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MsSouthern
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This is the official PR political thread
Feel free to voice your opinions, concerns and questions
Now I know things can get heated so let's try to be adults in here....name calling and flat out rude posts will be deleted
I'll start .....
Did you watch the debate last night? What are your thoughts in Biden ? What about Ryan ?
Who did better?
Feel free to voice your opinions, concerns and questions
Now I know things can get heated so let's try to be adults in here....name calling and flat out rude posts will be deleted
I'll start .....
Did you watch the debate last night? What are your thoughts in Biden ? What about Ryan ?
Who did better?
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lmao..Biden was being semi-disrespectful but he had us laughing with the smiles and the obvious feathers getting ruffled.
Ryan: I don't think you should interrupt
Biden: Well don't take up the whole four minutes then!
lmao
I couldn't watch the whole thing cause they were getting a little worked up for my tastes. I'm tired of the bickering, cause if that's what they're doing on national TV then imagine what's going on behind the scenes when it's time for crucial decisions to be be made. So busy disagreeing nothing ends up getting done..and we're the ones paying for it in the end. -
Biden had me laughing too.....Ryan look like a fool a few times.
Plus Ryan couldn't give solid answers.
I'm disgusted with the Republican stance on issues that pertain to women. Cutting Planned parenthood funding....allowing businesses to decide if insurance should cover birth control ....and backing bills that narrow the definition of ? to forceable ? .
It's disgusting !!!!! -
ryans stance on abortion was ? creepy
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Ms Southern wrote: »Biden had me laughing too.....Ryan look like a fool a few times.
Plus Ryan couldn't give solid answers.
I'm disgusted with the Republican stance on issues that pertain to women. Cutting Planned parenthood funding....allowing businesses to decide if insurance should cover birth control ....and backing bills that narrow the definition of ? to forceable ? .
It's disgusting !!!!!
you really have a problem with the bolded?
why?
the forceable ? idea might have merit.............I need to ponder on it more
I have an issue that allows anything to minimize a victim's ability to be protected, however I got an issue how we don't force people to take responsibility for themselves -
can someone give me a cliff notes version of the forceable ? issue plz?
my understanding of it
is that Republicans want to change ? to be considered "by force" only in order to prosecute someone for ?
instead of just the lack of consent
in other words: the court would have to show force on the victim in order to prove ? occurred
instead of the old standard of just proving lack of consent by the victim: ie. someone being under influence of drugs/mentally incapacitated/failure to say no out of fear/etc -
blakfyahking wrote: »
you really have a problem with the bolded?
why?
the forceable ? idea might have merit.............I need to ponder on it more
I have an issue that allows anything to minimize a victim's ability to be protected, however I got an issue how we don't force people to take responsibility for themselves
Yes I do ...why should viagra be covered and bc not ??? And why should my employer make these decisions ????
Also a child cannot consent to sex so if a 11 has sex with someone over 18 ...you don't think its ? or someone who is mhmr who can't function without help ...obviously they can't consent to sex if they can't take care of themselves ??? Ryan wont even comment on what he means by forceable ? ....yet folks are supposed to just roll with it .
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Ms Southern wrote: »blakfyahking wrote: »
you really have a problem with the bolded?
why?
the forceable ? idea might have merit.............I need to ponder on it more
I have an issue that allows anything to minimize a victim's ability to be protected, however I got an issue how we don't force people to take responsibility for themselves
Yes I do ...why should viagra be covered and bc not ??? And why should my employer make these decisions ????
Also a child cannot consent to sex so if a 11 has sex with someone over 18 ...you don't think its ? or someone who is mhmr who can't function without help ...obviously they can't consent to sex if they can't take care of themselves ??? Ryan wont even comment on what he means by forceable ? ....yet folks are supposed to just roll with it .
I don't think viagra should be covered either
I think employers should be able to make those decisions since they are forced to pay for insurance............one of the main reasons healthcare is so expensive is because everyone is generally forced to pay insurance for medical care to be affordable
however birth control can be considered to be medically necessary to a woman's health..............my issue is forcing a company to pay higher premiums
as far as the ? issue, I'm ambivalent on the forceable ? issue unless they explicitly outline how they plan to enforce the new rule................I am not cool with the idea of a minor or mentally vulnerable person being required to show force
but I think we need to ? this double standard that women are equal enough to get someone locked up, but not equal enough to be expected to take responsibility for their part in a questionable ? -
Actually for some women bc is a medical necessity. And Republicans are only concerned about insurance paying for bc ...they have no issues with the viagra.
Personally I want my bc covered for.myself and any other woman who is being responsible and not trying to have kids. Now republicans are also against abortion ...so basically they want everyone to just have a billion kids but wait ...they have.issues with welfare too. So who is going to support theses kids that folks can't afford to have ????? The foster care system will go bananas. Ugh !!!!
I do think if a woman lies about being ? there should be heavy consequences. But to discount ? is a horrible idea. -
Ms Southern trying to turn this into the new G&S huh?
I will contribute later. -
but you act as if people who cant afford to have kids (currently) are going to stop having kids...they like to have sex and dont care what happens as a result of it...i think you could give BC away for free and chicks (not all) STILL wouldnt be responsible and take it
So making women pay 10 times more for bc will help the situation?
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Ms Southern trying to turn this into the new G&S huh?
I will contribute later.
No
Lol
Nothing wrong with healthy convo...
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Ms Southern wrote: »Actually for some women bc is a medical necessity. And Republicans are only concerned about insurance paying for bc ...they have no issues with the viagra.
Personally I want my bc covered for.myself and any other woman who is being responsible and not trying to have kids. Now republicans are also against abortion ...so basically they want everyone to just have a billion kids but wait ...they have.issues with welfare too. So who is going to support theses kids that folks can't afford to have ????? The foster care system will go bananas. Ugh !!!!
I do think if a woman lies about being ? there should be heavy consequences. But to discount ? is a horrible idea.
the bolded is a slippery slope
cause isn't the argument now that prosecuting chicks for lying about ? will supposedly make victims more reluctant to come forward?
I'm interested in seeing the details of how the forceable ? issue could be implemented fairly at the Federal level.........cause Title 18 doesn't necessarily explicitly outline "? " as a crime, moreso the term used is sexual abuse
I know UCMJ and maybe some state laws explicit define the term ? in their statutes tho -
Ryan is a ? . He still calls his daughter "Bean" from her sonogram pic. Weird ass.
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I'm a young ? and I'm elgiable to vote for the first time.
But can you older heads enlighten me on some ? ?
Seriously, can anybody say that their life got better or worst based on who was the president?
Like ? was all gravy in your life when Clinton was in office, but got ? off with Bush was in office and then is getting better now (or vice versa).
I'm trying to determine what all this ? really mean. It just seems like a dog and pony show to get people to pick sides like its the Superbowl or some ? , but in the end it doesn't really impact your life...at least not directly, because the President basically has no power and everything goes through congress.
So what the ? are people getting so heated and frustrated about? Like if "thier guy" gets elected...? is going to be better for them. -
Ryan was as even more elusive than romney in answering questions and its hilarious his FIVE POINT PLAN. is the same ? obama says.. No new ideas..only old ones.. the republicans want to win.. instead of progress.... but we knew that already.. Was watching a few minutes of the postgame so to speak on CNN and they were talking about Biden being Biden.. no ? its par for the course.. They were ? about his manner/tone..
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I'm a young ? and I'm elgiable to vote for the first time.
But can you older heads enlighten me on some ? ?
Seriously, can anybody say that their life got better or worst based on who was the president?
Like ? was all gravy in your life when Clinton was in office, but got ? off with Bush was in office and then is getting better now (or vice versa).
I'm trying to determine what all this ? really mean. It just seems like a dog and pony show to get people to pick sides like its the Superbowl or some ? , but in the end it doesn't really impact your life...at least not directly, because the President basically has no power and everything goes through congress.
So what the ? are people getting so heated and frustrated about? Like if "their guy" gets elected...? is going to be better for them.
Your tax bracket could dictate how you vote.
I am in the navy reserves so I want Obama to win. He is not a repub war monger that will sign off on the US engaging in meaningless wars.
Also the president is the check signer but not the person that actually writes the check. If you dont like how they money is spent you do you think will get it? The person that wrote the check or the person with there signature on it.
I see my life as being better under Obama. But it could have been worse. All of the legislation he has passed, I agree with. The Veteran bills that has passed, Me and my family has benefited. I lived off that new GI bill (bush I believe) and refinanced my house under HARP II. I am straight financially right now.
Cash for clunkers was right on time.
Waiting for the Dream Act to go through.
Obama Care needs some tweaking but not what Romney trying to do.
Social security needs some tweaking but not what Ryan trying to do.
Make sure you research your local elections too. -
I'm a young ? and I'm elgiable to vote for the first time.
But can you older heads enlighten me on some ? ?
Seriously, can anybody say that their life got better or worst based on who was the president?
Like ? was all gravy in your life when Clinton was in office, but got ? off with Bush was in office and then is getting better now (or vice versa).
I'm trying to determine what all this ? really mean. It just seems like a dog and pony show to get people to pick sides like its the Superbowl or some ? , but in the end it doesn't really impact your life...at least not directly, because the President basically has no power and everything goes through congress.
So what the ? are people getting so heated and frustrated about? Like if "thier guy" gets elected...? is going to be better for them.
me personally nah.........at my level at worst you can say I've gotten less customers
and I've witnessed small business owners straight decide to stay as is vs. hiring more people which = more jobs
my beef is that Obama is the best of a bad situation..........Repubs don't give a ? about the average person, but Democrats really don't either
but Obama is too shook to jump out there and is only catering to whoever keeps him in power.............hopefully we'll see him make major moves if he gets re-elected............but unfortunately I fear it will be more of the same
looking at the national debt is freaking scary cause eventually we will all have to pay for all these excesses............plus too many mofos are getting further entrenched in the poverty circle
SMH @ making healthcare available so that the quality of it goes down...........SMH @ helping mofos get college degrees while at the same time lessening the value of a degree
but anyways, Congress is more to blame than the Obamas/Romneys/Bushes/Clintons IMO............ -
Agreed Ms. S on the bc issue. Republicans are so proud of being pro-life but will ? and complain that they have to use their tax money to cover health insurance/living expenses for other people's children once they're born. Ok, well then why not make birth control more accessible to women instead of this circle ? they're currently trying to push through in regards to our insurance coverage. Isn't that the common sense thing to do?
The only other comment I have on the issue is that I've never seen such blatant lying and insanity from the Republicans as I do now. They have just gone totally off their rocker. It's unfortunate that such a large group of people actually believe the ? they hear from Fox News about Obama not getting anything done. Their party created this mess, and now they want to get mad because the clean up crew is not doing it fast enough for their liking. And the only reason why our recovery hasn't been faster and greater is because of the obstructionist Congress. I keep hearing this outright lie of Obama having control of Congress for his first two years. This is false and I don't know who keeps perpetuating this. The Republicans said since day one they would filibuster or shoot down any proposal made by Obama. From the get go he needed 60 seats in the Senate to get his bills passed. He never had those 60 seats. Only 58 if I recall correctly. He's done alot of trading and compromising and watering down his proposals to get anything done. Our economy hasn't seen a better recovery because these ? Republicans won't (as Joe Biden said last night) get out of the way and let him do what he promised. They have absolutely no one to blame but themselves because they block everything, as they promised they would do when he first took office. I don't know how they can stand themselves honestly. ? 's ridiculous.
And besides that, who holds down a kid and shaves his head just because he's ? ? Um that's not funny to me. And neither is strapping your dog to the roof of the car. Bottom line, how and why would you support the exact same policies that led to this depression in the first place? And who are these voters that are going along with this for the second time. Funny the poorest states in our country are also the most Conservative. Coincidence huh?
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These Republicans ? me with this pro-life stance. A good chunk of these ? support war, the death penalty, and hate anti-gun laws, yet want to act morally superior to people who are pro-abortion?
came in here to say this...most of their platform contradicts any pro-life/anti-abortion stance they have -
I'm a young ? and I'm elgiable to vote for the first time.
But can you older heads enlighten me on some ? ?
Seriously, can anybody say that their life got better or worst based on who was the president?
Like ? was all gravy in your life when Clinton was in office, but got ? off with Bush was in office and then is getting better now (or vice versa).
I'm trying to determine what all this ? really mean. It just seems like a dog and pony show to get people to pick sides like its the Superbowl or some ? , but in the end it doesn't really impact your life...at least not directly, because the President basically has no power and everything goes through congress.
So what the ? are people getting so heated and frustrated about? Like if "thier guy" gets elected...? is going to be better for them.
If President Bush and VP Cheney had not lied about WMDs,
I highly doubt we would have 4,200 US soliders dead and 100 of thousands more crippled and maimed
not to mention over a million Iraqis dead -
I'm a young ? and I'm elgiable to vote for the first time.
But can you older heads enlighten me on some ? ?
Seriously, can anybody say that their life got better or worst based on who was the president?
Like ? was all gravy in your life when Clinton was in office, but got ? off with Bush was in office and then is getting better now (or vice versa).
I'm trying to determine what all this ? really mean. It just seems like a dog and pony show to get people to pick sides like its the Superbowl or some ? , but in the end it doesn't really impact your life...at least not directly, because the President basically has no power and everything goes through congress.
So what the ? are people getting so heated and frustrated about? Like if "thier guy" gets elected...? is going to be better for them.
If President Bush and VP Cheney had not lied about WMDs,
I highly doubt we would have 4,200 US soliders dead and 100 of thousands more crippled and maimed
not to mention over a million Iraqis dead
On a diverging but a semi related point...
Its crazy how up and arms we get about American Casualties in war.. we are amidst a 10 year war in the Afghan and we lost 2,000+ people..
Its sad that solider die but its pretty much comes with the territory.. when going to war... it happens.. But it pales in comparison to the lives that are lost on the other side.. Let it sink in roughly 2000 deaths in a ten year war.. Boy we dont know how good we have it.. Our soldiers go too war... the other part of the world lives in it....
aint no ones lives more valuable than the next i just think we need to put that in perspective sometimes. -
My Ryan ? me off talking about a 5 step plan with no details. True the Dems had the Majority the first two years but they fillerbustered every got damn thing and still are voting against common sense ? all in the name to get back in power. They thriving on bad reports about the state of this country.
