This video really shows how screwed up the distribution of wealth in this country is...
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The Lonious Monk
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Lol @ socialism...them craccas aint givin up they bread...nice idea tho!
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.......for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Revelation 18:23
This is the end my friend. How much worse could it get?
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Yeah...that's why everything is slowly (and in some places) rapidly falling apart. States, counties, cities going bankrupt and having financial trouble all at the same time...[sarcasm]must be a coincidence [/sarcasm]
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It's crazy. I'm pretty sure the crazy disparity of wealth in this country is as bad or worse than it was in France right before the French Revolution. People lost their heads because of that ? there. What's going to happen here?
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Yeah, that's crazy. The real question though is are there any solutions to this problem or are we too far gone?
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Hard to say. Honestly, I think such a result is the very result of Capitalism. The whole system is set up for people to try and get more and more money by any means necessary. I think it would literally take legislation combating some of the practices we see in business in order to effect any real change. We'll never see that.
For example, a new technology comes out. A certain business can save money and increase profit by implementing this new technology and getting rid of a bunch of people that used to do the job. That change will mean more money for the people at the top of the business while those grunts are cast aside and just add to those under the poverty line. As long as the door is open for things like that to happen, the rich will always get richer and the poor will always get poorer. But how do you stop something like that from happening? That kinda thing is pretty much built into the system. -
Welp, Americans are far too soft and complacent to revolt. We've been seeing, for better or worse, revolution all over the globe. The Arabs, French, Greeks, Italians, some of the Spanish etc all acting a fool because they see what's going on but like the guy in the video said: perception is different from reality.
An American can never know why the Greeks lost their minds, fact is: our media is so slanted and shady you'll only know what you need to continue your line of thinking.
Liberals believe its anti-austerity (which it very well may be), Conservatives grumble that its because they don't want to give up their "big government" and cushy lifestyles...which is certainly a part of it, but whatever their reasons they have nerves and ? to fight their government tooth and nail.
Americans? Well we'll rationalize it, "poor folks don't work hard enough!", "the market knows best!" Yada yada yada until it begins to encroach on their pocketbooks then it becomes an issue. This sequester ordeal that's on the horizon...ohhhh its gonna turn the walls brown, I can't wait. -
Glad im in tha 1%...
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It's not really about softness. It's about the illusion of the American Dream. It's always sold so hard that anyone in this country can make their way to that upper echelon with a little hard work. Therein lies the problem. People don't see it as being unfair because most of them believe that their ship will one day come in and they will be able to advance. Think about all the poor Republicans that vote for people that are trying to pass agendas that only help the rich. They do it because they literally believe being rich is just a matter of hard work and perserverance and one day they will be able to move up to a higher level too. They don't understand that the system isn't what it's cracked up to be. Most people also don't have a good understanding of just how small a percentage of the country is really doing that good.
Think about the Black community. People spend so much time idolizing athletes, entertainers, etc... that they buy into this false impression that there are a lot of people really doing it big like that. They don't really comprehend what a small number actually is. -
Not shocking...only a reminder. The funny thing is, the ? who claim to be superbly balling on this site don't think they are in that lower 40 percent
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Outside of family, ideals will never match reality. Nothing comes to a dreamer but sleep.
I may never reach the 1%, but damn it if I don't spend my life working toward that direction, and lace seeds to work toward that direction. maybe in a few generations, they can be bossed up, because as long as us humans crave money and power this ? will never change. may as well accept that and learn/play this game as well as possible. i'll leave that changing the game ? to y'all. i'm embracing the insanity (reality).
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Economics is the last thing on my mind when I'm throwing $1 bills at less than desirable exotic Dancers.
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leftcoastkev wrote: »Outside of family, ideals will never match reality. Nothing comes to a dreamer but sleep.
I may never reach the 1%, but damn it if I don't spend my life working toward that direction, and lace seeds to work toward that direction. maybe in a few generations, they can be bossed up, because as long as us humans crave money and power this ? will never change. may as well accept that and learn/play this game as well as possible. i'll leave that changing the game ? to y'all.
Everything you said is pretty much the exact opposite of reality. It's not about learning to play the game because what the video shows is that the game is rigged. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »leftcoastkev wrote: »Outside of family, ideals will never match reality. Nothing comes to a dreamer but sleep.
I may never reach the 1%, but damn it if I don't spend my life working toward that direction, and lace seeds to work toward that direction. maybe in a few generations, they can be bossed up, because as long as us humans crave money and power this ? will never change. may as well accept that and learn/play this game as well as possible. i'll leave that changing the game ? to y'all.
Everything you said is pretty much the exact opposite of reality. It's not about learning to play the game because what the video shows is that the game is rigged.
What's your solution? What are you personally implementing? -
leftcoastkev wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »leftcoastkev wrote: »Outside of family, ideals will never match reality. Nothing comes to a dreamer but sleep.
I may never reach the 1%, but damn it if I don't spend my life working toward that direction, and lace seeds to work toward that direction. maybe in a few generations, they can be bossed up, because as long as us humans crave money and power this ? will never change. may as well accept that and learn/play this game as well as possible. i'll leave that changing the game ? to y'all.
Everything you said is pretty much the exact opposite of reality. It's not about learning to play the game because what the video shows is that the game is rigged.
What's your solution? What are you personally implementing?
I'm not personally implementing anything. Nowhere did I say I had a solution or even believed a solution existed at this point.
I'm just noting that your post shows that you don't quite understand the ramifications of things. It's not about learning to play a game. It's not about you teaching your seeds to play the game and them one day achieving. If the system continues as it is, ? will fall apart. You seem to believe that ? is just business as usual and to be expected. The whole point of the video is that the situations is far worse than any reasonable expectation of what it should be. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »leftcoastkev wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »leftcoastkev wrote: »Outside of family, ideals will never match reality. Nothing comes to a dreamer but sleep.
I may never reach the 1%, but damn it if I don't spend my life working toward that direction, and lace seeds to work toward that direction. maybe in a few generations, they can be bossed up, because as long as us humans crave money and power this ? will never change. may as well accept that and learn/play this game as well as possible. i'll leave that changing the game ? to y'all.
Everything you said is pretty much the exact opposite of reality. It's not about learning to play the game because what the video shows is that the game is rigged.
What's your solution? What are you personally implementing?
I'm not personally implementing anything. Nowhere did I say I had a solution or even believed a solution existed at this point.
I'm just noting that your post shows that you don't quite understand the ramifications of things. It's not about learning to play a game. It's not about you teaching your seeds to play the game and them one day achieving. If the system continues as it is, ? will fall apart. You seem to believe that ? is just business as usual and to be expected. The whole point of the video is that the situations is far worse than any reasonable expectation of what it should be.
gotcha, we likely come from different perspectives.
my view is even if what you said is true "the game is rigged", then what are you gonna do?
a person can basically do 1 of 3 things.
1. sit on the sidelines, look at stuff, complain and say "oh life is ? up, it's all bad".
2. formulate a solution and work toward changing what they feel is messed up.
3. set yourself up within this game to get as far as they can within it, even if you never reach the top.
if you aren't personally implementing anything and if you don't believe there is any solution, then we can make 10000 posts like this and well...........it's just internet chatter that.......leads to nothing. what's the point. yeah, it's ? up. now what's the next step for me? oh ok, i'mma try to make my life as comfortable as possible within this rigged game. if you're born, you have no other choice but to be in it.
"You seem to believe that ? is just business as usual and to be expected."
I do.
Life ain't fair, I've accepted that. No point in me playing by rules (ideals) that don't exist (in reality).
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I don't believe in that ? distribution of wealth.
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Im not a doom and gloom type. The glass is half full. The economy slowly adds jobs every month. I see it all around things slowly coming back. I been bout my money regardless. The picture is actually improving. My advice is do your part to not get left behind. Cause nobody cares if you do.
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leftcoastkev wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »leftcoastkev wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »leftcoastkev wrote: »Outside of family, ideals will never match reality. Nothing comes to a dreamer but sleep.
I may never reach the 1%, but damn it if I don't spend my life working toward that direction, and lace seeds to work toward that direction. maybe in a few generations, they can be bossed up, because as long as us humans crave money and power this ? will never change. may as well accept that and learn/play this game as well as possible. i'll leave that changing the game ? to y'all.
Everything you said is pretty much the exact opposite of reality. It's not about learning to play the game because what the video shows is that the game is rigged.
What's your solution? What are you personally implementing?
I'm not personally implementing anything. Nowhere did I say I had a solution or even believed a solution existed at this point.
I'm just noting that your post shows that you don't quite understand the ramifications of things. It's not about learning to play a game. It's not about you teaching your seeds to play the game and them one day achieving. If the system continues as it is, ? will fall apart. You seem to believe that ? is just business as usual and to be expected. The whole point of the video is that the situations is far worse than any reasonable expectation of what it should be.
gotcha, we likely come from different perspectives.
my view is even if what you said is true "the game is rigged", then what are you gonna do?
a person can basically do 1 of 3 things.
1. sit on the sidelines, look at stuff, complain and say "oh life is ? up, it's all bad".
2. formulate a solution and work toward changing what they feel is messed up.
3. set yourself up within this game to get as far as they can within it, even if you never reach the top.
if you aren't personally implementing anything and if you don't believe there is any solution, then we can make 10000 posts like this and well...........it's just internet chatter that.......leads to nothing. what's the point. yeah, it's ? up. now what's the next step for me? oh ok, i'mma try to make my life as comfortable as possible within this rigged game. if you're born, you have no other choice but to be in it.
"You seem to believe that ? is just business as usual and to be expected."
I do.
Life ain't fair, I've accepted that. No point in me playing by rules (ideals) that don't exist (in reality).
Actually we don't disagree. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with your idea that you just persevere and try to move forward as best you can despite how ? up the situation is. I believe the same thing. At the end of the day, what else you can do. Until, the powder keg erupts, you have to just deal with what you're given.
My point in this topic wasn't so much to try and solve the problem or say that people shouldn't even try anymore because of how ? up things are. My point was more just to spread the revelation because I really don't think most people understand just how bad it is and what the consequences of such a distribution are.Makaveli Joker wrote: »I don't believe in that ? distribution of wealth.
Why not? There are multiple multi-billionaires in this country. Do you know how many poor people you'd have to put together to equal the net worth of just one of those people? Such a distribution is almost obvious when you think about it. Take any big company out there as a microcosm of the country in general and then compare how much the CEO and other board members make to what the the average worker makes. If you don't want to do the work than just look at this:
http://money.cnn.com/2012/04/19/news/economy/ceo-pay/index.htm
The average CEO makes 380 times that of the typical worker. In other words, the amount of money being brought in by that one person is equal to that brought in by 380 of the lower people working in the company. Now consider other people in the board are probably making similar amounts of money. You're literally talking about dozens of people hording more money than thousands of people working under them.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »It's not really about softness. It's about the illusion of the American Dream. It's always sold so hard that anyone in this country can make their way to that upper echelon with a little hard work. Therein lies the problem. People don't see it as being unfair because most of them believe that their ship will one day come in and they will be able to advance. Think about all the poor Republicans that vote for people that are trying to pass agendas that only help the rich. They do it because they literally believe being rich is just a matter of hard work and perserverance and one day they will be able to move up to a higher level too. They don't understand that the system isn't what it's cracked up to be. [\U] Most people also don't have a good understanding of just how small a percentage of the country is really doing that good.
Think about the Black community. People spend so much time idolizing athletes, entertainers, etc... that they buy into this false impression that there are a lot of people really doing it big like that. They don't really comprehend what a small number actually is.
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--Oh softness is a part of it, don't get it twisted. There were literally thousands, maybe millions of people that agreed with the whole Occupy Wall Street movement but only a few were willing to take it to the extreme they took it. OWS was moderate in its workload, all you rally had to do was show up...and people wouldn't even do that.
--But I agree with what you said because ignorance is an even larger part of the problem. Being spoon-fed these dreams since birth, and then having them constantly reinforced with psuedo-examples like Zuckerberg or Jobs, you know upper middle class cats that were already on the verge of being rich and had plenty opportunities coming up, it makes it difficult for the average man to see it.
--I think, in fact I'm sure that most people understand that they won't be rich, but that doesn't mean they have to be miserably poor either. It shouldn't be a game of either/or and that's what its becoming...its also a problem. When people can't live well off a trade or being a layman the world is in a sad place. Everyone can't play ball or be a CEO, that's just a fact. -
you really believe you will be happy in the top 10 percent anyway?
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you really believe you will be happy in the top 10 percent anyway?
Nope, I wouldn't want to be there. Money just isn't that important to me. That's not really the point though. It's not so much that everybody believes they deserve to be in the top 10. The problem is that there is such a relatively miniscule amount of the countries wealth split by the other 90%.
Step back and think about something for a second. Look at the way money is actually distributed, and now think about how your life would be if it was distributed in the way people actually think it is. Looking at that chart I don't think it's out of question to say that the average middle class family would probably be working with 10 - 20 K more a year. What would your life be like if you were making 10K more a year than you are now?
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Do not think that those in power do not see the ? coming thus the reason they are pushing to disarm the populace nothing is not connected in this world...The Lonious Monk wrote: »It's crazy. I'm pretty sure the crazy disparity of wealth in this country is as bad or worse than it was in France right before the French Revolution. People lost their heads because of that ? there. What's going to happen here?
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Somehow related to this discussion:
Land of the Dead
BY ROGER EBERT / June 24, 2005
In a world where the dead are returning to life, the word "trouble" has lost its meaning. --Dennis Hopper in "Land of the Dead"
Now this is interesting. In the future world of "George A. Romero's Land of the Dead," both zombies and their victims have started to evolve. The zombies don't simply shuffle around mindlessly, eating people. And the healthy humans don't simply shoot them. The zombies have learned to communicate on a rudimentary level, to make plans, however murky, and to learn from their tormenters. When the zombie named Big Daddy picks up a machine gun in this movie, that is an ominous sign.
The healthy humans, on the other hand, have evolved a class system. Those with money and clout live in "Fiddler's Green," a luxury high-rise where all their needs are catered to under one roof -- and just as well, because they are not eager to go outside. Other survivors cluster in the city at the foot of the tower, in a city barricaded against the zombie hordes outside. Mercenaries stage raids outside the safe zone in Dead Reckoning, a gigantic armored truck, and bring back canned food, gasoline and ? .
The most intriguing single shot in "Land of the Dead" is a commercial for Fiddler's Green, showing tanned and smiling residents, dressed in elegant leisurewear, living the good life. They look like the white-haired eternally youthful golfers in ads for retirement paradises. The shot is intriguing for two reasons: (1) Why does Fiddler's Green need to advertise, when it is full and people are literally dying to get in? and (2) What is going through the minds of its residents, as they relax in luxury, sip drinks, shop in designer stores and live the good life? Don't they know the world outside is one of unremitting conflict and misery?
Well, yes, they probably do, and one of the reasons George A. Romero's zombie movies have remained fresh is that he suggests such questions. The residents of Fiddler's Green and the zombies have much the same relationship as citizens of rich nations have with starving orphans and refugees. The lesson is clear: It's good to live in Fiddler's Green.
That's why Cholo (John Leguizamo) wants to move in. He's one of the best mercenaries in the hire of Kaufman (Dennis Hopper), who is the Donald Trump of Fiddler's Green. Kaufman sits in his penthouse, smokes good cigars, sips brandy and gets rich, although the movie never explains how money works in this economy, where possessions are acquired by looting and retained by force. How, for that matter, do the residents of Fiddler's Green earn a living? Do they spend all day in their casual wear, flashing those white teeth as they perch on the arms of each other's lounge chairs? The thing that bothers me about ads for retirement communities is that the residents seem condemned to leisure.
Cholo works under Riley (Simon Baker), the leader of Kaufman's hired force and the movie's hero. Riley is responsible calm, and sane. Cholo is not, and Leguizamo plays another one of his off-the-wall loose cannons. He has added an unreasonable amount of interest to any number of recent movies. Also important to the plot is Slack (Asia Argento), a sometime ? who is beautiful and heroic and intended for better things, and is thrown into a pit of zombies to fend for herself. For that matter, zombies themselves are occasionally hung by the heels with bulls-eyes painted on them, for target practice. And Romero finds still new and entertaining ways for unspeakably disgusting things to happen to the zombies and their victims.
The balance of power in this ordered little world is upset when Kaufman refuses Cholo's request to move into Fiddler's Green. There is a long waiting list, etc. Cholo steals Dead Reckoning, he is pursued, the zombies get (somewhat) organized, and Big Daddy (Eugene Clark) begins to develop a gleam of intelligence in his dead blue eyes.
The puzzle in all the zombie movies is why any zombies are still -- I was about to write "alive," but I guess the word is "moving." Shooting them in the head or decapitating them seems simple enough, and dozens are mowed down with machine guns by the troops in Dead Reckoning. Guards at the city barriers ? countless more. Since they are obviously zombies and no diagnosis is necessary before execution on sight, why do they seem to be winning?
This and other questions may await Romero's next movie. It's good to see him back in the genre he invented with "Night of the Living Dead," and still using zombies not simply for target practice but as a device for social satire. It's probably not practical from a box office point of view, but I would love to see a movie set entirely inside a thriving Fiddler's Green. There would be zombies outside but we'd never see them or deal with them. We would simply regard the Good Life as it is lived by those who have walled the zombies out. Do they relax? Have they peace of mind? Do the miseries of others weigh upon them? The parallels with the real world are tantalizing.
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050623/REVIEWS/50614001 -
this is a thread topic that should talked about more often
good drop t/s
however, it only reinforces my belief in capitalism
a lot of people don't consider that these wanna-be socialist policies have only grown wealth disparity
the reason wealth disparity is so prevalent now is because you have a placated populace
one that is too uneducated to pay attention to the issues
too lazy as a culture
too indifferent to personal responsibility and ambition
hell, even physically too out of shape to be a soldier for the revolution
? been taking these petty handouts from the govt thinking they getting something while the rich continue consolidating their resources
mofos sitting around mad expecting the govt to give us seeds for free
are blinded to the fact that the soil we trying to grow in has already been compromised SMH
