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Egypt is on a knife edge. Egyptians are waiting anxiously to find out what is going to happen next. It is a feeling reminiscent of the last days of former President Hosni Mubarak's rule. The next few hours could change everything.
There is shooting tonight at Cairo University, where the Health Ministry reports that four people have been killed in clashes between supporters and opponents of the President. In a speech this evening, Morsi was defiant, made no concessions, and included such gems as “my iron will [to remain in office?] is with my people and is unshaken.” To most people, 14 million people in the streets might seem like a difficult thing to ignore. Apparently not to President Morsi, however.
Final count by #Egypt medics: 16 killed around Cairo University in clashes last night between pro-Morsi demonstrators and protesters.
If you missed the happenings overnight (US time) in Egypt, let me give you a quick run-down. The key from last night is that Morsi and the Egyptian military have both - using slightly different phrasings - pledged a battle to the death over control of the state, making a confrontation at the end of the military’s 48 hour deadline almost inevitable.
As noted yesterday, as Morsi’s control over the state apparatus seemed to fade, he and other Muslim Brotherhood leaders made increasingly explicit calls for street violence and martyrdom by its followers. Meanwhile over the course of the night, the country’s military - in advance of its own deadline - seemed to be taken control of parts of the state apparatus. There have also been unconfirmed reports that the military has already put key Muslim Brotherhood leaders under house arrest. By this morning, the Interior Ministry was publicly saying it would stand with the military against public violence.
This morning the military will or already has convened a meeting of all political factions to discuss its ‘road map’ for post-Morsi Egypt. With the military, the Interior Ministry lined up against it, significant non-MB Islamist factions standing apart and millions remaining in the street, Morsi and the Brotherhood appear already to have lost control of the state. The ‘coup’ seems almost to have happened in advance of itself. But the prospect of deadly street battles seems very real regardless.
lol before you even start kingblaze:
Um...the Egyptian people elected Morsi, and Morsi made promises to get the kind of US backing needed to move Egypt beyond the Mubarak era. Then Morsi/MB reneged on the promises and chaos ensued. I think Obama can be criticized for not fighting Morsi's candidacy earlier on, but the main thing they wanted was a peaceful transition. Not really fair to describe Obama as a "backer" of Morsi as if they were allied politically. They most certainly are not - Obama's comment recently about violence against women was aimed at Muslim Brotherhood and should be viewed by them as ominous.
so yes ? is ignant out chea
Okay moving on because not everything is about Obama believe it or not:
Alarmed, the government of Kuwait urgently called on its nationals to leave Egypt and discouraged further travel to the country, for fear it could descend into chaos.
On Tuesday night Morsi gave a defiant speech, praising as “great” the controversial constitution that passed last December by a little over 60 percent of the vote, with only a 30 percent turnout. That constitution is rejected by most Egyptians as having theocratic implications and as the fruit of a non-consensual drafting process in which the Muslim Brotherhood and Salafi fundamentalists had undue representation. Morsi used the word “legitimacy” 72 times in a short speech, underlining that he was democratically elected and saying that he has a responsibility to stay in office.
>Morsi used the word “legitimacy” 72 times in a short speech
damn son what Tywin say....
http://youtu.be/obYtQaquTFU
What Mursi should have said in his rambling speech last night was that the military’s ultimatum was unnecessary, and that when he had earlier offered to engage with the protesters, he had in mind creating just the kind of road map and transitional coalition government that the armed forces appeared themselves to be proposing. What would he have had to lose? By then, at least five members of his cabinet had resigned, abandoning what they saw as a sinking ship.
Instead, Mursi decided to call the military’s bluff, always a bad move when the other side has tanks and you don’t.
lol.
Minister of Defense, Brig. Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi issued a statement that the army would intervene to save the country from any outbreak of terrorism. (Right wing Muslims have been threatening to turn to terror tactics if Morsi is forced from office).
The day began with a phone call to Morsi from US President Barack Obama. What Obama said, exactly, remains unknown. But Elise Labott of CNN reported that administration insiders told her that Obama was urging Morsi to hold early elections.
This explosive news sounded like naked American interference in Egyptian affairs, on behalf of the Rebellion movement that is seeking Morsi’s resignation. The State Department quickly moved to deny the report, but later in the day admitted that Obama explored a range of resolutions with Morsi, and that resignation figured among them. Ms. Labott must have gotten whiplash from the USG revelations and denials, and someone owes her an apology.
Morsi had said on Monday that Obama was supporting him as the legitimately elected president of Egypt. Morsi either misunderstood or misrepresented the American president.
of course.......
The crisis could have a significant effect on the global economy. The benchmark price of crude oil for delivery in August rose by $2.22 to $101.82 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange, the highest since early May last year........
btw, this story is MOVING SO FAST Morsi has apparently been put under house arrest since i first started this post!
@NewsBreaker 23m
BREAKING: Witnesses say Egypt army erects barbed wire, barriers around barracks where Pres. Morsi is working
@NewsBreaker 25m
NOW: Reports military deploying at key sites and intersections, not only in Cairo, Egypt; also highway to Alexandria.
here they are praying:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaker
http://blogs.aljazeera.com/liveblog/topic/egypt-21121
Egyptian activist twitter: https://twitter.com/Sandmonkey
Juan Cole analysis is GOAT http://www.juancole.com/
Egypt is on a knife edge. Egyptians are waiting anxiously to find out what is going to happen next. It is a feeling reminiscent of the last days of former President Hosni Mubarak's rule. The next few hours could change everything.
There is shooting tonight at Cairo University, where the Health Ministry reports that four people have been killed in clashes between supporters and opponents of the President. In a speech this evening, Morsi was defiant, made no concessions, and included such gems as “my iron will [to remain in office?] is with my people and is unshaken.” To most people, 14 million people in the streets might seem like a difficult thing to ignore. Apparently not to President Morsi, however.
Final count by #Egypt medics: 16 killed around Cairo University in clashes last night between pro-Morsi demonstrators and protesters.
If you missed the happenings overnight (US time) in Egypt, let me give you a quick run-down. The key from last night is that Morsi and the Egyptian military have both - using slightly different phrasings - pledged a battle to the death over control of the state, making a confrontation at the end of the military’s 48 hour deadline almost inevitable.
As noted yesterday, as Morsi’s control over the state apparatus seemed to fade, he and other Muslim Brotherhood leaders made increasingly explicit calls for street violence and martyrdom by its followers. Meanwhile over the course of the night, the country’s military - in advance of its own deadline - seemed to be taken control of parts of the state apparatus. There have also been unconfirmed reports that the military has already put key Muslim Brotherhood leaders under house arrest. By this morning, the Interior Ministry was publicly saying it would stand with the military against public violence.
This morning the military will or already has convened a meeting of all political factions to discuss its ‘road map’ for post-Morsi Egypt. With the military, the Interior Ministry lined up against it, significant non-MB Islamist factions standing apart and millions remaining in the street, Morsi and the Brotherhood appear already to have lost control of the state. The ‘coup’ seems almost to have happened in advance of itself. But the prospect of deadly street battles seems very real regardless.
lol before you even start kingblaze:
Um...the Egyptian people elected Morsi, and Morsi made promises to get the kind of US backing needed to move Egypt beyond the Mubarak era. Then Morsi/MB reneged on the promises and chaos ensued. I think Obama can be criticized for not fighting Morsi's candidacy earlier on, but the main thing they wanted was a peaceful transition. Not really fair to describe Obama as a "backer" of Morsi as if they were allied politically. They most certainly are not - Obama's comment recently about violence against women was aimed at Muslim Brotherhood and should be viewed by them as ominous.
so yes ? is ignant out chea
Okay moving on because not everything is about Obama believe it or not:
Alarmed, the government of Kuwait urgently called on its nationals to leave Egypt and discouraged further travel to the country, for fear it could descend into chaos.
On Tuesday night Morsi gave a defiant speech, praising as “great” the controversial constitution that passed last December by a little over 60 percent of the vote, with only a 30 percent turnout. That constitution is rejected by most Egyptians as having theocratic implications and as the fruit of a non-consensual drafting process in which the Muslim Brotherhood and Salafi fundamentalists had undue representation. Morsi used the word “legitimacy” 72 times in a short speech, underlining that he was democratically elected and saying that he has a responsibility to stay in office.
>Morsi used the word “legitimacy” 72 times in a short speech
damn son what Tywin say....
http://youtu.be/obYtQaquTFUWhat Mursi should have said in his rambling speech last night was that the military’s ultimatum was unnecessary, and that when he had earlier offered to engage with the protesters, he had in mind creating just the kind of road map and transitional coalition government that the armed forces appeared themselves to be proposing. What would he have had to lose? By then, at least five members of his cabinet had resigned, abandoning what they saw as a sinking ship.
Instead, Mursi decided to call the military’s bluff, always a bad move when the other side has tanks and you don’t.
lol.
Minister of Defense, Brig. Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi issued a statement that the army would intervene to save the country from any outbreak of terrorism. (Right wing Muslims have been threatening to turn to terror tactics if Morsi is forced from office).
The day began with a phone call to Morsi from US President Barack Obama. What Obama said, exactly, remains unknown. But Elise Labott of CNN reported that administration insiders told her that Obama was urging Morsi to hold early elections.
This explosive news sounded like naked American interference in Egyptian affairs, on behalf of the Rebellion movement that is seeking Morsi’s resignation. The State Department quickly moved to deny the report, but later in the day admitted that Obama explored a range of resolutions with Morsi, and that resignation figured among them. Ms. Labott must have gotten whiplash from the USG revelations and denials, and someone owes her an apology.
Morsi had said on Monday that Obama was supporting him as the legitimately elected president of Egypt. Morsi either misunderstood or misrepresented the American president.
of course.......
The crisis could have a significant effect on the global economy. The benchmark price of crude oil for delivery in August rose by $2.22 to $101.82 a barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange, the highest since early May last year........
btw, this story is MOVING SO FAST Morsi has apparently been put under house arrest since i first started this post!
@NewsBreaker 23m
BREAKING: Witnesses say Egypt army erects barbed wire, barriers around barracks where Pres. Morsi is working
@NewsBreaker 25m
NOW: Reports military deploying at key sites and intersections, not only in Cairo, Egypt; also highway to Alexandria.
here they are praying:
https://twitter.com/NewsBreaker
http://blogs.aljazeera.com/liveblog/topic/egypt-21121
Egyptian activist twitter: https://twitter.com/Sandmonkey
Juan Cole analysis is GOAT http://www.juancole.com/
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RT.news is doing live updates.
http://rt.com/news/egypt-milllions-protest-morsi-458/
Morsi's been overthrown. -
These ? aren't ? ' around one bit. They need to make sure no one does anything too reckless, though
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This is good......
We have the same problems......field_ducks wrote: »"when your democratically elected leaders don't live up to their promises time and time again, we must remind them that the people have the power".
Except ? is far too comfortable to stand up......................
Can the U.S. avoid the worldwide protests??????
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just protect the pyramids and the artwork and lets those arabs sort ? out
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EGYPT, once a great, powerful, Black African nation...
Now reduced to a cesspool overrun by Arabic savages and religious extremists.
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Allah_U_Akbar wrote: »
EGYPT, once a great, powerful, Black African nation...
Now reduced to a cesspool overrun by Arabic savages and religious extremists.
SMH
Funny how the world works. -
i have a friend over there. hope he's okay
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if nothing else this should draw away attention from Ethiopia's Renaissance Dam. They were considering conducting air strikes to sabotage it's development but now Egypt may have to revert it's attention to what is taking place at home. This dam will greatly improve the lives of not only Ethiopians but other east Africans nations who share the Nile as well. Egypt has always been a bit of a bully and reaped the Nile's benefit as the expense of east Africans.
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world war
rebels over soldiers is what i say -
Funny thing is, it was the Military rather then the people who had their will expressed. They fairly elected dude. In a democracy, they should have started a process to impeach him unless he made attempts to block all processes and then he should be outed on constitutional grounds or for going against the constitution. What happens to the next leader that they don't like? Last a checked, it wasn't just anti Morsi supporters on the street and the military wasn't elected to make political choices for the citizens like instating a guy as interim president whom only 2days prior started position that was giving to him by Morsi. I'm glad we aren't just outing leaders over here because one group is more Vocal then the next or the Military chooses to support a Right Wing cause or some mess like that. We don't know what the next government will look like, but if they want to avoid electing another Morsi, they should change their Voting rules.
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Lmfao
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a US backed coupe the US gives the Egyptian military 2 Billion a year since 1979. Israel publicly oppose Morsi because his ties with the Muslim Brotherhood.
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you know, the funny thing is that some of the problems that are making people protest are things like "Morsi didn't get me a job," which, honestly, i am not sure any president of Egypt can just snap his fingers and fix.
situation is righteously ? up regardless -
Is this what freedom and democracy looks like? I thought everybody in Egypt was down with his Removal?
Morsi Supporters Killed As Army Opens Fire At Rally In Cairo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/05/morsi-supporters-killed_n_3550196.htmlSecurity forces shot dead at least three supporters of deposed Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi on Friday as a crowd of hundreds tried to march towards the military barracks in Cairo where he is being held by the military that overthrew him. -
Couple week ago this ? was telling his citizen go to Syria and help overthrow the government. And his ass was the one that got overthrown..
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field_ducks wrote: »I was watching an interview with a protester and they asked him why they were taking to the streets, he said "when your democratically elected leaders don't live up to their promises time and time again, we must remind them that the people have the power".
Egyptians are not playing. It's great to witness.
I wish Americans had that kind of commitment and resolve to take it to ours, we are to lazy and preoccupied "me included" it would take organization and a charismatic leader to rally us. I don't see it in our future, the media is to well policed and we are to distracted trying to extract the information from mis-information to find the truth in a speedy enough manner to matter. -
FuriousOne wrote: »Is this what freedom and democracy looks like? I thought everybody in Egypt was down with his Removal?
oh my no. ? is getting real at an exponential rate.
@AymanM
Pro-Morsi supporters breaking pavement to throw stones, men w guns, sticks, knives ready to fight #egypt outside state TV. No police
@sheeraf
Protestors in Tahrir just shot fireworks, as a weapon, against Morsi supporters matching across 6th Oct bridge. No army/police anywhere.
@tarekshalaby
Carrying rocks up the bridge at the corner of Hilton Ramses to the frontline. #Tahrir pic.twitter.com/4JAYvxColj
@KristenMcTighe
Why are army helicopters flying overhead and nothing is being done in #Tahrir? Why aren't police or army anywhere in the square?
@evanchill
But there is now a full on street fight along the corniche near Maspero. Heard two bullets snap through air.
@MaiE_89
Video footage documenting what is allegedly pro-Morsi man shooting gunfire
http://youtu.be/h3-86uXI3GI
@PatrickKingsley
Watching from the Ramses Hilton, it's now out of control. Machine fire just a minute ago. A burning car. Molotovs.
@SherineT
Total mayhem here at Maspero. Thousands against thousands. Street battles. People injured lying on the ground
@AdhamNileFm
Live from #tahrir... one more dead... by pro #morsi bullets... pic.twitter.com/4yysZ9rjxz
@ahauslohner
MB spox @gelhaddad MT: "We wll not compromise or leave streets til #Egypt's legitimacy is restord by reinstating its democrtily elected Prez
@SimaDiab
? ? ...civilians on APCs moving over 6th October Bridge. #cairo #Egypt
@ghazalairshad
Anti-Morsi crowd caught 1 pro-Morsi & dragged him past me. Some were trying to protect him, others trying to beat him w/sticks, rocks, etc.
dey lynch mobbin' out chea
@elZeft
فوارغ تانيه.. pic.twitter.com/vESPPC34DO
@HalaJaber
#Egypt: Official sources quoted: 17 killed and hundreds injured so far today across the country.
17 yea ok
@TheBigPharaoh
At Maspero. Clashes ended and MB left. Maspero locals who joined the fight tilted the balance. People celebrating the "victory" over MB.
@ORHamilton
The Ikhwan have retreated. And the second they were gone the Army & Police APCs drove in, waving like ? heroes.
@ashrafkhalil
Can someone explain why Egyptians have been killing each other on live TV for past 90 minutes & the army just now showed up? Suspicious...
@deena_adel
It pains me to say that this was inevitable, with or without military intervention, violence was going to break out between civillians.
@patrickdehahn
Egypt's interim president Mansour declares curfew in North Sinai from 8PM to 6AM
@MsEntropy
Curfews and states of emergency in #Egypt - because that always works.
Egypt about 8 hours ago
Opposition leader Mohamed ElBaradei has been appointed as Egypt's new prime minister, the state news agency MENA reported, after bloodshed followed the ouster of the country's first freely elected president.
The Tamarod (rebellion) movement, which engineered mass protests culminating in the overthrow of Islamist president Mohamed Morsi on Wednesday, made the announcement on Saturday after talks withAdly Mansour, Egypt's new interim leader.
The news of the appointment was greeted with cheers outside Cairo's Ittihadiya presidential palace, where opponents of Morsi frantically waved Egyptian flags and honked car horns.
It came as the Muslim Brotherhood staged a new show of force in Cairo's Nasr City district to demand that the military restore Morsi, after dozens of people died and hundreds more were injured in 24 hours of violence.
Egypt about 4 hours ago
Warning, some people may find this video disturbing.
It reports to show four anti-Morsi protesters fleeing from Morsi supporters in Alexandria before being surrounded, thrown from a rooftop, and attacked.
Al Jazeera cannot independently verify this footage, which was uploaded to Youtube.
@4:37
http://youtu.be/r60nSaNsFRc
"Relatives and protesters against former Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi, mourn as the coffins of men killed during clashes with supporters of former-president Morsi and Muslim Brotherhood members are carried to a funeral at Salah El Dien mosque in Cairo." [Picture credit: Reuters]
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@Celentan
The Protest in #Egypt from space a day ago! #FOTO pic.twitter.com/E9jP2wZLXp
WOW
some new analysis:
Egyptian citizens overwhelmingly support the mixing of religion and politics. They also just protested in historic numbers against an Islamist ruling party. The political questions facing the Egyptian electorate, then, appear to be what form of Islamism, which Islamists, which of the social, economic, and political laws included in sharia to implement, and how – and perhaps most importantly, how to balance all of this with a democratic system reflecting the will of the people (the data similarly reveal high levels of support for democracy among Egyptians).
In post-Mubarak Egypt, where the Brotherhood is no longer the only Islamist game in town, we do ourselves a disservice to think about Egyptian politics as a binary of pro- and anti-Islamist. At the very least, Egyptian political currents might currently be divided between three strands: pro-Brotherhood Islamists, anti-Brotherhood Islamists, and secularists. Even better, we might start to think of Islamism as a spectrum – with more and less Islamist individuals and parties, conservative and liberal Islamists and parties – based on developing political ideologies and concrete political platforms.
http://themonkeycage.org/2013/07/04/this-is-not-the-end-of-islamism-in-egypt-beyond-the-pro-and-anti-islamist-divide/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+themonkeycagefeed+(The+Monkey+Cage)
Is the failure of the Morsi government an example of how “time moves quickly now,” with the Egyptian public swiftly seeing Islamist rule for what it is and rejecting it decisively, opening the door for more liberal alternatives? Or is this a case where the process [Reuel Marc] Gerecht hopes for [in his book The Islamic Paradox] hasn’t even had time to get off the ground, and the military’s intervention will just return us to the same old cycle of secular dictatorships pre-empting democracy in order to keep the lid on fundamentalists, whose popular appeal endures and eventually prompts another upheaval down the road? The Morsi government was in power long enough to produce a mass protest movement against the Muslim Brotherhood, but was it in power long enough to actually discredit the Brotherhood (at least in its current form) as the most plausible alternative to military rule? If the military actually holds new elections now, will they produce anything like a viable third way between Islamism and dictatorship, Morsi and Mubarak, the minaret and the tank?
http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/03/egypt-and-islamic-democracy/
The lessons from the Algerian experience must hang heavy in the air. The Brotherhood left no choice for the whole rest of society, united, to reject their governance. But, if they stay within the law and eschew major outpourings of violence, they should not be persecuted or prosecuted. If they turn to violence, as some of their rhetoric suggests they might, this will be a calamity. It will lead to civil war, at least of a kind. They will lose, but it will be a generalized catastrophe.
If, on the other hand, non-Islamist forces who have now seized power by popular acclimation seek to systematically exclude the Brothers even if they continue to try to play by the new rules, they will be courting disaster. They must allow the Brotherhood to run in upcoming elections, and hope that they will learn their lesson and behave in a more reasonable, normative and inclusive manner if elected. If not, they will be rejected again. Democracies, from the outset, have always had to incorporate and accommodate non-democratic and authoritarian-minded forces (which the Brotherhood most certainly is) in spite of their hostility to the pluralistic order in which they participate. It is one of the great hazards of a free, open and democratic system: to be true to itself, it must generously afford oppressive groups more liberty than such groups would allow anyone else.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/04/coup-by-acclamation.html
@SorayaBahgat
As an anti-Morsi protester, I strongly distance myself from persecution of MB members just bec of their affiliation & unjust arrests
^^^ - she can get it btw
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@Swiffness!
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? still afraid to put this in Obama's lap I see. When will you jiggaboos learn? huh? I hope they behead more of the Muslim Brotherhood members. It's all Obama's fault.
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? still afraid to put this in Obama's lap I see. When will you jiggaboos learn? huh? I hope they behead more of the Muslim Brotherhood members. It's all Obama's fault.
Shut your troll ass up, you forfeited your right to call any Black Man a ? when you called NELSON ? MANDELA a coward. Go make a thread about how Nat Turner was a house ? or something. You prolly just another white teenage troll pretending to black online.
That sounds about right, because these ? fanatic crackas can't even sound coherent on Egypt for 2 seconds right now. OH OBAMA IS EVIL BECAUSE HE SUPPORTED A MILITARY COUP AGAINST THE RIGHTFULLY ELECTED PRESIDENT - OH WAIT - NO OBAMA'S EVIL BECAUSE HE SUPPORTED THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND THE PEOPLE ROSE UP AND OVERTHREW HIS PUPPET. like, Why don't ya'll wait for the dust to settle a bit before you arbitrarily pick the side that best suits your position, ? .
BTW the army is being accused of massacring unarmed Muslim Brotherhood protesters now. So it looks like you might be getting your alleged uninformed-ass wish.
There were two narratives about what happened. The army maintained that armed individuals tried to raid the military barracks, where they think deposed President Muhammad Morsi is being held. In this telling, there was an attempted violent jailbreak by Morsi’s militant followers, which the troops fought off, returning fire. The army said that an officer was killed and 40 military men were wounded in the “terrorist attack.”
The other narrative, from the Muslim Brotherhood side, is that the Brothers were peacefully praying near the barracks, when suddenly Egyptian military troops fell on them and massacred them. (Some Brotherhood sources were claiming 40 dead and dozens wounded early Monday morning).
Both narratives are problematic. The army’s description of a “terrorist attack” sounds propagandistic. The Brotherhood account doesn’t indicate a motive for the army abruptly to launch an attack on peaceful demonstrators.
The Muslim religious Right is charging the government with an unprovoked massacre. Even the liberal Muslim politician, Abdel Moneim Aboul Futouh, a former presidential candidate who broke with the Muslim Brotherhood years ago, called on interim president Adly Mansour to step down over the incident.
http://www.juancole.com/2013/07/brotherhood-proposed-thousands.html
Who knows what the ? is really going on over there right now? All the more reason to not be making sweeping assessments of the situation as if you know ? . -
YOu dumb ? , you got Action Bronson in your sig like a stan. ? . and Nelson Mandela is a gotdamn coward. You don't know ? you ? . That ? ass ? was suppose to come outta jail with more fire to make change in South Afica, but his ? ass came out like a soft ? that he is. hoe ass. That's why his wife Winnie left his ass. She saw the coward in him when he came out. ? that ? . and ? YOU ? .
Obama is calling all the shots behind ? but dumb ? like yourself wanna suck his ? til eternity. Ignorant basturd.
the more Muslim Brotherhood dead, the better. ? YOU! -
AND to top it off, Obama's wicked ass hasn't even gone to see Mandela on his death bed. Hoping the ? die before he goes? what a hoe ? Obama is.
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LOL wtf is this ? on, he confused b.
i'll just sit back and laugh at the fact that if Obama's secretly supporting ANY side in Egypt, ITS THE EGYPTIAN ? MILITARY THAT IS DOING THE VERY MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD SLAUGHTERING THAT YOU'RE CHEERING ON!!!! LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! YOU BASIC ? , YOU NOT EVEN A SMART DUMB ? HOW U GON ETHER UR OWN ARGUMENT LMAOOOOO
? what masterful debate skills, boxing yourself in like that. Really, I'm impressed. Been on the internet a long time and this is a first.a US backed coupe the US gives the Egyptian military 2 Billion a year since 1979. Israel publicly oppose Morsi because his ties with the Muslim Brotherhood.
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what we waiting on? Brazil and Egypt mans up, we still asleep, and acting like ? is sweet.
