genus"In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally
mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the
simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in
turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental
abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched
wings, duplicated bristles, etc. Such malformations hardly
inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged
evolutionary change."
We're talking about speciation, not deformed eyes, notched wings or duplicated bristles. There's a big difference:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.htmlChris Stassen wrote: »Test for speciation: sterile offspring and lack of interbreeding affinity
A genetic change that is the cause of speciation is a genetic change that prevents one species from interbreeding with another and producing fertile offspring. -
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So I'm the racist?????
I am not the ? round here kicking up out the ass racist evolutionary theories that say that Caucasians are defects to mankind......West Brooklyn wrote: »My theory is that whites will become extinct over time. As stated previously, blacks are better equipped to escape an evolutionary dead end. From my understanding of evolution, changes can occur and create branches that eventually end, for example Neanderthals. My theory stems from the idea that whites were "created" from blacks, being a branch that lacks the specific things that blacks carry and are able to continue because of.
When you observe nature, you will see. Vitiligo, which causes the skin to turn white.. Albino people who were born with white skin.. These are sorts of "defects" for lack of a better word.
? ass ? .......
All that I have done here is illustrate the racist theories that stem from your ? theory of evolution......
I read your ? evidence on Drosophila....
Again....
There were two type specimen to begin with.....
Any interbreeding will result in sterile offspring....
They are two different type specimen.......
Kind of like ? sapiens and ? neanderthalensis.....
The occasional hybrid offspring.....
However no new species or evolution.......
"The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen."
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I am not the ? round here kicking up out the ass racist evolutionary theories that say that Caucasians are defects to mankind......
When I used the word "defect", I was describing melanin deficiency like that which Albinos possess. When I was referring to "white" people, I meant people with low amounts of melanin. I should have refrained from using the words "white" and "black" to prevent confusion so that was my fault.Melanin i/ˈmɛlənɪn/ (Greek: μέλας, black)is a pigment that is ubiquitous in nature, being found in most organismsMelanin deficiency has been connected for some time with various genetic abnormalities and disease states.
It's not to necessarily say that blacks are superior to whites, so it's not necessarily racism. You just took it that way.
You, on the other hand, are suggesting that whites are inherently weak, loosely and wrecklessly using racial slurs and the irony of it all is that you belong to the group of people which you are attempting to put down. In other words, you're an idiot. A racist, self-hating idiot.
The racist theories are false; that does not make evolutionary theory false. If someone were to create a racist theory based off something that we currently know to be fact, would you then give that up as well? It's not logical or productive to think that way. That is why your i.d. theory does not bring anything new to the table. You cannot solve any of the problems that have been solved with the theory of evolution. Your i.d. theory causes us to go backward, not forward. If you would like to use your i.d. theory to bring current understanding further and thus make your theory stronger, I would be happy to hear it but you have not and you cannot. As Mystikal so eloquently put it:U would if U could ?
U would, but U cant, so U aint!
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There were two type specimen to begin with.....
Any interbreeding will result in sterile offspring....The insects are in the early stages of diverging into separate species.
The emergence of a new species - speciation - occurs when distinct populations of a species stop reproducing with one another.
When the two groups can no longer interbreed, they cease exchanging genes and eventually go their own evolutionary ways becoming separate species.
Drosophila mojavensis mothers typically produce healthy offspring after mating with Drosophila arizonae males, but when Drosophila arizonae females mate with Drosphila mojavensis males, the resulting males are sterile.
Laura Reed maintains that such limited capacity for interbreeding indicates that the two groups are on the verge of becoming completely separate species.
Another finding that adds support to that idea is that in a strain of Drosophila mojavensis from southern California's Catalina Island, mothers always produce sterile males when mated with Drosophila arizonae males.
Because the hybrid male's sterility depends on the mother's genes, the researchers say the genetic change must be recent.They are two different type specimen.......
Kind of like ? sapiens and ? neanderthalensis.....
The occasional hybrid offspring.....
However no new species or evolution.......
No, they are becoming two seperate species because the [natural] recent genetic change prevents successful breeding between the two populations. When breeding occurs, the resulting males are sterile. This is an indication that speciation has occurred.
"Type" specimen does not help your argument. A "type specimen" is:
type spec·i·men Noun:
The specimen, or each of a set of specimens, on which the description and name
of a new species is based.
Noun 1. type specimen - the original specimen from which the description of a new species is made
It's synonyms are "example" or "model" -
? please.....West Brooklyn wrote: », I meant people with low amounts of melanin. I should have refrained from using the words "white" and "black" to prevent confusion so that was my fault.
Ole what I had meant to say was..... HEAD ASS ? ......
Whatever ? ...
You been looking stupid for a minute now.....West Brooklyn wrote: »You, on the other hand, are suggesting that whites are inherently weak, loosely and wrecklessly using racial slurs
Says the Uncle Tom ass ? .....West Brooklyn wrote: »My theory is that whites will become extinct over time
However, I am not supporting any pseudo-evolutionary theories that pit the "races" in an evolutionary race against each other........
And I been deconstructed that lame ass fruit fly ? .....
I grow weary of entertaining your ignorance......
If they are differing species or specimens, why is their lack of inbreeding an issue?????
These groups did not start out with the ability to reproduce......
So the fact that they don't ? with each other is irrelevant....
"In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally
mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the
simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in
turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental
abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched
wings, duplicated bristles, etc.6 Such malformations hardly
inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged
evolutionary change." -
You haven't deconstructed anything as of yet. I've already responded to the argument you continue to run with and I'm still waiting on a proper intellectual reply from you"In the common fruit fly, Drosophila, environmentally
mediated perturbations of the Hsp90 gene can cause the
simultaneous deregulation of a number or genes. This, in
turn, causes these flies to display a variety of developmental
abnormalities, such as deformed or absent eyes, notched
wings, duplicated bristles, etc. Such malformations hardly
inspire confidence in this mechanism as a cause of alleged
evolutionary change."
We're talking about speciation, not deformed eyes, notched wings or duplicated bristles. There's a big difference:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.htmlChris Stassen wrote: »Test for speciation: sterile offspring and lack of interbreeding affinity
A genetic change that is the cause of speciation is a genetic change that prevents one species from interbreeding with another and producing fertile offspring.
If they are differing species or specimens, why is their lack of inbreeding an issue?????
These groups did not start out with the ability to reproduce......
So the fact that they don't ? with each other is irrelevant....The insects are in the early stages of diverging into separate species.
The emergence of a new species - speciation - occurs when distinct populations of a species stop reproducing with one another.
When the two groups can no longer interbreed, they cease exchanging genes and eventually go their own evolutionary ways becoming separate species.
Drosophila mojavensis mothers typically produce healthy offspring after mating with Drosophila arizonae males, but when Drosophila arizonae females mate with Drosphila mojavensis males, the resulting males are sterile.
Laura Reed maintains that such limited capacity for interbreeding indicates that the two groups are on the verge of becoming completely separate species.
Another finding that adds support to that idea is that in a strain of Drosophila mojavensis from southern California's Catalina Island, mothers always produce sterile males when mated with Drosophila arizonae males.
Because the hybrid male's sterility depends on the mother's genes, the researchers say the genetic change must be recent. -
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