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  • veikuri
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    veikuri wrote: »
    lol No one said Spiderman could destroy any and all X-men. The point is that lots of characters could give various teams of X-men problems. If Spiderman can do it then it shouldn't be surprising Apocalypse could.

    You posted an issue where Spider-Man lost to thr X-Men and got tossed aside like trash by a single X-Man. What exactly is your point?

    So you just going to ignore the fact that he schooled five X-Men at the same time? Ok.

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    ? had Nightcrawler markin out like a fanboy and you in here trying to act like it didn't happen.

    Nightcrawler... Rogue without her Ms. Marvel powers, Wolverine, Colossus, and Storm. Let's also act like they weren't all chatting prior to Spider-Man attacking them.

    Let's not act like Storm wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's not act like Ms. Marvel Rogue wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's also act like Xavier didn't make Spidey forget, but okay.
  • The Lonious Monk
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    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    lol No one said Spiderman could destroy any and all X-men. The point is that lots of characters could give various teams of X-men problems. If Spiderman can do it then it shouldn't be surprising Apocalypse could.

    You posted an issue where Spider-Man lost to thr X-Men and got tossed aside like trash by a single X-Man. What exactly is your point?

    So you just going to ignore the fact that he schooled five X-Men at the same time? Ok.

    tumblr_inline_n1r97dxynk1s16be1.jpg

    ? had Nightcrawler markin out like a fanboy and you in here trying to act like it didn't happen.

    Nightcrawler... Rogue without her Ms. Marvel powers, Wolverine, Colossus, and Storm. Let's also act like they weren't all chatting prior to Spider-Man attacking them.

    Let's not act like Storm wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's not act like Ms. Marvel Rogue wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's also act like Xavier didn't make Spidey forget, but okay.

    lol Rogue has been without her Ms. Marvel powers for the last few years and has been beasting, so that's not exactly a good point. And it was still five on one yet he was able to get the better of all of them before Prof. X got to him. Nothing you're saying would change that. Could Storm solo him? Sure. Did she do it this time? No, she along with the other four X-men there took an L.
  • veikuri
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    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    lol No one said Spiderman could destroy any and all X-men. The point is that lots of characters could give various teams of X-men problems. If Spiderman can do it then it shouldn't be surprising Apocalypse could.

    You posted an issue where Spider-Man lost to thr X-Men and got tossed aside like trash by a single X-Man. What exactly is your point?

    So you just going to ignore the fact that he schooled five X-Men at the same time? Ok.

    tumblr_inline_n1r97dxynk1s16be1.jpg

    ? had Nightcrawler markin out like a fanboy and you in here trying to act like it didn't happen.

    Nightcrawler... Rogue without her Ms. Marvel powers, Wolverine, Colossus, and Storm. Let's also act like they weren't all chatting prior to Spider-Man attacking them.

    Let's not act like Storm wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's not act like Ms. Marvel Rogue wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's also act like Xavier didn't make Spidey forget, but okay.

    lol Rogue has been without her Ms. Marvel powers for the last few years and has been beasting, so that's not exactly a good point. And it was still five on one yet he was able to get the better of all of them before Prof. X got to him. Nothing you're saying would change that. Could Storm solo him? Sure. Did she do it this time? No, she along with the other four X-men there took an L.

    concession accepted
  • jaxn
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    Spidey is pretty formidable
  • The Lonious Monk
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    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    lol No one said Spiderman could destroy any and all X-men. The point is that lots of characters could give various teams of X-men problems. If Spiderman can do it then it shouldn't be surprising Apocalypse could.

    You posted an issue where Spider-Man lost to thr X-Men and got tossed aside like trash by a single X-Man. What exactly is your point?

    So you just going to ignore the fact that he schooled five X-Men at the same time? Ok.

    tumblr_inline_n1r97dxynk1s16be1.jpg

    ? had Nightcrawler markin out like a fanboy and you in here trying to act like it didn't happen.

    Nightcrawler... Rogue without her Ms. Marvel powers, Wolverine, Colossus, and Storm. Let's also act like they weren't all chatting prior to Spider-Man attacking them.

    Let's not act like Storm wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's not act like Ms. Marvel Rogue wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's also act like Xavier didn't make Spidey forget, but okay.

    lol Rogue has been without her Ms. Marvel powers for the last few years and has been beasting, so that's not exactly a good point. And it was still five on one yet he was able to get the better of all of them before Prof. X got to him. Nothing you're saying would change that. Could Storm solo him? Sure. Did she do it this time? No, she along with the other four X-men there took an L.

    concession accepted

    I'm guessing you either don't know or don't understand what this discussion is about because stating that Storm could beat Spiderman doesn't invalidate anything I've said.
  • veikuri
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    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    lol No one said Spiderman could destroy any and all X-men. The point is that lots of characters could give various teams of X-men problems. If Spiderman can do it then it shouldn't be surprising Apocalypse could.

    You posted an issue where Spider-Man lost to thr X-Men and got tossed aside like trash by a single X-Man. What exactly is your point?

    So you just going to ignore the fact that he schooled five X-Men at the same time? Ok.

    tumblr_inline_n1r97dxynk1s16be1.jpg

    ? had Nightcrawler markin out like a fanboy and you in here trying to act like it didn't happen.

    Nightcrawler... Rogue without her Ms. Marvel powers, Wolverine, Colossus, and Storm. Let's also act like they weren't all chatting prior to Spider-Man attacking them.

    Let's not act like Storm wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's not act like Ms. Marvel Rogue wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's also act like Xavier didn't make Spidey forget, but okay.

    lol Rogue has been without her Ms. Marvel powers for the last few years and has been beasting, so that's not exactly a good point. And it was still five on one yet he was able to get the better of all of them before Prof. X got to him. Nothing you're saying would change that. Could Storm solo him? Sure. Did she do it this time? No, she along with the other four X-men there took an L.

    concession accepted

    I'm guessing you either don't know or don't understand what this discussion is about because stating that Storm could beat Spiderman doesn't invalidate anything I've said.

    You're saying that spidey beat the low tier x-men while the capable ones didn't want to really harm him or he got a cheap shot. Gotcha
  • dalyricalbandit
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    never understood how nightcrawler who could teleport always ended up getting his ass kicked
  • veikuri
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    never understood how nightcrawler who could teleport always ended up getting his ass kicked

    Because that all he can do... is teleport.
  • dalyricalbandit
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    exactly u know the damage u can do with that power
  • BangEm_Bart
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    exactly u know the damage u can do with that power

    And he was a monk skilled in martial arts lol.
  • The Lonious Monk
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    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    lol No one said Spiderman could destroy any and all X-men. The point is that lots of characters could give various teams of X-men problems. If Spiderman can do it then it shouldn't be surprising Apocalypse could.

    You posted an issue where Spider-Man lost to thr X-Men and got tossed aside like trash by a single X-Man. What exactly is your point?

    So you just going to ignore the fact that he schooled five X-Men at the same time? Ok.

    tumblr_inline_n1r97dxynk1s16be1.jpg

    ? had Nightcrawler markin out like a fanboy and you in here trying to act like it didn't happen.

    Nightcrawler... Rogue without her Ms. Marvel powers, Wolverine, Colossus, and Storm. Let's also act like they weren't all chatting prior to Spider-Man attacking them.

    Let's not act like Storm wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's not act like Ms. Marvel Rogue wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's also act like Xavier didn't make Spidey forget, but okay.

    lol Rogue has been without her Ms. Marvel powers for the last few years and has been beasting, so that's not exactly a good point. And it was still five on one yet he was able to get the better of all of them before Prof. X got to him. Nothing you're saying would change that. Could Storm solo him? Sure. Did she do it this time? No, she along with the other four X-men there took an L.

    concession accepted

    I'm guessing you either don't know or don't understand what this discussion is about because stating that Storm could beat Spiderman doesn't invalidate anything I've said.

    You're saying that spidey beat the low tier x-men while the capable ones didn't want to really harm him or he got a cheap shot. Gotcha

    Nope, I'm saying that teams of X-men getting beaten by one character isn't some unheard of feat. Spiderman's done it, and if he can, someone like Apocalypse certainly can. You can't dispute that and the rest of the nonsense you're saying is meaningless.
  • veikuri
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    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    lol No one said Spiderman could destroy any and all X-men. The point is that lots of characters could give various teams of X-men problems. If Spiderman can do it then it shouldn't be surprising Apocalypse could.

    You posted an issue where Spider-Man lost to thr X-Men and got tossed aside like trash by a single X-Man. What exactly is your point?

    So you just going to ignore the fact that he schooled five X-Men at the same time? Ok.

    tumblr_inline_n1r97dxynk1s16be1.jpg

    ? had Nightcrawler markin out like a fanboy and you in here trying to act like it didn't happen.

    Nightcrawler... Rogue without her Ms. Marvel powers, Wolverine, Colossus, and Storm. Let's also act like they weren't all chatting prior to Spider-Man attacking them.

    Let's not act like Storm wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's not act like Ms. Marvel Rogue wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's also act like Xavier didn't make Spidey forget, but okay.

    lol Rogue has been without her Ms. Marvel powers for the last few years and has been beasting, so that's not exactly a good point. And it was still five on one yet he was able to get the better of all of them before Prof. X got to him. Nothing you're saying would change that. Could Storm solo him? Sure. Did she do it this time? No, she along with the other four X-men there took an L.

    concession accepted

    I'm guessing you either don't know or don't understand what this discussion is about because stating that Storm could beat Spiderman doesn't invalidate anything I've said.

    You're saying that spidey beat the low tier x-men while the capable ones didn't want to really harm him or he got a cheap shot. Gotcha

    Nope, I'm saying that teams of X-men getting beaten by one character isn't some unheard of feat. Spiderman's done it, and if he can, someone like Apocalypse certainly can. You can't dispute that and the rest of the nonsense you're saying is meaningless.

    Anyone can be beaten by plot. Even Thing knocked out Galactus
  • The Lonious Monk
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    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    lol No one said Spiderman could destroy any and all X-men. The point is that lots of characters could give various teams of X-men problems. If Spiderman can do it then it shouldn't be surprising Apocalypse could.

    You posted an issue where Spider-Man lost to thr X-Men and got tossed aside like trash by a single X-Man. What exactly is your point?

    So you just going to ignore the fact that he schooled five X-Men at the same time? Ok.

    tumblr_inline_n1r97dxynk1s16be1.jpg

    ? had Nightcrawler markin out like a fanboy and you in here trying to act like it didn't happen.

    Nightcrawler... Rogue without her Ms. Marvel powers, Wolverine, Colossus, and Storm. Let's also act like they weren't all chatting prior to Spider-Man attacking them.

    Let's not act like Storm wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's not act like Ms. Marvel Rogue wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's also act like Xavier didn't make Spidey forget, but okay.

    lol Rogue has been without her Ms. Marvel powers for the last few years and has been beasting, so that's not exactly a good point. And it was still five on one yet he was able to get the better of all of them before Prof. X got to him. Nothing you're saying would change that. Could Storm solo him? Sure. Did she do it this time? No, she along with the other four X-men there took an L.

    concession accepted

    I'm guessing you either don't know or don't understand what this discussion is about because stating that Storm could beat Spiderman doesn't invalidate anything I've said.

    You're saying that spidey beat the low tier x-men while the capable ones didn't want to really harm him or he got a cheap shot. Gotcha

    Nope, I'm saying that teams of X-men getting beaten by one character isn't some unheard of feat. Spiderman's done it, and if he can, someone like Apocalypse certainly can. You can't dispute that and the rest of the nonsense you're saying is meaningless.

    Anyone can be beaten by plot. Even Thing knocked out Galactus

    Come on dog, Spiderman getting the better of some X-men in a short skirmish and the Fantastic 4 beating Galactus by shooting the Thing out of a giant sling shot shouldn't even be mentioned together. One is reasonable, the other is just stupid.
  • veikuri
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    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »
    lol No one said Spiderman could destroy any and all X-men. The point is that lots of characters could give various teams of X-men problems. If Spiderman can do it then it shouldn't be surprising Apocalypse could.

    You posted an issue where Spider-Man lost to thr X-Men and got tossed aside like trash by a single X-Man. What exactly is your point?

    So you just going to ignore the fact that he schooled five X-Men at the same time? Ok.

    tumblr_inline_n1r97dxynk1s16be1.jpg

    ? had Nightcrawler markin out like a fanboy and you in here trying to act like it didn't happen.

    Nightcrawler... Rogue without her Ms. Marvel powers, Wolverine, Colossus, and Storm. Let's also act like they weren't all chatting prior to Spider-Man attacking them.

    Let's not act like Storm wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's not act like Ms. Marvel Rogue wouldn't solo Spider-Man. Let's also act like Xavier didn't make Spidey forget, but okay.

    lol Rogue has been without her Ms. Marvel powers for the last few years and has been beasting, so that's not exactly a good point. And it was still five on one yet he was able to get the better of all of them before Prof. X got to him. Nothing you're saying would change that. Could Storm solo him? Sure. Did she do it this time? No, she along with the other four X-men there took an L.

    concession accepted

    I'm guessing you either don't know or don't understand what this discussion is about because stating that Storm could beat Spiderman doesn't invalidate anything I've said.

    You're saying that spidey beat the low tier x-men while the capable ones didn't want to really harm him or he got a cheap shot. Gotcha

    Nope, I'm saying that teams of X-men getting beaten by one character isn't some unheard of feat. Spiderman's done it, and if he can, someone like Apocalypse certainly can. You can't dispute that and the rest of the nonsense you're saying is meaningless.

    Anyone can be beaten by plot. Even Thing knocked out Galactus

    Come on dog, Spiderman getting the better of some X-men in a short skirmish and the Fantastic 4 beating Galactus by shooting the Thing out of a giant sling shot shouldn't even be mentioned together. One is reasonable, the other is just stupid.

    it's reasonable because you said so? Lmao. In a battle dome scenario Spidey wouldn't last a minute against that squad. The difference is: plot. He needed to preemptively attack Xavier & Cyclops. Storm needs to be weakened and not willing to do the building harm. I don't understand what you don't get.
  • The Lonious Monk
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    veikuri wrote: »

    it's reasonable because you said so? Lmao. In a battle dome scenario Spidey wouldn't last a minute against that squad. The difference is: plot. He needed to preemptively attack Xavier & Cyclops. Storm needs to be weakened and not willing to do the building harm. I don't understand what you don't get.

    What is your point? You just arguing to argue cause you keep making a bunch of statements that don't mean anything. Storm is much more powerful than Spiderman, but Spiderman is much faster and more durable. Will he lose more often than not against Storm. Of course. Is it crazy to believe that he could blitz a team with Storm in it and get the better of them before they really knew what was going on. Of course not. Is it bad writing or extreme plot dependend that would make that happen? Nope.
  • veikuri
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    veikuri wrote: »

    it's reasonable because you said so? Lmao. In a battle dome scenario Spidey wouldn't last a minute against that squad. The difference is: plot. He needed to preemptively attack Xavier & Cyclops. Storm needs to be weakened and not willing to do the building harm. I don't understand what you don't get.

    What is your point? You just arguing to argue cause you keep making a bunch of statements that don't mean anything. Storm is much more powerful than Spiderman, but Spiderman is much faster and more durable. Will he lose more often than not against Storm. Of course. Is it crazy to believe that he could blitz a team with Storm in it and get the better of them before they really knew what was going on. Of course not. Is it bad writing or extreme plot dependend that would make that happen? Nope.

    My point is that you're over hyping Spider-Man. He isn't seeing a team of X-Men unless its a squad catered for him to beat. Even taking out Storm out of the equation he still isn't beating that team.
  • The Lonious Monk
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    veikuri wrote: »
    veikuri wrote: »

    it's reasonable because you said so? Lmao. In a battle dome scenario Spidey wouldn't last a minute against that squad. The difference is: plot. He needed to preemptively attack Xavier & Cyclops. Storm needs to be weakened and not willing to do the building harm. I don't understand what you don't get.

    What is your point? You just arguing to argue cause you keep making a bunch of statements that don't mean anything. Storm is much more powerful than Spiderman, but Spiderman is much faster and more durable. Will he lose more often than not against Storm. Of course. Is it crazy to believe that he could blitz a team with Storm in it and get the better of them before they really knew what was going on. Of course not. Is it bad writing or extreme plot dependend that would make that happen? Nope.

    My point is that you're over hyping Spider-Man. He isn't seeing a team of X-Men unless its a squad catered for him to beat. Even taking out Storm out of the equation he still isn't beating that team.

    lol I'm not overhyping Spiderman. You're just taking what I'm saying an blowing it out of proportion. I never claimed that Spiderman would be a consistent X-men team buster. Once again, as I've said before, that's not the point. The point was that no one should have a problem with a character like Apocalypse giving the X-men trouble solo. I just used Spiderman because that's an example that even a character much weaker than Apocalypse can give teams trouble under the right circumstances.
  • Peace_79
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    This is an interesting topic to me.

    I appears that the concensus is that Thanos would make light work of Apocalypse.

    Can someone explain why this is?

    I am far more versed in the X-men the other comicbook backstories.
  • veikuri
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    Peace_79 wrote: »
    This is an interesting topic to me.

    I appears that the concensus is that Thanos would make light work of Apocalypse.

    Can someone explain why this is?

    I am far more versed in the X-men the other comicbook backstories.

    Because I can't think of anything Apocalypse can do that Thanos wouldn't do better.
  • Peace_79
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    Interesting ...


    Apocalypse

    He is able to control of his body on the molecular level and structure-- allowing him to grow to giant like proportions; shape, change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and even demonstrate psionic abilities, the power of flight, and become virtually immune to the effects of age ...

    Apocalypse can also increase and enhance his strength to levels surpassing that of the Incredible Hulk ...




    Thanos

    Thanos possesses the superhuman physiology of all Eternals, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and agility. His skin in nearly invulnerable, particulary against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease, and he can survive indefinitely without food or water even before his "curse" from Death left him immortal, unable to die. His mind is also invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack, and can project a psionic blast of energy as well as blasts of plasma/cosmic energy from his eyes and hands



    Off the top, I can see a few advantages ... But for a novice, can someone explain this to me in more detail?
  • Paprika
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    Peace_79 wrote: »
    Interesting ...


    Apocalypse

    He is able to control of his body on the molecular level and structure-- allowing him to grow to giant like proportions; shape, change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and even demonstrate psionic abilities, the power of flight, and become virtually immune to the effects of age ...

    Apocalypse can also increase and enhance his strength to levels surpassing that of the Incredible Hulk ...




    Thanos

    Thanos possesses the superhuman physiology of all Eternals, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and agility. His skin in nearly invulnerable, particulary against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease, and he can survive indefinitely without food or water even before his "curse" from Death left him immortal, unable to die. His mind is also invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack, and can project a psionic blast of energy as well as blasts of plasma/cosmic energy from his eyes and hands



    Off the top, I can see a few advantages ... But for a novice, can someone explain this to me in more detail?

    For the molecular manipulation that Apocalypse has, think of Mystique being able to mimic the look of anyone she sees or knows. He's able to transform his body (and parts of it) into any shape, size, weapon or density. He is also quite malleable like Mr. Fantastic but is able to retain the bone crushing hits of his normal form.

    Some examples of what he can do include turning into a jet, turning his hands into blast canons. Psionic means he's capable of using psychic abilities, like telepathy. He faced off against Jean (Phoenix) on the Astral plane.

    For Thanos, think of Juggernaut's helmet. He's protected from all mind attacks unless someone removed his helmet. In Thanos' case, only top tier telepaths can battle him: Stryfe, Nate Grey, Phoenix.

    Psionic blasts are psychic blasts that target the mind and cosmic beams are powerful blasts that are used by galactic beings like Silver Surfer.
  • The Lonious Monk
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    Peace_79 wrote: »
    Interesting ...


    Apocalypse

    He is able to control of his body on the molecular level and structure-- allowing him to grow to giant like proportions; shape, change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and even demonstrate psionic abilities, the power of flight, and become virtually immune to the effects of age ...

    Apocalypse can also increase and enhance his strength to levels surpassing that of the Incredible Hulk ...




    Thanos

    Thanos possesses the superhuman physiology of all Eternals, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and agility. His skin in nearly invulnerable, particulary against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease, and he can survive indefinitely without food or water even before his "curse" from Death left him immortal, unable to die. His mind is also invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack, and can project a psionic blast of energy as well as blasts of plasma/cosmic energy from his eyes and hands



    Off the top, I can see a few advantages ... But for a novice, can someone explain this to me in more detail?

    The problem with descriptions like that is that they are typically idealized and don't really reflect what you typically see in the comics. For instance, Apocalypse isn't typically shown to be on par with the Hulk when it comes to strength.
  • Paprika
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    Peace_79 wrote: »
    Interesting ...


    Apocalypse

    He is able to control of his body on the molecular level and structure-- allowing him to grow to giant like proportions; shape, change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and even demonstrate psionic abilities, the power of flight, and become virtually immune to the effects of age ...

    Apocalypse can also increase and enhance his strength to levels surpassing that of the Incredible Hulk ...




    Thanos

    Thanos possesses the superhuman physiology of all Eternals, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and agility. His skin in nearly invulnerable, particulary against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease, and he can survive indefinitely without food or water even before his "curse" from Death left him immortal, unable to die. His mind is also invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack, and can project a psionic blast of energy as well as blasts of plasma/cosmic energy from his eyes and hands



    Off the top, I can see a few advantages ... But for a novice, can someone explain this to me in more detail?

    The problem with descriptions like that is that they are typically idealized and don't really reflect what you typically see in the comics. For instance, Apocalypse isn't typically shown to be on par with the Hulk when it comes to strength.

    To be fair, he did bring Hulk (Onslaught era) to his knees. Writers tend to give Apocalypse some of the worst showings.

    His resume is quite strong however, beat the High Evolutionary, Ikaris of the Eternals, Loki, Thor, tanked a disintegrating blast from Stryfe. Turns people into stone and took over Stryfe's body.

    I'd say it's a close fight.

    Are we allowed to post scans on this site?
  • Peace_79
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    Paprika wrote: »
    Peace_79 wrote: »
    Interesting ...


    Apocalypse

    He is able to control of his body on the molecular level and structure-- allowing him to grow to giant like proportions; shape, change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and even demonstrate psionic abilities, the power of flight, and become virtually immune to the effects of age ...

    Apocalypse can also increase and enhance his strength to levels surpassing that of the Incredible Hulk ...




    Thanos

    Thanos possesses the superhuman physiology of all Eternals, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and agility. His skin in nearly invulnerable, particulary against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease, and he can survive indefinitely without food or water even before his "curse" from Death left him immortal, unable to die. His mind is also invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack, and can project a psionic blast of energy as well as blasts of plasma/cosmic energy from his eyes and hands



    Off the top, I can see a few advantages ... But for a novice, can someone explain this to me in more detail?

    For the molecular manipulation that Apocalypse has, think of Mystique being able to mimic the look of anyone she sees or knows. He's able to transform his body (and parts of it) into any shape, size, weapon or density. He is also quite malleable like Mr. Fantastic but is able to retain the bone crushing hits of his normal form.

    Some examples of what he can do include turning into a jet, turning his hands into blast canons. Psionic means he's capable of using psychic abilities, like telepathy. He faced off against Jean (Phoenix) on the Astral plane.

    For Thanos, think of Juggernaut's helmet. He's protected from all mind attacks unless someone removed his helmet. In Thanos' case, only top tier telepaths can battle him: Stryfe, Nate Grey, Phoenix.

    Psionic blasts are psychic blasts that target the mind and cosmic beams are powerful blasts that are used by galactic beings like Silver Surfer.

    Thanks a lot. This all makes perfect sense to me. Given what you know who do you think would win in a match?



    Paprika wrote: »
    Peace_79 wrote: »
    Interesting ...


    Apocalypse

    He is able to control of his body on the molecular level and structure-- allowing him to grow to giant like proportions; shape, change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and even demonstrate psionic abilities, the power of flight, and become virtually immune to the effects of age ...

    Apocalypse can also increase and enhance his strength to levels surpassing that of the Incredible Hulk ...




    Thanos

    Thanos possesses the superhuman physiology of all Eternals, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and agility. His skin in nearly invulnerable, particulary against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease, and he can survive indefinitely without food or water even before his "curse" from Death left him immortal, unable to die. His mind is also invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack, and can project a psionic blast of energy as well as blasts of plasma/cosmic energy from his eyes and hands



    Off the top, I can see a few advantages ... But for a novice, can someone explain this to me in more detail?

    The problem with descriptions like that is that they are typically idealized and don't really reflect what you typically see in the comics. For instance, Apocalypse isn't typically shown to be on par with the Hulk when it comes to strength.

    Are we allowed to post scans on this site?

    I've seen it done in other threads...
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    Paprika wrote: »
    Peace_79 wrote: »
    Interesting ...


    Apocalypse

    He is able to control of his body on the molecular level and structure-- allowing him to grow to giant like proportions; shape, change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and even demonstrate psionic abilities, the power of flight, and become virtually immune to the effects of age ...

    Apocalypse can also increase and enhance his strength to levels surpassing that of the Incredible Hulk ...




    Thanos

    Thanos possesses the superhuman physiology of all Eternals, granting him superhuman strength, endurance, reflexes, and agility. His skin in nearly invulnerable, particulary against heat, cold, electricity, radiation, toxins, aging, and disease, and he can survive indefinitely without food or water even before his "curse" from Death left him immortal, unable to die. His mind is also invulnerable to most forms of psychic attack, and can project a psionic blast of energy as well as blasts of plasma/cosmic energy from his eyes and hands



    Off the top, I can see a few advantages ... But for a novice, can someone explain this to me in more detail?

    The problem with descriptions like that is that they are typically idealized and don't really reflect what you typically see in the comics. For instance, Apocalypse isn't typically shown to be on par with the Hulk when it comes to strength.

    To be fair, he did bring Hulk (Onslaught era) to his knees. Writers tend to give Apocalypse some of the worst showings.

    His resume is quite strong however, beat the High Evolutionary, Ikaris of the Eternals, Loki, Thor, tanked a disintegrating blast from Stryfe. Turns people into stone and took over Stryfe's body.

    I'd say it's a close fight.

    Are we allowed to post scans on this site?

    If I'm not mistaken that was Mr. Fixit or some other weaker version of the Hulk. Apocalypse isn't ? with Savage Hulk let alone Worldbreaker. You can post scans on this site.