Were We Taught MORE LIES About Chrisopher Columbus?

Arya Tsaddiq
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Stole this from another forum I lurk at from time to time....
zombie wrote: »
Huh? Are you saying that no archaelogical or historical data holds any weight but genetic evidence? That's pretty silly and not in line with scientific convention at all.

And I'm not sure what you mean by there is no physical evidence. He provided physical evidence in the form of materials and plants found in the Americas that unquestionably came from Africa.

Those materials could have originated in africa but that does not mean that black people brought them there and you cannot respect the words of columbus to prove anything he did not know his ass from his elbow HE THOUGHT HE WAS in india.

What you think bro?

3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

"Hidden ones"?

I have the memoirs of christopher columbus as evidence that he did read the apochrypha 2nd esdras to determine the path to the new world which is referred to as Azarath in the book of 2nd Esdras.This was the new world untouched and unblemished and where the 10 tribes of israel fled from Assyria , a land never before inhabited by man.

It is quite evident that these edomites convertos or marranos all knew the world was round and what their mission was'which was to find and enslave Israel



40 Those are the ten tribes, which were carried away prisoners out of their own land in the time of Osea the king, whom Salmanasar the king of Assyria led away captive, and he carried them over the waters, and so came they into another land.2nd Kings chapter 17:20-27

41 But they took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,

42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.

43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.

44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.

45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.


46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,

47 The Highest shall stay the springs of the stream again, that they may go through: therefore sawest thou the multitude with peace.


  • Arya Tsaddiq
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    Excerpts from cloumbus memoir
    Columbus' reading of the seer Salathiel-Ezra in the books of Esdras, from the Apocrypha (especially II Esdras 6:42, in which the prophet states that the Earth is six parts land to one of water) reinforced these ideas of the proportion of land- to sea-crossing, and the mistake was compounded by his idiosyncratic view of the length of a degree of geographic latitude. "This was his misunderstanding because this was at creation, the demographics of the world had changed since"

    The degree, according to Arabic calculators, consisted of 56 2/3 Arab miles, and an Arab mile measured 1,975.5 metres. Given the fact that a nautical mile measures 1,852 metres, this degree, then, amounts to approximately 60.45 nautical miles. Columbus , however, used the Italian mile of 1,477.5 metres for his calculations and thus arrived at a calculation of

    ." His Christian interests are manifest. He was plainly a deeply religious and reflective man as well as a distinguished ? , and, being largely self-taught, had a reverence for learning, especially, perhaps, the learning of his most influential Spanish supporters. The Book of Prophecies, a collection of prophetic passages and pronouncements, taken largely from the Bible and seeming to bear upon his western voyages, which seems largely to have been put together between September 1501 and March 1502 (with additions until c. 1505) by Columbus and his friend the Carthusian friar Gaspar Gorricio, is a striking manifestation of these sensibilities and seems to contain many passages and extracts that were personally important to the admiral.



    PSALMS 83

    3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

    4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

    5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against
    6 The tabernacles of EDOM, and the ISHMAELITES



    During Columbus' lifetime, Jews became the target of fanatical religious persecution. On March 31, 1492, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella proclaimed that all Jews were to be expelled from Spain. The edict especially targeted the 800,000 Jews who had never converted, and gave them four months to pack up and get out.

    The Jews who were forced to renounce Judaism and embrace Catholicism were known as "Conversos," or converts. There were also those who feigned conversion, practicing Catholicism outwardly while covertly practicing Judaism, the so-called "Marranos," or swine.

    Tens of thousands of Marranos were tortured by the Spanish Inquisition. They were pressured to offer names of friends and family members, who were ultimately paraded in front of crowds, tied to stakes and burned alive. Their land and personal possessions were then divvied up by the church and crown.

    Recently, a number of Spanish scholars, such as Jose Erugo, Celso Garcia de la Riega, Otero Sanchez and Nicholas Dias Perez, have concluded that Columbus was a Marrano, whose survival depended upon the suppression of all evidence of his Jewish background in face of the brutal, systematic ethnic cleansing.

    Columbus, who was known in Spain as Cristóbal Colón and didn't speak Italian, signed his last will and testament on May 19, 1506, and made five curious -- and revealing -- provisions.

    Two of his wishes -- tithe one-tenth of his income to the poor and provide an anonymous dowry for poor girls -- are part of Jewish customs. He also decreed to give money to a Jew who lived at the entrance of the Lisbon Jewish Quarter.

    On those documents, Columbus used a triangular signature of dots and letters that resembled inscriptions found on gravestones of Jewish cemeteries in Spain. He ordered his heirs to use the signature in perpetuity.

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    According to British historian Cecil Roth's "The History of the Marranos," the anagram was a cryptic substitute for the Kaddish, a prayer recited in the synagogue by mourners after the death of a close relative. Thus, Columbus' subterfuge allowed his sons to say Kaddish for their crypto-Jewish father when he died. Finally, Columbus left money to support the crusade he hoped his successors would take up to liberate the Holy Land.

    Estelle Irizarry, a linguistics professor at Georgetown University, has analyzed the language and syntax of hundreds of handwritten letters, diaries and documents of Columbus and concluded that the explorer's primary written and spoken language was Castilian Spanish. Irizarry explains that 15th-century Castilian Spanish was the "Yiddish" of Spanish Jewry, known as "Ladino." At the top left-hand corner of all but one of the 13 letters written by Columbus to his son Diego contained the handwritten Hebrew letters bet-hei, meaning b'ezrat Hashem (with ? 's help). Observant Jews have for centuries customarily added this blessing to their letters. No letters to outsiders bear this mark, and the one letter to Diego in which this was omitted was one meant for King Ferdinand.

    In Simon Weisenthal's book, "Sails of Hope," he argues that Columbus' voyage was motivated by a desire to find a safe haven for the Jews in light of their expulsion from Spain. Likewise, Carol Delaney, a cultural anthropologist at Stanford University, concludes that Columbus was a deeply religious man whose purpose was to sail to Asia to obtain gold in order to finance a crusade to take back Jerusalem and rebuild the Jews' holy Temple.

    In Columbus' day, Jews widely believed that Jerusalem had to be liberated and the Temple rebuilt for the Messiah to come.

    Scholars point to the date on which Columbus set sail as further evidence of his true motives. He was originally going to sail on August 2, 1492, a day that happened to coincide with the Jewish holiday of Tisha B'Av, marking the destruction of the First and Second Holy Temples of Jerusalem. Columbus postponed this original sail date by one day to avoid embarking on the holiday, which would have been considered by Jews to be an unlucky day to set sail. (Coincidentally or significantly, the day he set forth was the very day that Jews were, by law, given the choice of converting, leaving Spain, or being killed.)

    Columbus' voyage was not, as is commonly believed, funded by the deep pockets of Queen Isabella, but rather by two Jewish Conversos and another prominent Jew. Louis de Santangel and Gabriel Sanchez advanced an interest free loan of 17,000 ducats from their own pockets to help pay for the voyage, as did Don Isaac Abrabanel, rabbi and Jewish statesman.

    Indeed, the first two letters Columbus sent back from his journey were not to Ferdinand and Isabella, but to Santangel and Sanchez, thanking them for their support and telling them what he had found.

    The evidence seem to bear out a far more complicated picture of the man for whom our nation now celebrates a national holiday and has named its capital.

    As we witness bloodshed the world over in the name of religious freedom, it is valuable to take another look at the man who sailed the seas in search of such freedoms -- landing in a place that would eventually come to hold such an ideal at its very core.
    KUSHCLICK314 Members Posts: 392 ✭✭✭✭
    I heard that Columbus was a equivalent to a pirate. He robbed other ships of all there belongings
  • cyr0gen
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    He was absolute ? . They seem to skip over that part of his life in our schools :|