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  • jono
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    This ? needs it's own forum.
  • Arya Tsaddiq
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    Everything is coming into full circle it seems. I was going to make this its own thread, but I think it ties in with the topic of this one. Why is there so much emphasis on police vs. Black people in this country? Now with the coverage on the murder of two officers, things will only get worse.

    Rex 84

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
    Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a classified "scenario and drill" developed by the United States federal government to suspend the United States Constitution, declare martial law, place military commanders in charge of state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens who are deemed to be "national security threats", in the event that the President declares a "State of National Emergency".

    with REX 84 in mind, here is the King Alfred Plan....

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Alfred_Plan
    The King Alfred Plan was a fictional CIA-led scheme supporting an international effort to eliminate people of African descent. Specifically it defined how to deal with the threat of a black uprising in the United States by cordoning off black people into concentration camps in the event of a major racial incident.

    Now...why I find this interesting....

    GOCC ENDTIME PROPHECIES - THE WAR AGAINST CITIZENS , KING
    ALFRED S PLAN.


    http://youtu.be/Y4pcTQDhBrY

    I only present this as an explanation for why these things are happening. I've done a lot of reading and with everything I've come across, this makes sense To ME. If you don't agree, so be it. But I put it out there in an attempt to get people to think and research yourself.
  • Bully_Pulpit
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    @kingsimba I think those plans were what gave birth to Agenda 21
  • Arya Tsaddiq
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    @kingsimba I think those plans were what gave birth to Agenda 21

    It's all relative. Regardless of that code name they are given, the agenda is all the same.
  • Bussy_Getta
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    Ummmmm no diss but that's like white people saying "show this to your ? loving friends" and using world star hip hop videos.

    I'd rather court cases etc....
  • 2stepz_ahead
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    so now white people will blame us for the police state being formed?
  • Billy_Poncho
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    That's a big ass fist
  • Bully_Pulpit
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    Pico wrote: »
    Ummmmm no diss but that's like white people saying "show this to your ? loving friends" and using world star hip hop videos.

    I'd rather court cases etc....

    Dont really know what your getting at but these cops are beating everybodys ass, its more than a racial thing, it's a gang mentality and corruption thing. Not saying all cops are bad but this isnt the case of a few bad apples. You can watch just thirty minutes of the vid to see that.
  • Bussy_Getta
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    Pico wrote: »
    Ummmmm no diss but that's like white people saying "show this to your ? loving friends" and using world star hip hop videos.

    I'd rather court cases etc....

    Dont really know what your getting at but these cops are beating everybodys ass, its more than a racial thing, it's a gang mentality and corruption thing. Not saying all cops are bad but this isnt the case of a few bad apples. You can watch just thirty minutes of the vid to see that.

    Understandable my friend. I'm just pointing out what I thought.
  • Ajackson17
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    Long listen by James Smalls but it talks about how the police came into being and what it truly is.


    Professor James Smalls Speaks On The History of C…: http://youtu.be/uZUKeQXujLE
  • powerman 5000
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    It won't help. The level of self righteousness that these people are at is astounding. They are blameless in what they do. So much so that they'll twist the law itself to make their point of view make sense. For instance, they're walking around talking about don't break the law but when one of them do something "innocent until proven guilty" kicks back in. Due process is that old ? . Apparently, we on some new ? now. We transitioned from "I HAD to ? the suspect" back to "I GET to ? the ? ." You can't reason with someone that has no problem strangling you to death over a cigarette or someone that thinks said action is honorable police work. Someone like that only understands 1 thing and it's not diplomacy.
  • jono
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    Pico wrote: »
    Ummmmm no diss but that's like white people saying "show this to your ? loving friends" and using world star hip hop videos.

    I'd rather court cases etc....

    Dont really know what your getting at but these cops are beating everybodys ass, its more than a racial thing, it's a gang mentality and corruption thing. Not saying all cops are bad but this isnt the case of a few bad apples. You can watch just thirty minutes of the vid to see that.

    Her comment is appropriate. You compile a video of material in which to base an opinion already formed,..essentially it's propaganda.

    When you factor in the sheer number of police officers and the amout of police contact everywhere and the fact that millions of people get arrested or have contact with the police yearly the stuff in this video isn't necessarily "normal" it's media sensationalism.

    The dude starts the video comparing being killed by police to being killed by terrorists, it's such a ridiculous comparison because most people will never come into contact with a terrorist on any level let alone be killed by one.

    It's the same illogical scare tactics used by the police to justify their own feelings of paranoia. The police use the media sensationalizing crime to act as if all criminals are heavily armed drug smugglers and now the roles are reversed and folks are acting as if police just ride around cracking heads and shooting ? all day.

    Both of those statements are wrong. Compiling a "worst of" video is easy as ? with all the material you have out there and with all the police we have in this country, but in reality these situations of extreme brutality and shootings aren't that prevalent.

    That said, what's going on in the various administrations and unions needs to be addressed as they are the fanning flames of police paranoia and this will eventually lead to more aggressive behavior.
  • Bully_Pulpit
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    Im just saying its time we stop waiting for ? to get real bad before we start thinking about a plan of action and no I dont advocate cop killing nor do I advocate protesting, those will ultimately lead to dead ends. We need to start shutting down congressional institutions and banking institutions they are the real enemy and threat to humanity. The reason you should show this to anyone defending police is that its irrefutable evidence that ? has gone way off the rails and this society is in deep ? .
  • Ajackson17
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    The police are a family by bloodline along with local government, and mafia. Of course they will protect themselves.
  • Bully_Pulpit
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    jono wrote: »
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    Pico wrote: »
    Ummmmm no diss but that's like white people saying "show this to your ? loving friends" and using world star hip hop videos.

    I'd rather court cases etc....

    Dont really know what your getting at but these cops are beating everybodys ass, its more than a racial thing, it's a gang mentality and corruption thing. Not saying all cops are bad but this isnt the case of a few bad apples. You can watch just thirty minutes of the vid to see that.

    Her comment is appropriate. You compile a video of material in which to base an opinion already formed,..essentially it's propaganda.

    When you factor in the sheer number of police officers and the amout of police contact everywhere and the fact that millions of people get arrested or have contact with the police yearly the stuff in this video isn't necessarily "normal" it's media sensationalism.

    The dude starts the video comparing being killed by police to being killed by terrorists, it's such a ridiculous comparison because most people will never come into contact with a terrorist on any level let alone be killed by one.

    It's the same illogical scare tactics used by the police to justify their own feelings of paranoia. The police use the media sensationalizing crime to act as if all criminals are heavily armed drug smugglers and now the roles are reversed and folks are acting as if police just ride around cracking heads and shooting ? all day.

    Both of those statements are wrong. Compiling a "worst of" video is easy as ? with all the material you have out there and with all the police we have in this country, but in reality these situations of extreme brutality and shootings aren't that prevalent.

    That said, what's going on in the various administrations and unions needs to be addressed as they are the fanning flames of police paranoia and this will eventually lead to more aggressive behavior.

    Dude I agree with everything you're saying, Am I preaching to the choir absolutely, but watch how i flip it. Theres always a method to my madness, I look at ? in 4D.
  • jono
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    I undersand that, what needs to be understood though is there are any uninformed, very emotional characters in this country, on both sides of this issue, looking for reasons to cause more bloodshed.

    We can change the laws, we just have to dedicate ourselves to changing them. The problem is that emotions don't last, they burn out and then people go back to everyday life and all this #blacklivesmatter ? goes by te wayside right along with it.

    It's time for the rise of dedicated intellectual assault on this, people who understand it may take 10 years to change it, that you may have to go to law school personally to do it or that you may need to run for office yourself. The ones that are capable of building a plan of action, are able to negotiate and be rational about things.

    The real work usually has fewer people willing to do it, that's why it's worth doing.
  • Ajackson17
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    Sad thing we all should be putting our energy into this. I don't know how we can look at our kids and forget about it and wonder why they were killed.
  • Bully_Pulpit
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    This ? will have to be rectified over generations, but it's time we started to get the ball rolling. We have more knowledge and intelligence at our fingertips than we ever had. I believe the 80's babies are the last hope for this world.
  • VulcanRaven
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    KingSimba wrote: »
    Everything is coming into full circle it seems. I was going to make this its own thread, but I think it ties in with the topic of this one. Why is there so much emphasis on police vs. Black people in this country? Now with the coverage on the murder of two officers, things will only get worse.

    Rex 84

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
    Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a classified "scenario and drill" developed by the United States federal government to suspend the United States Constitution, declare martial law, place military commanders in charge of state and local governments, and detain large numbers of American citizens who are deemed to be "national security threats", in the event that the President declares a "State of National Emergency".

    with REX 84 in mind, here is the King Alfred Plan....

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Alfred_Plan
    The King Alfred Plan was a fictional CIA-led scheme supporting an international effort to eliminate people of African descent. Specifically it defined how to deal with the threat of a black uprising in the United States by cordoning off black people into concentration camps in the event of a major racial incident.

    Now...why I find this interesting....

    GOCC ENDTIME PROPHECIES - THE WAR AGAINST CITIZENS , KING
    ALFRED S PLAN.


    http://youtu.be/Y4pcTQDhBrY

    I only present this as an explanation for why these things are happening. I've done a lot of reading and with everything I've come across, this makes sense To ME. If you don't agree, so be it. But I put it out there in an attempt to get people to think and research yourself.
    Let's not forget about "ebola" suddenly resurfacing and getting to the US for the first time,but the cure only works on white people.
  • desertrain10
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    Seven Reasons Police Brutality Is Systemic, Not Anecdotal
    By BONNIE KRISTIAN • July 2, 2014, 6:00 AM

    Darrin Manning’s unprovoked “stop and frisk” encounter with the Philadelphia police left him hospitalized with a ruptured ? . Neykeyia Parker was violently dragged out of her car and aggressively arrested in front of her young child for “trespassing” at her own apartment complex in Houston. A Georgia toddler was burned when police threw a flash grenade into his playpen during a raid, and the manager of a Chicago tanning salon was confronted by a raiding police officer bellowing that he would ? her and her family, captured on the salon’s surveillance. An elderly man in Ohio was left in need of ? reconstructive surgery after police entered his home without a warrant to sort out a dispute about a trailer.

    These stories are a small selection of recent police brutality reports, as police misconduct has become a fixture of the news cycle.

    But the plural of anecdote is not data, and the media is inevitably drawn toward tales of conflict. Despite the increasing frequency with which we hear of misbehaving cops, many Americans maintain a default respect for the man in uniform. As an NYPD assistant chief put it, “We don’t want a few bad apples or a few rogue cops damaging” the police’s good name.

    This is an attractive proposal, certainly, but unfortunately it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. Here are seven reasons why police misconduct is a systemic problem, not “a few bad apples”:

    1. Many departments don’t provide adequate training in nonviolent solutions.

    This is particularly obvious when it comes to dealing with family pets. “Police ? family dog” is practically its own subgenre of police brutality reports, and most of these cases—like the story of the Minnesota children who were made to sit, handcuffed, next to their dead and bleeding pet—are all too preventable. Some police departments have begun to train their officers to deal more appropriately with pets, but Thomas Aveni of the Police Policy Studies Council, a police consulting firm, says it’s still extremely rare. In the absence of this training, police are less likely to view violence as a last resort.

    2. Standards for what constitutes brutality vary widely.

    “Excess is in the eyes of the beholder,” explains William Terrill, a former police officer and professor of criminal justice at Michigan State. “To one officer ‘objectively reasonable’ means that if you don’t give me your license, I get to use soft hands, and in another town the same resistance means I can pull you through the car window, [or] I can tase you.” The special deference police are widely given in American culture feeds this inconsistency of standards, producing something of a legal Wild West. While national legislation would likely only complicate matters further, local or state-wide ballot propositions should allow the public—not the police—to define reasonable use of force.

    3. Consequences for misconduct are minimal.

    In central New Jersey, for instance, 99 percent of police brutality complaints are never investigated. Nor can that be explained away as stereotypical New Jersey corruption. Only one out of every three accused cops are convicted nationwide, while the conviction rate for civilians is literally double that. In Chicago, the numbers are even more skewed: There were 10,000 abuse complaints filed against the Chicago PD between 2002 and 2004, and just 19 of them ”resulted in meaningful disciplinary action.” On a national level, upwards of 95 percent of police misconduct cases referred for federal prosecution are declined by prosecutors because, as reported in USA Today, juries “are conditioned to believe cops, and victims’ credibility is often challenged.” Failure to remedy this police/civilian double standard cultivates an abuse-friendly legal environment.

    4. Settlements are shifted to taxpayers.

    Those officers who are found guilty of brutality typically find the settlement to their victims paid from city coffers. Research from Human Rights Watch reveals that in some places, taxpayers “are paying three times for officers who repeatedly commit abuses: once to cover their salaries while they commit abuses; next to pay settlements or civil jury awards against officers; and a third time through payments into police ‘defense’ funds provided by the cities.” In larger cities, these settlements easily cost the public tens of millions of dollars annually while removing a substantial incentive against police misconduct.

    5. Minorities are unfairly targeted.

    “Simply put,” says University of Florida law professor Katheryn K. Russell, “the public face of a police brutality victim is a young man who is Black or Latino.” In this case, research suggests perception matches reality. To give a particularly striking example, one Florida city’s “stop and frisk” policy has been explicitly aimed at all black men. Since 2008, this has led to 99,980 stops which did not produce an arrest in a city with a population of just 110,000. One man alone was stopped 258 times at his job in four years, and arrested for trespassing while working on 62 occasions. Failure to address this issue communicates to police that minorities are a safe target for abuse.

    6. Police are increasingly militarized.

    During President Obama’s gun control push, he argued that “weapons of war have no place on our streets;” but as Radley Balko has amply documented in his 2013 book, Rise of the Warrior Cop, local police are often equipped with weapons powerful enough to conquer a small country. Police use of highly armed SWAT teams has risen by 1,500 percent in the last two decades, and many police departments have cultivated an “us vs. them” mentality toward the public they ostensibly serve. Although possession of these weapons does not cause misconduct, as the old saying goes, when you have a hammer everything begins to look like a nail.

    7. Police themselves say misconduct is remarkably widespread.

    Here’s the real clincher. A Department of Justice study revealed that a whopping 84 percent of police officers report that they’ve seen colleagues use excessive force on civilians, and 61 percent admit they don’t always report “even serious criminal violations that involve abuse of authority by fellow officers.”

    This self-reporting moves us well beyond anecdote into the realm of data: Police brutality is a pervasive problem, exacerbated by systemic failures to curb it. That’s not to say that every officer is ill-intentioned or abusive, but it is to suggest that the common assumption that police are generally using their authority in a trustworthy manner merits serious reconsideration. As John Adams wrote to Jefferson, “Power always thinks it has a great soul,” and it cannot be trusted if left unchecked.

    The good news is that the first step toward preventing police brutality is well-documented and fairly simple: Keep police constantly on camera. A 2012 study in Rialto, Calif. found that when officers were required to wear cameras recording all their interactions with citizens, “public complaints against officers plunged 88% compared with the previous 12 months. Officers’ use of force fell by 60%.” The simple knowledge that they were being watched dramatically altered police behavior.

    Coupled with additional reforms, like making officers pay their own settlements and providing better training for dealing with pets, camera use could produce a significant decrease in police misconduct. It is not unrealistic to think that police brutality reports could be made far more unusual—but only once we acknowledge that it’s not just a few bad apples.


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    Thought it was an
  • desertrain10
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    ^ typo above

    Thought it was an interesting read

    Really a good window into the issues at hand and what needs to be addressed/changed