Erick Sermon >> Dr. Dre on "Music Production".

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RXMasked
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edited August 2012 in The Reason
Dr.Dre is a hip hop icon/entrepreneur, I understand that. I'm also a fan and I got his CDs and cassettes.
However, I'm talking strictly music production wise, Erick Sermon (1/2 of the legendary group, EPMD) is marginally is better than Dr. Dre.

Here is some reasons why Erick Sermon should be in considered.

1. Erick Sermon has played a instrument (MPC, Keyboard, Logic, and etc.) in all his production. He may not have played every single instrument on a song but he doesn't have somebody else make the beat so he mix it and slap his name on the entire production credit.

2. Erick Sermon came out in 1987-88 with EPMD, which is also around the time that Dr.Dre and NWA came out.
Til this day, people say Erick was using a "west coast" sound or samples in his production. "You Gots to Chill" could probably be the earliest usage of a Roger Troutman track that has been used millions of times in West Coast Rap during the early 90's. So in other words, Erick was a bit ahead of Dre on finding funk samples.

3. Dr.Dre is known for quality in music production. Erick Sermon should be in the same class when it comes to quality. He may have boring beats (all producers have them) but you can never call it wack or even his discography of production wack. Erick Sermon got tons of beats that make you nod your head, make you wanna freestyle, or even dance to. ? Drake & 40, Eminem, and P.Diddy. Erick managed to ressurect Marvin Gaye on a record and make the song pop on the billboards.


I may be bias by saying that Dr.Dre has more classic instrumentation because its more known but Erick Sermon is the Clyde Drexler of Hip Hop Music Production.

Here's some proof of his work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmTCfPh1Fsw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4EFLlMUN1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=masL75eRIq8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBZxwBgMRsA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNP5z66nps4
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  • Stew
    Stew Members, Moderators, Writer Posts: 52,234 Regulator
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    Erick Sermon can be the Clyde Drexler while Dre is the MJ 10 times outta 10.
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  • Lab Baby
    Lab Baby Members Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    He also inspired the Neptunes sound with this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMEs_YFlTT4
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  • Lab Baby
    Lab Baby Members Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    To me, Strictly Business and Unfinished Business are the equivalent of Chronic and 2001. E Dubb is a GOAT.

    Plus, Erick on the mic>>>>>any producer not named Kanye.
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  • Tommy bilfiger
    Tommy bilfiger Members Posts: 22,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Lab Baby wrote: »
    To me, Strictly Business and Unfinished Business are the equivalent of Chronic and 2001. E Dubb is a GOAT.

    Plus, Erick on the mic>>>>>any producer not named Kanye.

    Cosign

    Except they're not equal albums they are Way better.Chronic 2001 is trash

    Business never personal>>>>>>All of dr dre's produced albums

    Death certificate is the Only good album to come from the west excluding Fonzarelli's catalog

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  • jono
    jono Members Posts: 30,280 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Erick can't see Quik on a mic but....

    I noticed the ghost-producing drop you made on Dre....lol, its ironic because I was coming into this thread to say "inb4 ghost producing rumors" but its in the opening statement.

    I'm not a huge fan of EPMD but I appreciate them.

    I like Dre during the 80s & 90s. The stuff he did on Ruthless & Death Row >>
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  • trilladelic
    trilladelic Members Posts: 4,457 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    u might be right..
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  • Kwan Dai
    Kwan Dai Members Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm not sure about overall. But I will certainly say that E was ahead of all Producers when it came to funk samples. And I forget which video it was but EPMD and NWA were hanging out back in the 80's. Which leads me to believe E had some influence on Dre.
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  • will grimey
    will grimey Members Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'd say about equal...

    He most def has classic beats....Top 10 GOAT producer

    Production

    50 Cent - "Da Heatwave" with N.O.R.E.
    Akon - "So Fly" with Blewz
    Alfonzo Hunter - "Just The Way (Remix)" with Erick Sermon
    Alfonzo Hunter - "Weekend Thang (Remix)"
    Amir - "Lugeez I Spit" with Erick Sermon
    Angie Stone - "No More Rain (In This Cloud) (Remix)" with Loon
    AZ- "Gimme Yours (Remix)"
    Bahamadia - "I Confess (Remix)"
    Beverly Knight - "Rewind (Remix)"
    Beyoncé Knowles - "Naughty Girl (Remix)" with Redman
    Bizarre - "Bad Day"
    Bizarre - "Holla At Cha" with Erick Sermon
    The Black Eyed Peas - "Ba Bump (Remix)"
    Blackstreet - "Booti Call" with T-Pirate
    Bo$$ - "2 To Da Head"
    Bo$$ - "Comin' To Getcha" with Erick Sermon
    Bounty Killer - "Change Like The Weather" with Busta Rhymes & Junior Reid
    Boyz N Da Hood - "Gangstas" with Eazy E
    Busta Rhymes - "Goldmine" with Raekwon
    Chico DeBarge - "Soopaman Lover (Remix)" with Erick Sermon & Redman
    D'Angelo - "Me And Those Dreamin Eyes Of Mine (Remix)" with Redman
    Dave Hollister - "Missin You"
    Dave Hollister - "The Program"
    Dilated Peoples - "The Platform (Remix)"
    Eminem - "Off The Wall" with Redman
    George Clinton - "If Anybody Gets Funked Up (It's Gonna Be You)" with Erick Sermon & MC Breed
    Heavy D - "Ask Heaven" with Chico DeBarge
    Heavy D - "Take Your Time"
    Illegal - "Head Or Gut"
    Illegal - "We Get Busy" with Erick Sermon
    Infamous Mobb - "Betti Bye Bye"
    Ja Rule - "E-Dub & Ja" with Erick Sermon
    Ja Rule - "Ladies"
    Jamal - "Keep It Real"
    Jamal - "Situations"
    Jay-Z - "Reservoir Dogs" with The LOX, H Money Bags, Beanie Sigel & Sauce Money
    Jodeci - "Feenin (Remix)" with Erick Sermon
    Keith Murray - "Bad Day"
    Keith Murray - "Bom Bom Zee" with Hurricane G & Paul Hightower
    Keith Murray - "Get Liftid"
    Keith Murray - "Herb Is Pumpin"
    Keith Murray - "Incredible" with LL Cool J
    Keith Murray - "Love L.O.D." with 50 Grand & Kel Vicious
    Keith Murray - "My Life" with Déjà Vu
    Keith Murray - "Nobody Do It Better" with Tyrese & Junior
    Keith Murray - "On Smash" with Busta Rhymes & Kel Vicious
    Keith Murray - "Rhymin With Kel" with Kel Vicious
    Keith Murray - "Ride Wit Us" with Redman, Too Short & Erick Sermon
    Keith Murray - "Say Goodnite"
    Keith Murray - "Some ? " with Canibus & Déjà Vu
    Keith Murray - "Straight Loonie" with Jamal
    Keith Murray - "The Most Beautifullest Thing In This World"
    Keith Murray - "To My Mans" with Dave Hollister
    Keith Murray - "We Ridin" with L.O.D.
    Keith Murray - "What It Is" with Method Man & 50 Grand
    Keith Murray - "Yeah" with Jamal, Busta Rhymes, Redman & Erick Sermon
    K-Solo - "Rock Bottom"
    K-Solo - "The Baby Doesn't Look Like Me"
    LL Cool J - "4, 3, 2, 1" with Method Man, DMX, Canibus & Redman
    LL Cool J - "4, 3, 2, 1 (Extended Remix)" with Method Man, DMX, Canibus, Redman & Master P
    Lost Boyz - "Keep Ridin"
    Lost Boyz - "We Ain't Stoppin" with Erick Sermon & Netty
    Ludacris - "Hip-Hop Quotables"
    Lyndon David Hall - "Do I Qualify (Remix)"
    MC Breed - "To Da Beat Chall" with Erick Sermon
    Method Man & Redman - "Blackout"
    Method Man & Redman - "4 Seasons" with LL Cool J & Ja Rule
    Method Man & Redman - "Big Dogs"
    Method Man & Redman - "Tear It Off"
    Method Man & Redman - "Well All Rite Cha"
    Method Man & Redman - "Dangerous MCees"
    Method Man & Redman - "Neva Herd Dis B 4"
    Method Man - "DirtyMef" with Ol ? Bastard
    Method Man - "Even If" with Streetlife
    Method Man - "Gotta Have It"
    Method Man - "How High (Remix)" with Redman & Blue Raspberry
    Method Man - "Say"
    Method Man - "Walk On" with Redman
    Mr. Cheeks - "Get Up The Volume" with Keith Murray & G-Dep
    Mr. Cheeks - "Make Music"
    PMD - "Look At U Now" with Erick Sermon
    Raekwon - "Baggin' ? "
    Raekwon - "Every Soldier In The Hood" with Method Man
    Redman - "A Day Of Sooperman Lover"
    Redman - "Blow Your Mind"
    Redman - "Bricks Two" with Roz, D-Don, Shooga Bear, Double O &Pacewon
    Redman - "Cloze Ya Doors" with Young Zee, Tame One, Roz, Gov Mattic & D-Don
    Redman - "Cosmic Slop" with Erick Sermon & Keith Murray
    Redman - "Da Ill Out" with Icarus
    Redman - "Da Ill Out" with Keith Murray & Jamal
    Redman - "? " with EPMD
    Redman - "It's Like That (My Big Brother)" with K-Solo
    Redman - "J.U.M.P." with George Clinton
    Redman - "Keep On '99"
    Redman - "Real ? " with Treach, Icarus, Jamal & Scarface
    Redman - "Rock Da Spot"
    Redman - "So Ruff"
    Redman - "Soopaman Luva 5 (Part 1)"
    Redman - "Soopaman Luva 6" with Hurricane G & Melanie Rutherford
    Redman - "Time 4 Sum Aksion"
    Redman - "Tonight's Da Night" with Hurricane G
    Redman - "Walk In Gutta" with Erick Sermon, Keith Murray & Biz Markie
    Redman - "Watch Your Nuggets" with Erick Sermon
    Redman - "Whateva Man" with Erick Sermon
    Saukrates - "W.K.Y.A." with Redman
    Scarface - "It Ain't II"
    Shadz Of Lingo - "Mad Flavaz" with Erick Sermon
    Shaquille O'Neal - "Boom!" with Erick Sermon & Fu-Schnickens
    Shaquille O'Neal - "Let Me In, Let Me In"
    Shaquille O'Neal - "My Style, My Stelo" with Redman & Erick Sermon
    Shaquille O'Neal - "Shoot, Pass, Slam" with Erick Sermon & Ken-Dawg
    Styles P - "What, Why, Where, When"
    Supercat - "Girlstown" with Chevelle Franklin
    SWV - "On & On" with Erick Sermon
    Tha Truth - "I Wanna Know"
    Tha Truth - "What U Do 2 Me" with Kenny Greene
    Tony Touch - "How You Want It" with Def Squad
    Too Short - "Be My ? Love" with Val Young
    Too Short - "Buy You Some" with MC Breed & Kool-Ace
    Too Short - "Invasion Of The Flat ? ? "
    Troy Slugs - "Party Going On (Remix)" with Erick Sermon
    Vic Damone - "? Em"
    Vic Damone - "Why U Mad?" with Joell Ortiz
    Warren G - "I Shot The Sheriff (Remix)"
    Xzibit - "Alkaholik" with Erick Sermon, J-Ro & Tash
    Xzibit - "Double Time"
    Xzibit - "Multiply (Remix)" with Nate Dogg
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  • will grimey
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFIQdnfbv4s
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  • Tommy bilfiger
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    edited August 2012
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    Erick sermon produced that fif heatwave? Thats my ?

    Plus erick sermon produced that Keith murray the most beautifullest album which is better than me against the world
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  • Daddy_PeaceBuck$
    Daddy_PeaceBuck$ Members Posts: 203 ✭✭
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYZD1w-VKIg

    It's a close call but I salute both of them ? .
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  • bkkbully
    bkkbully Members Posts: 2,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't understand why people say that Dre 'steals beats'. Look at the liner notes, everyone he works with is credited properly from co-producing to mixing.
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  • grumpy_new_yorker
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    bkkbully wrote: »
    I don't understand why people say that Dre 'steals beats'. Look at the liner notes, everyone he works with is credited properly from co-producing to mixing.

    just one example

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL8m9x6j4cg
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  • grumpy_new_yorker
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    Makes me proud I'm from Long Island
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UikHOjWoYL8
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  • YamoleySensei
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    edited August 2012
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    Say what you want about E Dubb, him being a grimy ass dude by setting up his PNC to get robbed or him hopping out windows and ? , at least he never used ghost producers as a last ditch effort....
    Erick Sermon >>> ? Dre

    Hittin' Switches >>> most Dre songs
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  • BenjaminE
    BenjaminE Members Posts: 3,679 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    this track bumps in the whip... and Slick Rick lightweight killd it....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCL6EOtVg3s
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  • the best 1
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    edited August 2012
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    Man ....yall ? just don't stop with this silly ? ... see this is the type of ? dumb ? will read and start believing.

    Erick is not ? with Dr Dre as a producer... and I grew up on EPMD... when Dre and NWA came out... their production was on a whole different level.
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  • georgia boi
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuO6xxFGpW8

    ^^^ a beat that both Erick Sermon and Dr. Dre collaborated on. It's mainly Erick Sermon though as the credits read that Dre did additional production.
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  • JokerzWyld
    JokerzWyld Members Posts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Lol I've been on this for years. I've said many times on this forum that E Dubb >>>> Dre, and that E Dubb was on the Funk samples before Dre. Redman's "Whut Thee Album" debuted before "The Chronic" & "? ". Cats give Erick Sermon no credit yo.
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  • dbrazil412
    dbrazil412 Members Posts: 9,410 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Lab Baby wrote: »
    He also inspired the Neptunes sound with this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMEs_YFlTT4



    pharrell (the neptunes) >>>>>>>> eric sermon
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  • Rahlow
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    only in the I.C. Reason and only in this lil thread
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  • Lab Baby
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    dbrazil412 wrote: »
    Lab Baby wrote: »
    He also inspired the Neptunes sound with this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMEs_YFlTT4



    pharrell (the neptunes) >>>>>>>> eric sermon

    I respectfully disagree, and I think Pharell would too.
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  • real_hh_rep
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    I always say that EPMD invited funk long before Dre. Their sound wasn't as raw and grimey, but Dre was havily inluenced by E-Dub. I don't know if he's better, but dude's production is very underrated ,which is evident on examples posted above.
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  • nyst8ofmin
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    neither are better or worse..... their different and im grateful for em both
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  • plocc
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    E's funk based production was more grimier, aka straight from the sewer, while dre''s production is sonically cleaner and crisper. But I ride with em both. Didnt know e doubles work was that exstensive. E chopped up samples and dre had live musicians interpolate ? . Thats the difference whose best? Aint no best they both nice, dre is just more popular.
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