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Quarterback Cam Newton has come under fire this season as he and the Carolina Panthers have struggled. Hall of Famer Warren Moon says the second-year player is getting too much of the blame and claims there's a troubling racial undertone to the criticism.
What's the CS take on it? Constructive criticism or racial undertones?
"I think a lot of this is because so many people want to say 'I told you so' about him but couldn't because he was so good last year," Moon told Yahoo! Sports. "I think people are overreacting. How can he be a bust? He just had one of the great years a rookie has ever had, and now he can't play? Come on."
Newton has been a target of particular criticism for the visible frustration he sometimes shows during games and in his postgame news conferences. Panthers receiver Steve Smith even publicly criticized Newton for sulking on the sidelines during Carolina's lopsided loss to the Giants in Week 3.
Moon, however, said he is especially concerned because when Newton's demeanor is compared to that of other quarterbacks, it's often to other black quarterbacks.
"I heard somebody compare him to Vince Young. It's the same old ? -- it's always a comparison of one black to another black. I get tired of it. I get tired of defending it," Moon told the website.
"If you want to compare him to someone because of his demeanor, compare him to Jay Cutler. There are a lot of guys who whine and moan. Cam's not biting anybody's head off or pushing his linemen (as the Bears quarterback did during a Week 2 loss to the Panthers). He's just disgruntled, and not handling losing well, because, think about it, he basically didn't lose in college," Moon continued.
"I don't think Cam's as bad as Cutler, because Cutler looks like he doesn't give a damn sometimes, or he's yelling and cussing at someone. Cam, he just looks down when they're losing."
Newton had a checkered college career before the Panthers made him the No. 1 overall draft pick in 2011. He was reportedly facing possible expulsion from the University of Florida -- he attended the school for two years, playing in one game in the Gators' BCS national championship season of 2008 -- for academic cheating, when he transferred to a junior college in Texas in the spring of 2009. From there, he signed with Auburn and had an outstanding, Heisman Trophy-winning season and led the Tigers to the national championship.
But Newton's time with Auburn was not without controversy. His eligibility came into question before the 2011 SEC title game when it was revealed that his father and a former Mississippi State player asked MSU for between $120,000 and $180,000 to play for that school out of junior college. Newton was cleared of any wrongdoing by the NCAA.
The Panthers are off to an NFC-worst 1-5 start that triggered the firing of general manager Marty Hurney on Monday. Moon said it's not Newton's fault that Hurney was fired.
"He's not picking the players. He's not playing defense. He's not calling the plays," Moon told the website.
Moon also criticized Panthers offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski for changing the team's offense in a way that might hinder Newton's development. While Newton played in more of a pro-style offense last season, the Panthers, according to Moon, have switched to more of the read-option, which Newton ran at Auburn, and "it's backfiring."
Newton's quarterback rating ranks 23rd in the league, and there are 27 QBs who have thrown more touchdown passes than he has at this point of the season. Newton has just five touchdown passes -- with six interceptions -- and three rushing scores, one season after throwing for 21 touchdowns and running for 14 more. He is ranked 25th in ESPN's quarterback rankings with a Total QBR of 44.3.
After Sunday's loss he said he was going to "bring in a suggestion box" to try to find the answers to the Panthers' offensive woes.
Moon told Yahoo! that he plans to talk to Newton to "find out where his mind is."
"He'll fight through it. We're not even at the halfway point of the season yet, and everybody's throwing in the towel," he told the website. "He just doesn't like losing. Is that bad? No, but you can't show it -- not in this era where there's so much television coverage. You can't have a bad moment on the sidelines anymore. But if that's the worst thing he does, he's fine. That's fixable."
What's the CS take on it? Constructive criticism or racial undertones?
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There are DEFINITE racial undertones to Cam's criticism. Why is that whenever a black QB struggles its "He doesnt read his playbook enough" "he doesnt study" "He relies to much on his athleticism".....its the same three or four cliched critisims whether its Cam, Vick, Jamarcus Russel, McNabb...and if RGTrizzy has a setback next year..it will be the same ? .
Yet we NEVER hear that about Matt Stafford, Tebow, the cracka in Jacksonville, etc. -
Cam demeanor isnt gonna help him with criticism.... but a lot of is is racially motivated.... they never talk about how Carolina has 2 good rb's they gave big money too and never use in big or i formations to run the ball.... Its all shotgun or zone read..... Its like they were waiting for him to ? up so they can say I told u so and now are pushing the other young great black qb over him because his personality fits what they like... Cam needs to mature and prove em wrong on the field and stop celebrating.... get the Lebron from that Boston game in the zone face and just ? ..... Moon hit the nail on the head with the Cutler comparison and how black qbs are always compared to each other.
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1. Definite racial undertones. You never hear Cam compared to Cutler — it's always VY. Moon is right. It's probably a good thing though b/c Cam's in deep doodoo if they start comparing his demeanor to Cutler. Boy would be roasted if he acted the same way.
2. Media don't control a cotdamn thing he do on the field. Cam's play has been weak and he has himself to blame for that. Media is like money ... comes and goes depending on how well you do your job. If he starts winnin they'll come around. Not gonna give the ? an excuse for his fumbles, his ground ? in the clutch, his shoddy play with the game on the line. -
cam has to stop sulking in these press conferences. your going to lose games in the nfl. thats the reason he is getting most of the criticsm.
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the same media that talked bad about him before he ever played a game because all he ever had to do was run the ball? the same media that backtracked during the season once he started playing well? the same media that now is being critical because he isn't playing well? the same media that is in love w/ RG3?
where is the racism?
just b/c a black qb who plays like cam has been playing gets the vince young comparison doesn't mean its racist, its just lazy journalism. -
the same media that talked bad about him before he ever played a game because all he ever had to do was run the ball? the same media that backtracked during the season once he started playing well? the same media that now is being critical because he isn't playing well? the same media that is in love w/ RG3?
where is the racism?
just b/c a black qb who plays like cam has been playing gets the vince young comparison doesn't mean its racist, its just lazy journalism.
their in love with RG3 cuz he is a happy go lucky non threatening black qb personality wise.... They praised Cam last year as well but when he didnt act the way they wanted him to act along with losing they turned on him. hell the media loved Vick and Vince as well.... hold all qbs to the same standard... Cam throws a teammate under the bus its negative... Cutler and Aaron Rodgers and Brady do it all the time... also imagine if Cam had Rivers or Cutlers ? personality how negative things would be -
the same media that talked bad about him before he ever played a game because all he ever had to do was run the ball? the same media that backtracked during the season once he started playing well? the same media that now is being critical because he isn't playing well? the same media that is in love w/ RG3?
where is the racism?
just b/c a black qb who plays like cam has been playing gets the vince young comparison doesn't mean its racist, its just lazy journalism.
their in love with RG3 cuz he is a happy go lucky non threatening black qb personality wise.... They praised Cam last year as well but when he didnt act the way they wanted him to act along with losing they turned on him. hell the media loved Vick and Vince as well.... hold all qbs to the same standard... Cam throws a teammate under the bus its negative... Cutler and Aaron Rodgers and Brady do it all the time... also imagine if Cam had Rivers or Cutlers ? personality how negative things would be
ok. so its not racist. it has more to do with attitude. or they have it out with cam. or they are lazy. it can be anything. but it cant be racism. you can't sit here and say the media is racist and then turn around and say they love other black qbs; it does't matter the reasons why they light the other guys. a racist is gonna hate a person b/c of color, no matter how they act. -
Definitely racial undertones..... always has been in regards to the critique of black qbs in comparison with their white counterparts.. there is always stronger and more panicky reaction toward the on field play and perception of black qbs
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I forget moon is analyst himself
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I forget moon is analyst himself
thats easy enough to do
Supercam hasn't been himself because Warren Moon refuses to give him back his cape -
There are DEFINITE racial undertones to Cam's criticism. Why is that whenever a black QB struggles its "He doesnt read his playbook enough" "he doesnt study" "He relies to much on his athleticism".....its the same three or four cliched critisims whether its Cam, Vick, Jamarcus Russel, McNabb...and if RGTrizzy has a setback next year..it will be the same ? .
Yet we NEVER hear that about Matt Stafford, Tebow, the cracka in Jacksonville, etc.
but yet you hear about Tony Romo, Jay Cutler, and Mark Sanchez -
also I listened to the interview.... Moon just answered a question he was asked.... the way 1st take made it seem was like he was bringin it up
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the same media that talked bad about him before he ever played a game because all he ever had to do was run the ball? the same media that backtracked during the season once he started playing well? the same media that now is being critical because he isn't playing well? the same media that is in love w/ RG3?
where is the racism?
just b/c a black qb who plays like cam has been playing gets the vince young comparison doesn't mean its racist, its just lazy journalism.
their in love with RG3 cuz he is a happy go lucky non threatening black qb personality wise.... They praised Cam last year as well but when he didnt act the way they wanted him to act along with losing they turned on him. hell the media loved Vick and Vince as well.... hold all qbs to the same standard... Cam throws a teammate under the bus its negative... Cutler and Aaron Rodgers and Brady do it all the time... also imagine if Cam had Rivers or Cutlers ? personality how negative things would be
ok. so its not racist. it has more to do with attitude. or they have it out with cam. or they are lazy. it can be anything. but it cant be racism. you can't sit here and say the media is racist and then turn around and say they love other black qbs; it does't matter the reasons why they light the other guys. a racist is gonna hate a person b/c of color, no matter how they act.
prejudice and bigoted could be better adjectives then..... the attitude they despise is assumed to be ignannt black acting.... RG3 I think grew up in Waco and wont have the same personality as Cam.... -
wow this was shocking
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the same media that talked bad about him before he ever played a game because all he ever had to do was run the ball? the same media that backtracked during the season once he started playing well? the same media that now is being critical because he isn't playing well? the same media that is in love w/ RG3?
where is the racism?
just b/c a black qb who plays like cam has been playing gets the vince young comparison doesn't mean its racist, its just lazy journalism.
their in love with RG3 cuz he is a happy go lucky non threatening black qb personality wise.... They praised Cam last year as well but when he didnt act the way they wanted him to act along with losing they turned on him. hell the media loved Vick and Vince as well.... hold all qbs to the same standard... Cam throws a teammate under the bus its negative... Cutler and Aaron Rodgers and Brady do it all the time... also imagine if Cam had Rivers or Cutlers ? personality how negative things would be
ok. so its not racist. it has more to do with attitude. or they have it out with cam. or they are lazy. it can be anything. but it cant be racism. you can't sit here and say the media is racist and then turn around and say they love other black qbs; it does't matter the reasons why they light the other guys. a racist is gonna hate a person b/c of color, no matter how they act.
prejudice and bigoted could be better adjectives then..... the attitude they despise is assumed to be ignannt black acting.... RG3 I think grew up in Waco and wont have the same personality as Cam....
lol what the hell does that mean? -
the same media that talked bad about him before he ever played a game because all he ever had to do was run the ball? the same media that backtracked during the season once he started playing well? the same media that now is being critical because he isn't playing well? the same media that is in love w/ RG3?
where is the racism?
just b/c a black qb who plays like cam has been playing gets the vince young comparison doesn't mean its racist, its just lazy journalism.
their in love with RG3 cuz he is a happy go lucky non threatening black qb personality wise.... They praised Cam last year as well but when he didnt act the way they wanted him to act along with losing they turned on him. hell the media loved Vick and Vince as well.... hold all qbs to the same standard... Cam throws a teammate under the bus its negative... Cutler and Aaron Rodgers and Brady do it all the time... also imagine if Cam had Rivers or Cutlers ? personality how negative things would be
ok. so its not racist. it has more to do with attitude. or they have it out with cam. or they are lazy. it can be anything. but it cant be racism. you can't sit here and say the media is racist and then turn around and say they love other black qbs; it does't matter the reasons why they light the other guys. a racist is gonna hate a person b/c of color, no matter how they act.
prejudice and bigoted could be better adjectives then..... the attitude they despise is assumed to be ignannt black acting.... RG3 I think grew up in Waco and wont have the same personality as Cam....
lol what the hell does that mean?
u know I mean lol.... there are different type of black folk.... RG3 grew up differently and his personality isnt like Cams white folk will like him better.... u know thw shell necklace white girlfriend, burkenstock shoe wearing niggass and then u have the ? lol -
Lets be real, coming into the league it was a lot of people hoping Cam would fail, starting with the scouts. When he didn't give them that his rookie year they had to shut the ? up, now is just their chance to pop off at the mouth. I mean for ? sakes can we speak about Stewart and Williams ain't worth ? , how their defense ain't ? , or how is coach ain't putting him in a position to win.
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Lol cam came from a well off suburban family
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Lol cam came from a well off suburban family
I know Cam a lil... My sister know his brother Cecil and he used to be around chillin when he was a teen.... they suburbia but they ? . Griffin aint the same type....
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i got a feeling rg3 will go through the same stuff next year
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Lets be real, coming into the league it was a lot of people hoping Cam would fail, starting with the scouts. When he didn't give them that his rookie year they had to shut the ? up, now is just their chance to pop off at the mouth. I mean for ? sakes can we speak about Stewart and Williams ain't worth ? , how their defense ain't ? , or how is coach ain't putting him in a position to win.
exactly
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There are DEFINITE racial undertones to Cam's criticism. Why is that whenever a black QB struggles its "He doesnt read his playbook enough" "he doesnt study" "He relies to much on his athleticism".....its the same three or four cliched critisims whether its Cam, Vick, Jamarcus Russel, McNabb...and if RGTrizzy has a setback next year..it will be the same ? .
Yet we NEVER hear that about Matt Stafford, Tebow, the cracka in Jacksonville, etc.
but yet you hear about Tony Romo, Jay Cutler, and Mark Sanchez
Do you EVER hear that Mark Sanchez "Doesnt study his playbook" Do you ever hear that Tony Romo relies to heavily on his athleticism? The racisim is prevalent within the criticisms, because its the EXACT same criticism that has been levelled at other black QBs. -
.There are DEFINITE racial undertones to Cam's criticism. Why is that whenever a black QB struggles its "He doesnt read his playbook enough" "he doesnt study" "He relies to much on his athleticism".....its the same three or four cliched critisims whether its Cam, Vick, Jamarcus Russel, McNabb...and if RGTrizzy has a setback next year..it will be the same ? .
Yet we NEVER hear that about Matt Stafford, Tebow, the cracka in Jacksonville, etc.
but yet you hear about Tony Romo, Jay Cutler, and Mark Sanchez
Do you EVER hear that Mark Sanchez "Doesnt study his playbook" Do you ever hear that Tony Romo relies to heavily on his athleticism? The racisim is prevalent within the criticisms, because its the EXACT same criticism that has been levelled at other black QBs.
yes, they've said mark sanchez and tony romo both are too concerned with being hollywood. romo gets ripped for playing in golf tournaments and going on vacations. sanchez for being out on the party scene and doing photoshoots. the media says that that's time the could be using towards football. the athleticism thing, no. b/c they don't have as much. thats not racist thats just a fact of life. -
This is the best way i can put it. The dislike for cam by the media is simply an 'out' for them.
its kinda like when the media does preseason rankings for college football and college basketball. Let's say a team gets a preseason top 5. Then after a few weeks they are 2-3 or 1-2 or whatever the case may be. Well the media is gonna start talking about what is wrong with that team, about how they are underachieving, or they aren't prepared for games, or whatever the case may be.
Basically, the media is gonna blame the team for not playing up to that ranking. but the fact is THE MEDIA GAVE THEM THAT RANKING AND NOW THEY BLAME THE TEAM FOR NOT LIVING UP TO THE EXPECTATIONS THAT THEY SET FOR THAT THEAM. its ? . its an easy out for the people who rank teams and players. the media coming out and saying "oh cam newton he's a top 10 qb" then the season starts and he's just average. You think they are gonna be like "well i was wrong in my analysis..." no, they are gonna say, "cam newton can be a top ten qb, he just has to prepare better and keep his head on straight" and they are going to do that to any team or player that they rate too high and it comes back to bite them.
