Africans apologizing, and not apologizing, for slavery.
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A Talented One wrote: »A Talented One wrote: »A Talented One wrote: »People keep making excuses for Africans. They knew what they were doing, and they did it anyway. Even if they didn't know at first, they eventually found out about the conditions of slavery in the new world. It didn't stop them. They didn't care.
When Britain abolished the slave trade, they fought to bring it back, and still participated in the trade as Britain was trying to suppress it.
Yes, initially they sold people who they caught during their wars. But eventually they went on expeditions with the goal of capturing people to sell into slavery.
And like I said before a large number of Africans died en route to the "slave coast;" this number is likely in the millions. Many also died in process of capture. So they knew that the trade was killing a lot of people.
Excusing Africans for their role is treating them as if they don't have rational agency, as if they are like children.
None of this means that Europeans don't deserve blame as well. They deserve more blame.
That said, I didn't even make this thread to argue about this. I was more interested in the fact that Ghana basically apologized as a way to make money.
People mad I said this. lol. But what in it is not factually correct?
The problem with your argument is that you are looking at the past in a 20th century context. Even if the Africans knew of the conditions in America they can't be held at fault. They had no idea of Pan-Africanism or Black Power or any sense of a Diaspora.(Constructs developed during this century) There were no conversations going on within Africa about a need to solidify against white oppression. Hell Africa hadn't even been colonized by Europeans yet, that happened during the late 1800s and after WWI. There was no widespread hate for whitey, they were just doing what they knew.
The idea that they should have felt some type of way about sending other black people into slavery was a non-issue for them. In other words they gave no ? about other black people and had no reason to.
So your argument about people denying them rational agency doesn't fit here. They couldn't make rational decisions based off of social constructs that weren't even around yet.
Back to this idea: How would they know that Africans were dying en route? Would this news have been reported in the small talk between them and the European slave traders? (I doubt it) News reports? Trade Journals? They had no idea of how many people were dying or the extent of their conditions in the Americas. Seriously, what proof do you have that Africans knew about the condition of the people they sent abroad?
Africans should not have sold us to the white man not because of some sense of racial solidarity (which I agree came later), but out of morality and human decency. Slavery is wrong, whether it is black people enslaving black people or white people doing the same. And they should have known that, and let it dictated their actions.
If you are gonna let them off the hook for giving "no ? about other black people" how can you hold white people responsible for what they did?
True, slavery in West Africa may not have been as bad, but over the course of the centuries they probably learned of the conditions in the new world that made it so controversial.
They would have known about the Africans dying in en route because they were the ones who took them there. The white man more or less stayed on the coast.
Whose sense of morality and human decency? Yours or the African continent dwellers of at least 120 years ago? I agree slavery is/was wrong, but did they? You don't live in the same era or locality, you have to remove yourself and experiences from the equation.
Who said I did?
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how about being worried about the effect of slavery (300years) and jim crow(100years) on todays society and its residual effects that still reside and less worried about leaders in africa hundreds of years removed from what kings did?
this thread is so off topic, pointless and coonish
AFaggitedOne I hope a wasp stings you in the eye
I'm telling you. That ? made the thread because he wants to stir ? up.
I've been trying to make threads about black excellence and achievements of people of African descent as of lately and here comes this ? ass ? in the midst of all of this and trying to spread hatred and negativity. When police be out here killing us.
Disappointed that thread ain't locked. Called it on the first page. -
A Talented One wrote: »A Talented One wrote: »A Talented One wrote: »People keep making excuses for Africans. They knew what they were doing, and they did it anyway. Even if they didn't know at first, they eventually found out about the conditions of slavery in the new world. It didn't stop them. They didn't care.
When Britain abolished the slave trade, they fought to bring it back, and still participated in the trade as Britain was trying to suppress it.
Yes, initially they sold people who they caught during their wars. But eventually they went on expeditions with the goal of capturing people to sell into slavery.
And like I said before a large number of Africans died en route to the "slave coast;" this number is likely in the millions. Many also died in process of capture. So they knew that the trade was killing a lot of people.
Excusing Africans for their role is treating them as if they don't have rational agency, as if they are like children.
None of this means that Europeans don't deserve blame as well. They deserve more blame.
That said, I didn't even make this thread to argue about this. I was more interested in the fact that Ghana basically apologized as a way to make money.
People mad I said this. lol. But what in it is not factually correct?
The problem with your argument is that you are looking at the past in a 20th century context. Even if the Africans knew of the conditions in America they can't be held at fault. They had no idea of Pan-Africanism or Black Power or any sense of a Diaspora.(Constructs developed during this century) There were no conversations going on within Africa about a need to solidify against white oppression. Hell Africa hadn't even been colonized by Europeans yet, that happened during the late 1800s and after WWI. There was no widespread hate for whitey, they were just doing what they knew.
The idea that they should have felt some type of way about sending other black people into slavery was a non-issue for them. In other words they gave no ? about other black people and had no reason to.
So your argument about people denying them rational agency doesn't fit here. They couldn't make rational decisions based off of social constructs that weren't even around yet.
Back to this idea: How would they know that Africans were dying en route? Would this news have been reported in the small talk between them and the European slave traders? (I doubt it) News reports? Trade Journals? They had no idea of how many people were dying or the extent of their conditions in the Americas. Seriously, what proof do you have that Africans knew about the condition of the people they sent abroad?
Africans should not have sold us to the white man not because of some sense of racial solidarity (which I agree came later), but out of morality and human decency. Slavery is wrong, whether it is black people enslaving black people or white people doing the same. And they should have known that, and let it dictated their actions.
If you are gonna let them off the hook for giving "no ? about other black people" how can you hold white people responsible for what they did?
True, slavery in West Africa may not have been as bad, but over the course of the centuries they probably learned of the conditions in the new world that made it so controversial.
They would have known about the Africans dying in en route because they were the ones who took them there. The white man more or less stayed on the coast.
Whose sense of morality and human decency? Yours or the African continent dwellers of at least 120 years ago? I agree slavery is/was wrong, but did they? You don't live in the same era or locality, you have to remove yourself and experiences from the equation.
Who said I did?
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A Talented One wrote: »If you are gonna let them off the hook for giving "no ? about other black people" how can you hold white people responsible for what they did?
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^^ what's wrong with that comment?
I'm really starting to believe that you're kind of dumb. -
Back to this idea: How would they know that Africans were dying en route? Would this news have been reported in the small talk between them and the European slave traders? (I doubt it) News reports? Trade Journals? They had no idea of how many people were dying or the extent of their conditions in the Americas. Seriously, what proof do you have that Africans knew about the condition of the people they sent abroad?
Man come on, they were already treating these people with brutality before they handed them over. Waging war, invading their villages, killing their families, handing them over in chains? So what, they did all this to them...but believed the whites they were handing them over to (IN CHAINS) were gonna take them to a nice vacation resort and spa? And they NEVER saw a slave fort for themselves? NEVER saw a ship hundreds of people were being squeezed into? Nah. The only way that adds up is if they're completely deaf, dumb, and blind. Even if that was true, they still deserve some scorn for being so ignorant. They had enough info available via their eyes and ears to know they were doing evil ? . You don't need news reports & Pan-African ideology to tell you that slave trading is really really really wrong. These ? helped Europe ? Africa and I refuse to give them a complete pass for that ? .how about europe apologize to africa for:
hacking the continent up
getting rich off africas resources while africa remains poor
spreading disease
aparthied
stealing the bodies of Pharaohs and queens
murdering animals
wiping out tribes
destroying tombs and monuments
wiping away their culture and history
Don't forget creating new, completely artificial divisions in African society. That's what happened in Rwanda, the single greatest horror of our lifetimes. They divided the populace based on how big a ? nose was smfh and pitted them against each other. Rest was history. ? , horrific history.
Also: Belgium
I hope a African nation nukes the ? outta Belgium someday lol. Ground bursts. -
Ghana is actually on the rise, it never been this easy for Americans to get citizinship there. If you got like 25k $ that you could invest, you could make some proper coin round those parts.
atleast thats what my Ghanese bros from Den Haag used to say back in 2011, dont know how things are now.
but if youre American, I would certainly read up on the Ghanese economy and how dual citinship can benefit you. -
Swiffness! wrote: »Back to this idea: How would they know that Africans were dying en route? Would this news have been reported in the small talk between them and the European slave traders? (I doubt it) News reports? Trade Journals? They had no idea of how many people were dying or the extent of their conditions in the Americas. Seriously, what proof do you have that Africans knew about the condition of the people they sent abroad?
Man come on, they were already treating these people with brutality before they handed them over. Waging war, invading their villages, killing their families, handing them over in chains? So what, they did all this to them...but believed the whites they were handing them over to (IN CHAINS) were gonna take them to a nice vacation resort and spa? And they NEVER saw a slave fort for themselves? NEVER saw a ship hundreds of people were being squeezed into? Nah. The only way that adds up is if they're completely deaf, dumb, and blind. Even if that was true, they still deserve some scorn for being so ignorant. They had enough info available via their eyes and ears to know they were doing evil ? . You don't need news reports & Pan-African ideology to tell you that slave trading is really really really wrong. These ? helped Europe ? Africa and I refuse to give them a complete pass for that ? .how about europe apologize to africa for:
hacking the continent up
getting rich off africas resources while africa remains poor
spreading disease
aparthied
stealing the bodies of Pharaohs and queens
murdering animals
wiping out tribes
destroying tombs and monuments
wiping away their culture and history
Don't forget creating new, completely artificial divisions in African society. That's what happened in Rwanda, the single greatest horror of our lifetimes. They divided the populace based on how big a ? nose was smfh and pitted them against each other. Rest was history. ? , horrific history.
Also: Belgium
I hope a African nation nukes the ? outta Belgium someday lol. Ground bursts.
Why would they give a ? about the way Europeans treated prisoners of war? War occurred all throughout history, slaves have been traded all throughout history, Europeans just took it to another level. You weren't there when this was occurring, they didn't know what slavery would become. -
The last thing one should do, is romanticise history. For everyone interested in knowing about pre colonial Africa, I recommend reading up on Mansa Mousa and Farga(excuse the spelling), dont read the historians view/summary, read their own work, find a decent/direct translation.
and judge for yourself.
Ibn Battuta also traveled to Mali, mind check out his travel journal aswell. -
SMH I just realized who made this thread.
I hail you @Copper for those posts .. . you'se a real brotha -
A Talented One wrote: »A Talented One wrote: »A Talented One wrote: »That said, I didn't even make this thread to argue about this. I was more interested in the fact that Ghana basically apologized as a way to make money.
Aint you the black Republican that supports intergration while white supremacy exploits blacks in America, the country that never apologized or cared too?
Or was that S2J? ... i can't tell you two apart, honestly.
But regardless, I see you really don't like black people.
You got to be kidding. What did I ever say to suggest that? That Justin Beiber ain't a racist? That blacks can be racist too?
So that's not you? Must be the other guy. And a black person CANNOT be a racist while he/she is the race being oppressed.
BUT HOLD UP A MINUTE...
Justin Beiber's apology was cool, but you wanna undermine an apology from Africa as not genuine?
The point is that none of that ? makes me what you said.
I'm going by what the article said, which is that Ghana's apology was "largely a business decision."
A business decision that gave African Americans land, citizenship, investing, and the ability to start they own business.
And ceremonial apologies, my ? . They gonna have the drums and dancing tribal girls when I get off the plane.
That business decision is what we call a business deal in the real world.
Meanwhile, Justin Beiber didn't sing a song bout doing any of that ? . But we all know the one song he did make about black folks.A Talented One wrote: »If you are gonna let them off the hook for giving "no ? about other black people" how can you hold white people responsible for what they did?
Be honest, this right here is the whole reason you wanted to make this thread.
So you're saying that I believe that we shouldn't hold white people responsible for what they did?
If so, how did you get to that conclusion?
That's a serious question.
I'm saying that if "not giving any ? about black people" can take Africans off the hook, then it also takes white people off the hook. But that doesn't mean that I think that "not giving any ? about black people" can take Africans off the hook. I could just as easily believe that "not giving any ? about black people" does not take Africans off the hook, and so doesn't take whites off the hook either. That is in fact what I believe, and I've said nothing at all to suggest otherwise.
In fact, I clearly think that Africans have wronged us, based on my posts in this thread. That means that I could not believe that "not giving any ? about other black people" can take Africans off the hook.
Do you even think about what you're writing before posting?
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I'm just observing a pattern you've displayed on the site.
You strike me as another kind of ? -
@talented one probably white too though
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@talented one probably white too though
Why do you say that?
What indication have I given that I might be white?
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Some of ya need to watch Hidden Colors 3
