Did jay brainwash hip hop fans into believing he is a Goat?
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willywanker
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Jay has got some nice ? no doubt, but he is far from one of the best to me, when I was younger I thought he was I even sided with jay against nas lol, but now I struggle to listen to his music, blueprint has some bangers I still mess with "you don't know" but for the most part my opinions have changed on the man and I find myself thinking how did he do it? Ja Rule, Dmx, Eminem, 50, wayne sold more and had better music so he was never on top, I think jay has been using some mind control type of ? on people, was it the media? did he do a deal with Obama? Don't try telling me it was his music.
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I don't see why he wants to be a goat so badly, there's nothing wrong with camels.
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No, that's Nas that did that #EtherFacts
Anyone who ain't blind knows he's a camel, not a
goat, & anyone w/ @ least one functioning ear &
a single working brain cell knows Hov is the
greatest rapper ever & top 5 at worst #TidalFacts :umad:
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C'mon Willie, don't be a ? .
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BritishGentleman wrote: »I don't see why he wants to be a goat so badly, there's nothing wrong with camels.
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A lot of the people calling him GOAT today, are only saying it because everyone else is.
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Goat is such a opinion based thing. I will say this though. He is one of the few rappers who can legitimately make that claim. With dudes like Nas, Pac, Cube, Face. If we are basing it on classic albums, songs, verses, longevity, and influence.
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No.. But Wayne did the best rapper alive ?
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As an artist, Jay has been hit or miss his entire career. One minute he'll give you the Blueprint. Next minute he's giving you Kingdom Come. When he's great....he's great....so much so that when he puts forth a lackluster project he get's criticized more because we know how good he's capable of being when he wants to. I still think he's one of the greatest because he's got legitimately classic albums, longevity, cultural influence, and has done great things for hip hop as an artist and business man.
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No.. But Wayne did the best rapper alive ?
Both of em did imo. Jay just went a different way about it by likening himself to ? -
willywanker wrote: »Jay has got some nice ? no doubt, but he is far from one of the best to me, when I was younger I thought he was I even sided with jay against nas lol, but now I struggle to listen to his music, blueprint has some bangers I still mess with "you don't know" but for the most part my opinions have changed on the man and I find myself thinking how did he do it? Ja Rule, Dmx, Eminem, 50, wayne sold more and had better music so he was never on top, I think jay has been using some mind control type of ? on people, was it the media? did he do a deal with Obama? Don't try telling me it was his music.
the difference between jayz and the guys that i bolded ...is the consistency and impact ... most of those guys made an impact but it was with in a specific time period ... the only one that may could take jayz spot is lil wayne but it all depends on how his next project goes ... cause his last couple of efforts have been EHHhh lol ...
but consistency is why jayz is @ the top ... and impact ... and influence .... etc... since reasonable doubt dude has rarely ever keeped his foot off the pedal ... and hes also making an impact in a new era ... his an 50 year old artist thats still relevant ... there isnt 1 artist in the game that can TRUTHFULLY state that ...
you gotta tip your hat to the man ... and as a HIP HOP business overall hes TOP 3 ...
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willywanker wrote: »Jay has got some nice ? no doubt, but he is far from one of the best to me, when I was younger I thought he was I even sided with jay against nas lol, but now I struggle to listen to his music, blueprint has some bangers I still mess with "you don't know" but for the most part my opinions have changed on the man and I find myself thinking how did he do it? Ja Rule, Dmx, Eminem, 50, wayne sold more and had better music so he was never on top, I think jay has been using some mind control type of ? on people, was it the media? did he do a deal with Obama? Don't try telling me it was his music.
the difference between jayz and the guys that i bolded ...is the consistency and impact ... most of those guys made an impact but it was with in a specific time period ... the only one that may could take jayz spot is lil wayne but it all depends on how his next project goes ... cause his last couple of efforts have been EHHhh lol ...
but consistency is why jayz is @ the top ... and impact ... and influence .... etc... since reasonable doubt dude has rarely ever keeped his foot off the pedal ... and hes also making an impact in a new era ... his an 50 year old artist thats still relevant ... there isnt 1 artist in the game that can TRUTHFULLY state that ...
you gotta tip your hat to the man ... and as a HIP HOP business overall hes TOP 3 ...
also jayz is the reason why alot of artist put there all into hip hop ... they are chasing his success !! -
BritishGentleman wrote: »I don't see why he wants to be a goat so badly, there's nothing wrong with camels.
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ya fooled yaself ...
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No, he is not the greatest in any regard. Commercially, Eminem is superior to him. Artistically, Nas & Common have done more musically than him. He hasn't pushed the genre in any further in any direction since he's been in the game. In fact, the people most inspired by Jay are some of the worst in the game now, I.E. Wayne. He's not the GOAT rapper; in fact, most of his career he didn't want to be proclaimed as a rapper at all, he wanted to be "a hustler who just so happened to rap." I find it funny that people like that who use the culture to enrich themselves somehow feel they are entitled to Godlike reverence from the fans.
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I guess we're going to pretend jay is the only rapper who's called himself the greatest
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Smh....y'all buggin' out
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Music is subjective
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The dudes lyrics .... beat choices ... different flows. .... his catalog .... his resume in and outside of music .....his awkwardly cool character and charisma ....
his nonchalant attitude . .. drive and determination
Dude is such the anomaly ..... he has more threads from the haters and those who feel he's undeserving of the props and accolades ......
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You bugging B, Jay has done everything but pioneer Hip Hop. Album sales have nothing to do with being great. On top of that you only bring up Blueprint. SMH.
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Dumbest thread in a while
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He might not be the best rapper off talent alone, but he's probably the most successful.
When I say successful, I don't mean the biggest sales, I mean he made the most money and kept it.
Eminem's record sales and concert sales probably generated more money than Jay Z's record sales and concert sales, but I'd wager that Jay Z kept more of that money than Eminem.
Thats why people say he's the GOAT.
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Nah he just bit a goat's lyrics after his death, hopped on the remix of every hot song, took a "Young-er" rapper's flow when that got stale, faked retirement then mimicked ye's high-fashion aspirations and became Euro-Jay...
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Never can be goats dont lose 92 bricks
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Nah it was the music he put out
