It looks like bombing Libya and taking out Gaddafi has not helped with America's reputation there
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OH, and the Libyan war has been over for awhile now Jank.....it's been over for about half a year now. If it was ongoing you might have a point but seeing how Al-Qaeda now has a new base of operations in Libya while getting our consulate burnt to the ground, I fail to see how the war in Libya has been anything but a utter disaster and failure. There hasn't been any kind of success there, none that benefits America at least. Al-Qaeda is partying in Libya like it's 1999 now, just as I predicted.
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BTW President Obama sure doesn't care about Americas debt - not to long ago apparently he did?
Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. - Senator Barack Obama, March 2006 (Congressional Record, p S2237 -
kingblaze84 wrote: »The operation in Libya wasn't a war?? If Mexico air raided cities all across America, you wouldn't call that an act of war???kingblaze84 wrote: »OH, and the Libyan war has been over for awhile now Jank.....it's been over for about half a year now. If it was ongoing you might have a point-kingblaze84 wrote: »-but seeing how Al-Qaeda now has a new base of operations in Libya while getting our consulate burnt to the ground, I fail to see how the war in Libya has been anything but a utter disaster and failure.
01. you are completely married to the idea that it's an total failure, which is what you pushed before, during, and now after America got involved;
02. you seem to think "about half a year" is a massive amount of time.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »The operation in Libya wasn't a war?? If Mexico air raided cities all across America, you wouldn't call that an act of war???kingblaze84 wrote: »OH, and the Libyan war has been over for awhile now Jank.....it's been over for about half a year now. If it was ongoing you might have a point-kingblaze84 wrote: »-but seeing how Al-Qaeda now has a new base of operations in Libya while getting our consulate burnt to the ground, I fail to see how the war in Libya has been anything but a utter disaster and failure.
01. you are completely married to the idea that it's an total failure, which is what you pushed before, during, and now after America got involved;
02. you seem to think "about half a year" is a massive amount of time.
Half a year is a long enough time to see the war was a failure because the war is now OVER. Six months later, things are a disaster there with Americans now being forced to leave the capital. If things are going so swell there, why is the US govt telling workers to leave the AMERICAN EMBASSY in Tripoli?? Why is the FBI STILL not in Libya, so many days after the attack? It's because Americans are so hated and threatened there they are not safe, even under Libyan protection. This is BEYOND pathetic and a holy ? mess. Shows how badly we are hated there, stop living in dream world......
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/breaking-us-state-department-is-removing-staff-from-tripoli-libya/
And if Mexico was doing air raids all throughout America the way America did Libya, YEAH, ? YEAH I would consider that an act of war. And that's exactly what we did in Libya. You sound naive as hell right now, what happened to you?
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kingblaze84 wrote: »You sound naive as hell right now, what happened to you?kingblaze84 wrote: »Half a year is a long enough time to see the war was a failure because the war is now OVER.kingblaze84 wrote: »Six months later, things are a disaster there with Americans now being forced to leave the capital. If things are going so swell there, why is the US govt telling workers to leave the AMERICAN EMBASSY in Tripoli?? Why is the FBI STILL not in Libya, so many days after the attack?kingblaze84 wrote: »And if Mexico was doing air raids all throughout America the way America did Libya, YEAH, ? YEAH I would consider that an act of war. And that's exactly what we did in Libya.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »You sound naive as hell right now, what happened to you?kingblaze84 wrote: »Half a year is a long enough time to see the war was a failure because the war is now OVER.kingblaze84 wrote: »Six months later, things are a disaster there with Americans now being forced to leave the capital. If things are going so swell there, why is the US govt telling workers to leave the AMERICAN EMBASSY in Tripoli?? Why is the FBI STILL not in Libya, so many days after the attack?kingblaze84 wrote: »And if Mexico was doing air raids all throughout America the way America did Libya, YEAH, ? YEAH I would consider that an act of war. And that's exactly what we did in Libya.
Jank, we did bomb Libya, all throughout the nation. I'm not saying we randomly started bombing Libya, but nonetheless we did bomb the nation and we DID do air raids throughout much of the land. Are you saying this isn't true??
And if you feel I'm exaggerating how bad things are in Libya, can we at least agree things are not going well there so far? If you agree with this, just keep in mind the war has been over for half a year now. That is long enough to see things have not been going well thus far. Wars take time to end peacefully, but the war has been over for quite awhile and Americans are still being told to avoid Libya as much as possible. A damning state for how much money and time we spent there trying to "liberate" people. Yeah, America has been embraced with open arms ever since, LOL.........this is what I mean by you possibly being naive on this subject. The failure of this war is staring into your skull and you seem almost lost or puzzled by it. Why, I don't know. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »Jank, we did bomb Libya, all throughout the nation. I'm not saying we randomly started bombing Libya, but nonetheless we did bomb the nation and we DID do air raids throughout much of the land. Are you saying this isn't true??kingblaze84 wrote: »And if you feel I'm exaggerating how bad things are in Libya, can we at least agree things are not going well there so far? If you agree with this, just keep in mind the war has been over for half a year now. That is long enough to see things have not been going well thus far.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »Jank, we did bomb Libya, all throughout the nation. I'm not saying we randomly started bombing Libya, but nonetheless we did bomb the nation and we DID do air raids throughout much of the land. Are you saying this isn't true??kingblaze84 wrote: »And if you feel I'm exaggerating how bad things are in Libya, can we at least agree things are not going well there so far? If you agree with this, just keep in mind the war has been over for half a year now. That is long enough to see things have not been going well thus far.
You fail to grasp just how serious it is for a US Ambassador to be killed in a nation that was "liberated" by Americans, along with getting its consulate burnt to the GROUND. For this to happen 6 months after getting rid of Gaddafi is embarrassing and if things do look brighter there for America eventually, great. But that is very unlkely to happen. After all, we've been in Afghanistan for 12 years and nothing good is going on there. What makes you think Libya will be any different? Americans are being told to avoid Libya now by the US govt, and we've taken Americans out of the embassy for their own protection. When does the good news start coming in? 6 months later I'm still waiting. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »You fail to grasp just how serious it is for a US Ambassador to be killed in a nation that was "liberated" by Americans, along with getting its consulate burnt to the GROUND.kingblaze84 wrote: »6 months later I'm still waiting.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »You fail to grasp just how serious it is for a US Ambassador to be killed in a nation that was "liberated" by Americans, along with getting its consulate burnt to the GROUND.kingblaze84 wrote: »6 months later I'm still waiting.
OK how about this, give me signals things are going well in Libya for America and ARE NOT a disaster there. I'm gonna wait patiently for your response. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »OK how about this, give me signals things are going well in Libya for America and ARE NOT a disaster there. I'm gonna wait patiently for your response.
then there's also the fact that i have REPEATEDLY said i don't think you can call it one way or the other only six months after the fact, but i guess you're ignoring that?
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kingblaze84 wrote: »OK how about this, give me signals things are going well in Libya for America and ARE NOT a disaster there. I'm gonna wait patiently for your response.
then there's also the fact that i have REPEATEDLY said i don't think you can call it one way or the other only six months after the fact, but i guess you're ignoring that?
Those Libyans protesting the death of the ambassador doesn't mean JACK ? considering Americans are still unsafe there. Not impressed with that at all, when Americans are actually safe there, I'll take those little protests seriously.
And as far as the war not going one way or the other so far after 6 months, UMMMMMMMMMMMM America's consulate got burnt down to the ground last month and the consulate is so unsafe to be around Americans are not investigating on the consulate grounds yet. It's a joke at this point how badly the war has gone, but if you want to be naive on this subject, you have every right to be. If I burned down your house, after 6 months of us NOT FIGHTING, I'm pretty sure you would say relations btw me and you are not going very well. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »Those Libyans protesting the death of the ambassador doesn't mean JACK ? considering Americans are still unsafe there. Not impressed with that at all, when Americans are actually safe there, I'll take those little protests seriously.kingblaze84 wrote: »And as far as the war not going one way or the other so far after 6 months, UMMMMMMMMMMMM America's consulate got burnt down to the ground last month and the consulate is so unsafe to be around Americans are not investigating on the consulate grounds yet.kingblaze84 wrote: »It's a joke at this point how badly the war has gone-kingblaze84 wrote: »-but if you want to be naive on this subject-
i asked this question before, but here we are again, so i think you need to answer it: do you want to talk ? or do you want to debate this topic? because the latter involves us disagreeing like adults. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »Those Libyans protesting the death of the ambassador doesn't mean JACK ? considering Americans are still unsafe there. Not impressed with that at all, when Americans are actually safe there, I'll take those little protests seriously.kingblaze84 wrote: »And as far as the war not going one way or the other so far after 6 months, UMMMMMMMMMMMM America's consulate got burnt down to the ground last month and the consulate is so unsafe to be around Americans are not investigating on the consulate grounds yet.kingblaze84 wrote: »It's a joke at this point how badly the war has gone-kingblaze84 wrote: »-but if you want to be naive on this subject-
i asked this question before, but here we are again, so i think you need to answer it: do you want to talk ? or do you want to debate this topic? because the latter involves us disagreeing like adults.
Well I have no problem with us agreeing to disagree. You say it's too early to declare success or failure after the war, I see a burnt US consulate to the ground with our own ambassador being murdered along with 3 of his fellow co-workers in the same nation we helped "liberate". The war was very stupid, and it's hurting Obama on the campaign trail now, as Romney can easily use this as an excuse to say Obama's foreign policy has failed. He's saying these things right now, so until I hear a convincing argument otherwise, the war in Libya was a waste of time, blood, and money. My respect for the American govt went down a lot after the war. -
Swiffness! wrote: »Egypt too.
How dumb is it that they burning ? down and killing ppl cuz some random nobody made an anti-Islam flick? This wasn't a anti-Israel protest..........one of those Islamophobe ? made a propaganda film, somebody reposted with Arabic subtitles........riots. There really is a problem in the Muslim world with them not understanding how free speech works. I mean, if you asked Egyptians on the street if they want Free Speech they'd be like "SURE!" but then ask them if saying not-so-nice things about Islam and The Prophet should be protected under Free Speech and see how many ppl give you a stale face. They still got that backwards 19th Century America mindset towards blasphemy vs. free speech. Seriously, it's like those protesters in the UK that had signs like this:
Christianity as a whole got over this sensitive ? a minute ago. Too many Muslims still expect the whole world to give them special treatment and kiss Islam's ass. Grow up.
I hate this ? , because it really seems like the Extreme Christianists and Extreme Islamists are just hellbent on beefing and the rest of us are gonna be stuck cleaning up the rubble and bodies. Man, that Breivik dude that murked them 77 kids in part because he saw them as "supporting the Muslim invasion of Europe" etc. Pandora's Box is ? open and it is only going to get worse. Post Arab Spring democracies are gonna be unstable as hell, Neo-Fascist movements are gaining strength in Europe via Islamophobia, Iran's prolly gonna start a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, The Next Republican President will be demonizing and profiling Muslims, someone is gonna top 9/11 eventually. ? . Welp, I guess its still better than the dystopian future where we have a Cold War with China.
It's funny how this free speech thing works. People want free speech - but then want to put limits on it. When someone says something they dont like, instead of ignoring their stupid statements they demand the source be persecuted. In an attempt to stop what has been said from becoming popular, they have just martyred and publicized the source of it and given them a platform to push their ideas to other people.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »My respect for the American govt went down a lot after the war.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »My respect for the American govt went down a lot after the war.
I've said several times I respected Obama's decision to not get involved in Iran and Syria soo..... -
RodrigueZz wrote: »Swiffness! wrote: »Egypt too.
How dumb is it that they burning ? down and killing ppl cuz some random nobody made an anti-Islam flick? This wasn't a anti-Israel protest..........one of those Islamophobe ? made a propaganda film, somebody reposted with Arabic subtitles........riots. There really is a problem in the Muslim world with them not understanding how free speech works. I mean, if you asked Egyptians on the street if they want Free Speech they'd be like "SURE!" but then ask them if saying not-so-nice things about Islam and The Prophet should be protected under Free Speech and see how many ppl give you a stale face. They still got that backwards 19th Century America mindset towards blasphemy vs. free speech. Seriously, it's like those protesters in the UK that had signs like this:
Christianity as a whole got over this sensitive ? a minute ago. Too many Muslims still expect the whole world to give them special treatment and kiss Islam's ass. Grow up.
I hate this ? , because it really seems like the Extreme Christianists and Extreme Islamists are just hellbent on beefing and the rest of us are gonna be stuck cleaning up the rubble and bodies. Man, that Breivik dude that murked them 77 kids in part because he saw them as "supporting the Muslim invasion of Europe" etc. Pandora's Box is ? open and it is only going to get worse. Post Arab Spring democracies are gonna be unstable as hell, Neo-Fascist movements are gaining strength in Europe via Islamophobia, Iran's prolly gonna start a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, The Next Republican President will be demonizing and profiling Muslims, someone is gonna top 9/11 eventually. ? . Welp, I guess its still better than the dystopian future where we have a Cold War with China.
It's funny how this free speech thing works. People want free speech - but then want to put limits on it. When someone says something they dont like, instead of ignoring their stupid statements they demand the source be persecuted. In an attempt to stop what has been said from becoming popular, they have just martyred and publicized the source of it and given them a platform to push their ideas to other people.
It's so damn counterproductive.
True the outrage over a stupid movie was embarrassing for the Middle East in my opinion but the video did not cause the terror attack. Why have so much anger over a damn movie in general, are people there rly that thick skinned? At the exact same time though, it's beyond the video, we gotta keep in mind the hundreds of thousands of people killed by American wars there, plus our support of borderline genocide in Palestinian territories. The attack was planned months before the protests according to many sources either way......
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/10/state_department_says_innocence_of_muslims_didn_t_prompt_benghazi_attack.html
Remember when U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice made the Sunday talk show rounds to say that the attack in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans was a "spontaneous" outburst prompted by that bizarre anti-Muslim film? Yeah, about that...
The Associated Press:
The State Department now says it never believed the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, was a film protest gone awry .... The State Department's extraordinary break with other administration offices came in a department briefing Tuesday, where officials said "others" in the executive branch concluded initially that the protest was based, like others in the Middle East, on a film that ridiculed the Prophet Muhammad. That was never the department's conclusion, a senior official told reporters.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »I've said several times I respected Obama's decision to not get involved in Iran and Syria soo.....
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kingblaze84 wrote: »I've said several times I respected Obama's decision to not get involved in Iran and Syria soo.....
I respect American govt in many aspects but not when it comes to foreign policy, it's terrible. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »I've said several times I respected Obama's decision to not get involved in Iran and Syria soo.....
I respect American govt in many aspects but not when it comes to foreign policy, it's terrible.
It's BEYOND that - since it doesn't even exist just which low ranking entity is gonna take the fall for the secretary of state? huh? we sure couldn't hold the responsible person for there incompetence could we? I'm sure if enough smoke screens are put forth, when things clear we'll see who's to blame - ? ? never runs upward.
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It's BEYOND that - since it doesn't even exist just which low ranking entity is gonna take the fall for the secretary of state? huh? we sure couldn't hold the responsible person for there incompetence could we? I'm sure if enough smoke screens are put forth, when things clear we'll see who's to blame - ? ? never runs upward.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »I've said several times I respected Obama's decision to not get involved in Iran and Syria soo.....
I respect American govt in many aspects but not when it comes to foreign policy, it's terrible.
It's BEYOND that - since it doesn't even exist just which low ranking entity is gonna take the fall for the secretary of state? huh? we sure couldn't hold the responsible person for there incompetence could we? I'm sure if enough smoke screens are put forth, when things clear we'll see who's to blame - ? ? never runs upward.
LOL yeah don't expect anyone in the administration to take the blame for this Libya mess. Although to be fair, Republicans are the ones who cut consulate aid in the House budget -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »I've said several times I respected Obama's decision to not get involved in Iran and Syria soo.....
I respect American govt in many aspects but not when it comes to foreign policy, it's terrible.
It's BEYOND that - since it doesn't even exist just which low ranking entity is gonna take the fall for the secretary of state? huh? we sure couldn't hold the responsible person for there incompetence could we? I'm sure if enough smoke screens are put forth, when things clear we'll see who's to blame - ? ? never runs upward.
LOL yeah don't expect anyone in the administration to take the blame for this Libya mess. Although to be fair, Republicans are the ones who cut consulate aid in the House budget
Of course - I'm really surprised they haven't blamed Bush for those cuts. Seriously,this administration rarely if ever takes any responsibility for there actions.....oh he did get bin laden - so I guess that nullifies all those other blunders?
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Well I'll be ? DAMNED.........
Hillary Clinton takes responsibility for the Libya mess....I was wrong, someone finally takes responsibility for this disaster, although Obama still screwed up by agreeing to the stupid Libyan war to begin with
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/15/hillary-clinton-benghazi-libya_n_1968863.html
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton issued a mea culpa Tuesday for the deadly Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, which claimed the lives of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three others.
"I take responsibility," Clinton said to CNN's Elise Labott, after arriving in Peru on a diplomatic visit.
The Obama administration has taken fire in recent weeks over its original claims that the attack resulted from a spontaneous protest in front of the consulate, stemming from outrage over the anti-Islamic film "The Innocence of Muslims." The State Department has since backed away from those claims, confirming last week that there had been no protest at the consulate's gates, and that the attack appeared to have been premeditated by extremist elements. Reports that security requests in the months leading up to the attack were denied have added fuel to the fire.
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