Historic deal reached with Iran to limit nuclear program
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kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »North Korea has nuclear technology too.....but they're not crazy enough to use it. Iran isn't either, assuming they are building a weapon.
north korea does not have the missile technology to attack anywhere too far they can attack south korea and maybe some parts of japan and that's it and despite being evil as ? they are still rational to a certain extent
Iran however might not be because it's a islamic theocracy.
Iran doesn't have the missile technology either, and their theocracy is not as bad as some other Muslim nations. Pakistan was caught red handed helping out Osama Bin Laden, and guess what?? Their military has nuclear capabilities too. You should be more worried about Pakistan and Saudi Arabia if anything, both of those nations have people and govt officials who are supporting Al-Qaeda and other Sunni terror groups on the low and blatantly. You know damn well the 9/11 report was blacked out because of the Saudis.
Iran is one of the FEW nations in the Middle East fighting the extremist Sunni groups who are spreading terror all over the region. And Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake when it comes to spreading and encouraging Sunni terror, worry about them instead of Iran. Israel has a better chance of doing something reckless and evil then Iran does.
I worry about all those ? but no matter what you say the spread of nuclear weapons capability can never be a good thing.
Iran is gonna build its nuclear capabilities no matter what, they have underground bunkers that realistically are too deep to be destroyed. With Isra-hell filled with nuclear weapons, it's only fair that Iran counters the terrorist, parasite nation that isn't too far from it. The world's biggest powers are NOT as scared as you are, that's very telling. If North Korea can be contained, so can Iran. You worry too much.
Iran cannot be contained this will eventually lead to disaster. Israel has the right to exist and survive and should defend itself at all costs this stupid decision from this weak president is putting future generations at risk. And will lead to a major ? war
We can only hope that the other branches of government shut this ? down and that this fool Obama doesn't do something else stupid
How will this deal lead to a major war? Who would start this war?
Iran or any of the enemies of israel
I doubt it, Israel is the one saying they still have military options on the table and won't be bound to the agreement, despite most of the world supporting the deal.
It would be dumb as ? to take any option off the table and the rest of the world does not have to live surrounded by people who want to commit another holocaust on their population. -
Our enemies should be glad we support Israel the minute we don't and Israel feel abandoned and attacked it will be massive war and going by their track record Israel will win and this time they won't voluntarily give land back
Indeed...
The Zionists are relentless......
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kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »North Korea has nuclear technology too.....but they're not crazy enough to use it. Iran isn't either, assuming they are building a weapon.
north korea does not have the missile technology to attack anywhere too far they can attack south korea and maybe some parts of japan and that's it and despite being evil as ? they are still rational to a certain extent
Iran however might not be because it's a islamic theocracy.
Iran doesn't have the missile technology either, and their theocracy is not as bad as some other Muslim nations. Pakistan was caught red handed helping out Osama Bin Laden, and guess what?? Their military has nuclear capabilities too. You should be more worried about Pakistan and Saudi Arabia if anything, both of those nations have people and govt officials who are supporting Al-Qaeda and other Sunni terror groups on the low and blatantly. You know damn well the 9/11 report was blacked out because of the Saudis.
Iran is one of the FEW nations in the Middle East fighting the extremist Sunni groups who are spreading terror all over the region. And Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake when it comes to spreading and encouraging Sunni terror, worry about them instead of Iran. Israel has a better chance of doing something reckless and evil then Iran does.
I worry about all those ? but no matter what you say the spread of nuclear weapons capability can never be a good thing.
Iran is gonna build its nuclear capabilities no matter what, they have underground bunkers that realistically are too deep to be destroyed. With Isra-hell filled with nuclear weapons, it's only fair that Iran counters the terrorist, parasite nation that isn't too far from it. The world's biggest powers are NOT as scared as you are, that's very telling. If North Korea can be contained, so can Iran. You worry too much.
Iran cannot be contained this will eventually lead to disaster. Israel has the right to exist and survive and should defend itself at all costs this stupid decision from this weak president is putting future generations at risk. And will lead to a major ? war
We can only hope that the other branches of government shut this ? down and that this fool Obama doesn't do something else stupid
How will this deal lead to a major war? Who would start this war?
Iran or any of the enemies of israel
I doubt it, Israel is the one saying they still have military options on the table and won't be bound to the agreement, despite most of the world supporting the deal.
It would be dumb as ? to take any option off the table and the rest of the world does not have to live surrounded by people who want to commit another holocaust on their population.
Israel forced itself on the region and created many refugees in the process, of course people there are gonna be angry at them. You can't just invade a land, create tons of refugees and expect people in the region to magically like you, especially when they are still stealing land till this day. They also don't want to follow the Arab League's plan, so what sympathy are they really gonna get from most of the world. If Israel wants to have beef with the region all the time, then let them do it without American support.
You say America holds Israel back but if America stopped protecting it, the rest of the world would deal with them in a fair manner. America holding hands with them will only CONTINUE to increase the terror threats against America. I suppose you and American government officials don't mind this. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »Our enemies should be glad we support Israel the minute we don't and Israel feel abandoned and attacked it will be massive war and going by their track record Israel will win and this time they won't voluntarily give land back
Thanks for admitting Israel is a nation of warmongers. If Israel feels abandoned and goes crazy, then other nations will put them down too. America doesn't need to be involved in this BS.
WHO IS GOING TO PUT ISRAEL BACK DOWN ???? WHO IN THE MIDDLE EAST HAS THE ABILITY TO DO THAT??? THE LAST TIME ISRAEL WENT TO WAR IN WIPED THE FLOOR WITH THE ARAB NATIONS and that was back when the the arabs had backing from the ussr.
If israel was a nation of warmongers they would have kept the land they won israel just wants to live in peace and safety.
Richard Nixon saved Israel in 1973 during the Yom Kippur war, but Israel did win in the 60s and 40s. And I already said Russia and China would get involved if oil supplies start getting messed up, if Israel ? things up.
And Israel doesn't want to live in peace, ask the United Nations. You whine about the UN but in reality, it's a consensus of world opinion.
Why would russia get involved??? russia is an oil producing nation in fact gas production is the only thing holding up there weak economy. if the oil supply gets ? with it mean an increase in price so russia would stand to benefit.
China is a paper tiger and they do not possess the capability to project force outside of their region they have no bases in the middle east no good air craft carriers to move armies and supplies and there huge army is actually weak because most of there training is just political indoctrination.
If you don't think Russia or China would help their ally Iran in the case of an Israeli attack, you are wrong. Russia is already giving Iran powerful weapons and China badly needs Iran's oil considering its economy is slowing down. China probably wouldn't have to use its military in an Israeli attack, they would probably help Iran financially by continuing trade. Money too I bet, Iran has a ton of oil the world wants, especially India. Iran will be making a killing financially soon.
Russia has given Iran great weapons for shooting planes down, that's why Israel is begging America to keep Iran down. Israel knows it needs American help to truly put a hurting to Iran's nuclear program. America needs to say ? YOU to Israel and let the parasitic nation take care of its own problems for once. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »North Korea has nuclear technology too.....but they're not crazy enough to use it. Iran isn't either, assuming they are building a weapon.
north korea does not have the missile technology to attack anywhere too far they can attack south korea and maybe some parts of japan and that's it and despite being evil as ? they are still rational to a certain extent
Iran however might not be because it's a islamic theocracy.
Iran doesn't have the missile technology either, and their theocracy is not as bad as some other Muslim nations. Pakistan was caught red handed helping out Osama Bin Laden, and guess what?? Their military has nuclear capabilities too. You should be more worried about Pakistan and Saudi Arabia if anything, both of those nations have people and govt officials who are supporting Al-Qaeda and other Sunni terror groups on the low and blatantly. You know damn well the 9/11 report was blacked out because of the Saudis.
Iran is one of the FEW nations in the Middle East fighting the extremist Sunni groups who are spreading terror all over the region. And Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake when it comes to spreading and encouraging Sunni terror, worry about them instead of Iran. Israel has a better chance of doing something reckless and evil then Iran does.
I worry about all those ? but no matter what you say the spread of nuclear weapons capability can never be a good thing.
Iran is gonna build its nuclear capabilities no matter what, they have underground bunkers that realistically are too deep to be destroyed. With Isra-hell filled with nuclear weapons, it's only fair that Iran counters the terrorist, parasite nation that isn't too far from it. The world's biggest powers are NOT as scared as you are, that's very telling. If North Korea can be contained, so can Iran. You worry too much.
Iran cannot be contained this will eventually lead to disaster. Israel has the right to exist and survive and should defend itself at all costs this stupid decision from this weak president is putting future generations at risk. And will lead to a major ? war
We can only hope that the other branches of government shut this ? down and that this fool Obama doesn't do something else stupid
How will this deal lead to a major war? Who would start this war?
Iran or any of the enemies of israel
I doubt it, Israel is the one saying they still have military options on the table and won't be bound to the agreement, despite most of the world supporting the deal.
It would be dumb as ? to take any option off the table and the rest of the world does not have to live surrounded by people who want to commit another holocaust on their population.
Israel forced itself on the region and created many refugees in the process, of course people there are gonna be angry at them. You can't just invade a land, create tons of refugees and expect people in the region to magically like you, especially when they are still stealing land till this day. They also don't want to follow the Arab League's plan, so what sympathy are they really gonna get from most of the world. If Israel wants to have beef with the region all the time, then let them do it without American support.
You say America holds Israel back but if America stopped protecting it, the rest of the world would deal with them in a fair manner. America holding hands with them will only CONTINUE to increase the terror threats against America. I suppose you and American government officials don't mind this.
Now you are the one that is ignorant of history, Israel did not force itself on the region, jews have always lived there and it was the U.K that promised them the land it was a tiny and useless portion of land but the racist and islamic supremist arabs tried to slaughter them, that did not work out to good for the arabs israel won those early defensive wars and grew in size. Why the ? should they follow the arab leagues's plan??? when it's not beneficial to israel.
The rest of the world does not really give a ? , they just talk LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO. There is nothing we can do to decrease the hate THE ARAB world feels for us because it's a religious hate. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »North Korea has nuclear technology too.....but they're not crazy enough to use it. Iran isn't either, assuming they are building a weapon.
north korea does not have the missile technology to attack anywhere too far they can attack south korea and maybe some parts of japan and that's it and despite being evil as ? they are still rational to a certain extent
Iran however might not be because it's a islamic theocracy.
Iran doesn't have the missile technology either, and their theocracy is not as bad as some other Muslim nations. Pakistan was caught red handed helping out Osama Bin Laden, and guess what?? Their military has nuclear capabilities too. You should be more worried about Pakistan and Saudi Arabia if anything, both of those nations have people and govt officials who are supporting Al-Qaeda and other Sunni terror groups on the low and blatantly. You know damn well the 9/11 report was blacked out because of the Saudis.
Iran is one of the FEW nations in the Middle East fighting the extremist Sunni groups who are spreading terror all over the region. And Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake when it comes to spreading and encouraging Sunni terror, worry about them instead of Iran. Israel has a better chance of doing something reckless and evil then Iran does.
I worry about all those ? but no matter what you say the spread of nuclear weapons capability can never be a good thing.
Iran is gonna build its nuclear capabilities no matter what, they have underground bunkers that realistically are too deep to be destroyed. With Isra-hell filled with nuclear weapons, it's only fair that Iran counters the terrorist, parasite nation that isn't too far from it. The world's biggest powers are NOT as scared as you are, that's very telling. If North Korea can be contained, so can Iran. You worry too much.
Iran cannot be contained this will eventually lead to disaster. Israel has the right to exist and survive and should defend itself at all costs this stupid decision from this weak president is putting future generations at risk. And will lead to a major ? war
We can only hope that the other branches of government shut this ? down and that this fool Obama doesn't do something else stupid
How will this deal lead to a major war? Who would start this war?
Iran or any of the enemies of israel
I doubt it, Israel is the one saying they still have military options on the table and won't be bound to the agreement, despite most of the world supporting the deal.
It would be dumb as ? to take any option off the table and the rest of the world does not have to live surrounded by people who want to commit another holocaust on their population.
Israel forced itself on the region and created many refugees in the process, of course people there are gonna be angry at them. You can't just invade a land, create tons of refugees and expect people in the region to magically like you, especially when they are still stealing land till this day. They also don't want to follow the Arab League's plan, so what sympathy are they really gonna get from most of the world. If Israel wants to have beef with the region all the time, then let them do it without American support.
You say America holds Israel back but if America stopped protecting it, the rest of the world would deal with them in a fair manner. America holding hands with them will only CONTINUE to increase the terror threats against America. I suppose you and American government officials don't mind this.
Now you are the one that is ignorant of history, Israel did not force itself on the region, jews have always lived there and it was the U.K that promised them the land it was a tiny and useless portion of land but the racist and islamic supremist arabs tried to slaughter them, that did not work out to good for the arabs israel won those early defensive wars and grew in size. Why the ? should they follow the arab leagues's plan??? when it's not beneficial to israel.
The rest of the world does not really give a ? , they just talk LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO. There is nothing we can do to decrease the hate THE ARAB world feels for us because it's a religious hate.
Your history is not all there, the many illegal immigrant Jews from Ukraine, Poland, etc who arrived in Palestinian land in the 40s started acting aggressive and the United Nations only made a recommendation on the land. Israeli settlers then took by force several cities filled with native Palestinians and removed them with violence, grenades, and worse. But I'm not gonna go into details on that because you should know this already.
And yes I know many of the jihadis out there use Islam as their motivation to take over land but its been America and its allies for the past few decades that have been killing and blowing civilians up there the most. The biggest protests in history were against the Iraq War, and America still committed its war crimes in Iraq and other places. If America behaved itself better, people worldwide wouldn't have so much beef with USA. -
And to whoever said China's military is weak.....
http://theweek.com/articles/566448/chinas-new-bomber-could-wipe-air-force-base
China's new bomber could wipe out a U.S. Air Force base
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kingblaze84 wrote: »And to whoever said China's military is weak.....
http://theweek.com/articles/566448/chinas-new-bomber-could-wipe-air-force-base
China's new bomber could wipe out a U.S. Air Force base
That doesn't mean they have a strong military it takes more than a bomber to have a strong military -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »North Korea has nuclear technology too.....but they're not crazy enough to use it. Iran isn't either, assuming they are building a weapon.
north korea does not have the missile technology to attack anywhere too far they can attack south korea and maybe some parts of japan and that's it and despite being evil as ? they are still rational to a certain extent
Iran however might not be because it's a islamic theocracy.
Iran doesn't have the missile technology either, and their theocracy is not as bad as some other Muslim nations. Pakistan was caught red handed helping out Osama Bin Laden, and guess what?? Their military has nuclear capabilities too. You should be more worried about Pakistan and Saudi Arabia if anything, both of those nations have people and govt officials who are supporting Al-Qaeda and other Sunni terror groups on the low and blatantly. You know damn well the 9/11 report was blacked out because of the Saudis.
Iran is one of the FEW nations in the Middle East fighting the extremist Sunni groups who are spreading terror all over the region. And Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake when it comes to spreading and encouraging Sunni terror, worry about them instead of Iran. Israel has a better chance of doing something reckless and evil then Iran does.
I worry about all those ? but no matter what you say the spread of nuclear weapons capability can never be a good thing.
Iran is gonna build its nuclear capabilities no matter what, they have underground bunkers that realistically are too deep to be destroyed. With Isra-hell filled with nuclear weapons, it's only fair that Iran counters the terrorist, parasite nation that isn't too far from it. The world's biggest powers are NOT as scared as you are, that's very telling. If North Korea can be contained, so can Iran. You worry too much.
Iran cannot be contained this will eventually lead to disaster. Israel has the right to exist and survive and should defend itself at all costs this stupid decision from this weak president is putting future generations at risk. And will lead to a major ? war
We can only hope that the other branches of government shut this ? down and that this fool Obama doesn't do something else stupid
How will this deal lead to a major war? Who would start this war?
Iran or any of the enemies of israel
I doubt it, Israel is the one saying they still have military options on the table and won't be bound to the agreement, despite most of the world supporting the deal.
It would be dumb as ? to take any option off the table and the rest of the world does not have to live surrounded by people who want to commit another holocaust on their population.
Israel forced itself on the region and created many refugees in the process, of course people there are gonna be angry at them. You can't just invade a land, create tons of refugees and expect people in the region to magically like you, especially when they are still stealing land till this day. They also don't want to follow the Arab League's plan, so what sympathy are they really gonna get from most of the world. If Israel wants to have beef with the region all the time, then let them do it without American support.
You say America holds Israel back but if America stopped protecting it, the rest of the world would deal with them in a fair manner. America holding hands with them will only CONTINUE to increase the terror threats against America. I suppose you and American government officials don't mind this.
Now you are the one that is ignorant of history, Israel did not force itself on the region, jews have always lived there and it was the U.K that promised them the land it was a tiny and useless portion of land but the racist and islamic supremist arabs tried to slaughter them, that did not work out to good for the arabs israel won those early defensive wars and grew in size. Why the ? should they follow the arab leagues's plan??? when it's not beneficial to israel.
The rest of the world does not really give a ? , they just talk LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO. There is nothing we can do to decrease the hate THE ARAB world feels for us because it's a religious hate.
Your history is not all there, the many illegal immigrant Jews from Ukraine, Poland, etc who arrived in Palestinian land in the 40s started acting aggressive and the United Nations only made a recommendation on the land. Israeli settlers then took by force several cities filled with native Palestinians and removed them with violence, grenades, and worse. But I'm not gonna go into details on that because you should know this already.
And yes I know many of the jihadis out there use Islam as their motivation to take over land but its been America and its allies for the past few decades that have been killing and blowing civilians up there the most. The biggest protests in history were against the Iraq War, and America still committed its war crimes in Iraq and other places. If America behaved itself better, people worldwide wouldn't have so much beef with USA.
America as the world's most powerful nation does what it feels it needs to In ensuring the relative peace and order of the world. We cannot nor should we bow to world opinion. Because when anybody any nation gets a headache everyone turns to us for help.
Then they turn around and criticize us for taking action they are either unwilling or unable to take. Sometimes in taking these actions innocent people die That's ? up but that's too bad.
If we don't act even more would die -
China's military is not what people think is a quick Google search would confirm this . they are a serious regional power but they don't have anywhere near the global scope or power of the usa to start ? with the middle east.
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...which they got from Pakistan, no lesskingblaze84 wrote: »North Korea has nuclear technology too...
oh, i agree that the less nutjobs with nuclear weapons, the better. but Pakistan a) was in bed with Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc, so we can't argue it's not that kind of a country and b) they looked the other way while Khan sold that ? to the highest bidder, so again, we're not talking about making reasoned decisions based on craziness.The less nut jobs with nuclear weapons the better and the military establishment of Pakistan is no where near as crazy as the one in iran. Iran is a total theocracy the religious leadership control all aspects of it, the same cannot be said for pakistan -
the problem with this theory is:kingblaze84 wrote: »Iran sponsors terror groups worldwide? Okay I guess, but America has done the same directly and indirectly, on a bigger level.
a. you have to reach for what you want to call terrorism because it's important to "out-do" Iranian terrorism.
b. saying "Israel has done terrorist stuff" doesn't mean Iran is somehow NOT going to do terrorist stuff. it's not one or the other.
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so did you just move the goalposts on me because your first argument didn't actually work?manofmorehouse wrote: »Is it not the right of a country that is independent of others to protect itself?? That's the argument made by republicans.
ps. again, it's not just Republicans complaining about this deal
quick question: what did i actually say about this deal that you're arguing against?manofmorehouse wrote: »That's the argument made by iran. Israel wants the benefit of protecting itself with nukes but doesn't want it's middle east neighbors to have them?? Like it or not, iran was going to get weapons anyway.
again... what did i actually say about this deal that you're arguing against? because there's this weird "i want to ? about gun ownership" thing going on here for some reason. i mean, we can debate THAT if you'd like, but i am not sure what a constitutionally-enshrined right has to do with making a deal with Iran re: nuclear weapons.manofmorehouse wrote: »All yall gun lovers should be rejoicing. This is exactly what yall preach. This is exactly what the NRA preaches. Now yall shook when other people feel the need to "protect and defend" themselves??
also, if you're ? about gun owners, and then saying "gun owners should want Iran to have nukes," then shouldn't you be arguing against this deal angrily? because otherwise this comes right back to "why are you ? about gun ownership?"
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the problem with this theory is:kingblaze84 wrote: »Iran sponsors terror groups worldwide? Okay I guess, but America has done the same directly and indirectly, on a bigger level.
a. you have to reach for what you want to call terrorism because it's important to "out-do" Iranian terrorism.
b. saying "Israel has done terrorist stuff" doesn't mean Iran is somehow NOT going to do terrorist stuff. it's not one or the other.
Iran might do terrorist stuff, true. But in the end, if they do, the region needs to handle Iran for that, not America. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »North Korea has nuclear technology too.....but they're not crazy enough to use it. Iran isn't either, assuming they are building a weapon.
north korea does not have the missile technology to attack anywhere too far they can attack south korea and maybe some parts of japan and that's it and despite being evil as ? they are still rational to a certain extent
Iran however might not be because it's a islamic theocracy.
Iran doesn't have the missile technology either, and their theocracy is not as bad as some other Muslim nations. Pakistan was caught red handed helping out Osama Bin Laden, and guess what?? Their military has nuclear capabilities too. You should be more worried about Pakistan and Saudi Arabia if anything, both of those nations have people and govt officials who are supporting Al-Qaeda and other Sunni terror groups on the low and blatantly. You know damn well the 9/11 report was blacked out because of the Saudis.
Iran is one of the FEW nations in the Middle East fighting the extremist Sunni groups who are spreading terror all over the region. And Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake when it comes to spreading and encouraging Sunni terror, worry about them instead of Iran. Israel has a better chance of doing something reckless and evil then Iran does.
I worry about all those ? but no matter what you say the spread of nuclear weapons capability can never be a good thing.
Iran is gonna build its nuclear capabilities no matter what, they have underground bunkers that realistically are too deep to be destroyed. With Isra-hell filled with nuclear weapons, it's only fair that Iran counters the terrorist, parasite nation that isn't too far from it. The world's biggest powers are NOT as scared as you are, that's very telling. If North Korea can be contained, so can Iran. You worry too much.
Iran cannot be contained this will eventually lead to disaster. Israel has the right to exist and survive and should defend itself at all costs this stupid decision from this weak president is putting future generations at risk. And will lead to a major ? war
We can only hope that the other branches of government shut this ? down and that this fool Obama doesn't do something else stupid
How will this deal lead to a major war? Who would start this war?
Iran or any of the enemies of israel
I doubt it, Israel is the one saying they still have military options on the table and won't be bound to the agreement, despite most of the world supporting the deal.
It would be dumb as ? to take any option off the table and the rest of the world does not have to live surrounded by people who want to commit another holocaust on their population.
Israel forced itself on the region and created many refugees in the process, of course people there are gonna be angry at them. You can't just invade a land, create tons of refugees and expect people in the region to magically like you, especially when they are still stealing land till this day. They also don't want to follow the Arab League's plan, so what sympathy are they really gonna get from most of the world. If Israel wants to have beef with the region all the time, then let them do it without American support.
You say America holds Israel back but if America stopped protecting it, the rest of the world would deal with them in a fair manner. America holding hands with them will only CONTINUE to increase the terror threats against America. I suppose you and American government officials don't mind this.
Now you are the one that is ignorant of history, Israel did not force itself on the region, jews have always lived there and it was the U.K that promised them the land it was a tiny and useless portion of land but the racist and islamic supremist arabs tried to slaughter them, that did not work out to good for the arabs israel won those early defensive wars and grew in size. Why the ? should they follow the arab leagues's plan??? when it's not beneficial to israel.
The rest of the world does not really give a ? , they just talk LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO. There is nothing we can do to decrease the hate THE ARAB world feels for us because it's a religious hate.
Your history is not all there, the many illegal immigrant Jews from Ukraine, Poland, etc who arrived in Palestinian land in the 40s started acting aggressive and the United Nations only made a recommendation on the land. Israeli settlers then took by force several cities filled with native Palestinians and removed them with violence, grenades, and worse. But I'm not gonna go into details on that because you should know this already.
And yes I know many of the jihadis out there use Islam as their motivation to take over land but its been America and its allies for the past few decades that have been killing and blowing civilians up there the most. The biggest protests in history were against the Iraq War, and America still committed its war crimes in Iraq and other places. If America behaved itself better, people worldwide wouldn't have so much beef with USA.
America as the world's most powerful nation does what it feels it needs to In ensuring the relative peace and order of the world. We cannot nor should we bow to world opinion. Because when anybody any nation gets a headache everyone turns to us for help.
Then they turn around and criticize us for taking action they are either unwilling or unable to take. Sometimes in taking these actions innocent people die That's ? up but that's too bad.
If we don't act even more would die
LOL at America ensuring relative peace and order in the world....
This ain't no Pax Romana, that's for ? sure. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »North Korea has nuclear technology too.....but they're not crazy enough to use it. Iran isn't either, assuming they are building a weapon.
north korea does not have the missile technology to attack anywhere too far they can attack south korea and maybe some parts of japan and that's it and despite being evil as ? they are still rational to a certain extent
Iran however might not be because it's a islamic theocracy.
Iran doesn't have the missile technology either, and their theocracy is not as bad as some other Muslim nations. Pakistan was caught red handed helping out Osama Bin Laden, and guess what?? Their military has nuclear capabilities too. You should be more worried about Pakistan and Saudi Arabia if anything, both of those nations have people and govt officials who are supporting Al-Qaeda and other Sunni terror groups on the low and blatantly. You know damn well the 9/11 report was blacked out because of the Saudis.
Iran is one of the FEW nations in the Middle East fighting the extremist Sunni groups who are spreading terror all over the region. And Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake when it comes to spreading and encouraging Sunni terror, worry about them instead of Iran. Israel has a better chance of doing something reckless and evil then Iran does.
I worry about all those ? but no matter what you say the spread of nuclear weapons capability can never be a good thing.
Iran is gonna build its nuclear capabilities no matter what, they have underground bunkers that realistically are too deep to be destroyed. With Isra-hell filled with nuclear weapons, it's only fair that Iran counters the terrorist, parasite nation that isn't too far from it. The world's biggest powers are NOT as scared as you are, that's very telling. If North Korea can be contained, so can Iran. You worry too much.
Iran cannot be contained this will eventually lead to disaster. Israel has the right to exist and survive and should defend itself at all costs this stupid decision from this weak president is putting future generations at risk. And will lead to a major ? war
We can only hope that the other branches of government shut this ? down and that this fool Obama doesn't do something else stupid
How will this deal lead to a major war? Who would start this war?
Iran or any of the enemies of israel
I doubt it, Israel is the one saying they still have military options on the table and won't be bound to the agreement, despite most of the world supporting the deal.
It would be dumb as ? to take any option off the table and the rest of the world does not have to live surrounded by people who want to commit another holocaust on their population.
Israel forced itself on the region and created many refugees in the process, of course people there are gonna be angry at them. You can't just invade a land, create tons of refugees and expect people in the region to magically like you, especially when they are still stealing land till this day. They also don't want to follow the Arab League's plan, so what sympathy are they really gonna get from most of the world. If Israel wants to have beef with the region all the time, then let them do it without American support.
You say America holds Israel back but if America stopped protecting it, the rest of the world would deal with them in a fair manner. America holding hands with them will only CONTINUE to increase the terror threats against America. I suppose you and American government officials don't mind this.
Now you are the one that is ignorant of history, Israel did not force itself on the region, jews have always lived there and it was the U.K that promised them the land it was a tiny and useless portion of land but the racist and islamic supremist arabs tried to slaughter them, that did not work out to good for the arabs israel won those early defensive wars and grew in size. Why the ? should they follow the arab leagues's plan??? when it's not beneficial to israel.
The rest of the world does not really give a ? , they just talk LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO. There is nothing we can do to decrease the hate THE ARAB world feels for us because it's a religious hate.
Your history is not all there, the many illegal immigrant Jews from Ukraine, Poland, etc who arrived in Palestinian land in the 40s started acting aggressive and the United Nations only made a recommendation on the land. Israeli settlers then took by force several cities filled with native Palestinians and removed them with violence, grenades, and worse. But I'm not gonna go into details on that because you should know this already.
And yes I know many of the jihadis out there use Islam as their motivation to take over land but its been America and its allies for the past few decades that have been killing and blowing civilians up there the most. The biggest protests in history were against the Iraq War, and America still committed its war crimes in Iraq and other places. If America behaved itself better, people worldwide wouldn't have so much beef with USA.
America as the world's most powerful nation does what it feels it needs to In ensuring the relative peace and order of the world. We cannot nor should we bow to world opinion. Because when anybody any nation gets a headache everyone turns to us for help.
Then they turn around and criticize us for taking action they are either unwilling or unable to take. Sometimes in taking these actions innocent people die That's ? up but that's too bad.
If we don't act even more would die
LOL at America ensuring relative peace and order in the world....
This ain't no Pax Romana, that's for ? sure.
It's better than what we would have without American influence and power -
kingblaze84 wrote: »
the problem with this theory is:kingblaze84 wrote: »Iran sponsors terror groups worldwide? Okay I guess, but America has done the same directly and indirectly, on a bigger level.
a. you have to reach for what you want to call terrorism because it's important to "out-do" Iranian terrorism.
b. saying "Israel has done terrorist stuff" doesn't mean Iran is somehow NOT going to do terrorist stuff. it's not one or the other.
Iran might do terrorist stuff, true. But in the end, if they do, the region needs to handle Iran for that, not America.
If Iran decided to say ? it and starts bullying it's neighbors the region cannot handle Iran Without outside help. It would be a total disaster. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »North Korea has nuclear technology too.....but they're not crazy enough to use it. Iran isn't either, assuming they are building a weapon.
north korea does not have the missile technology to attack anywhere too far they can attack south korea and maybe some parts of japan and that's it and despite being evil as ? they are still rational to a certain extent
Iran however might not be because it's a islamic theocracy.
Iran doesn't have the missile technology either, and their theocracy is not as bad as some other Muslim nations. Pakistan was caught red handed helping out Osama Bin Laden, and guess what?? Their military has nuclear capabilities too. You should be more worried about Pakistan and Saudi Arabia if anything, both of those nations have people and govt officials who are supporting Al-Qaeda and other Sunni terror groups on the low and blatantly. You know damn well the 9/11 report was blacked out because of the Saudis.
Iran is one of the FEW nations in the Middle East fighting the extremist Sunni groups who are spreading terror all over the region. And Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake when it comes to spreading and encouraging Sunni terror, worry about them instead of Iran. Israel has a better chance of doing something reckless and evil then Iran does.
I worry about all those ? but no matter what you say the spread of nuclear weapons capability can never be a good thing.
Iran is gonna build its nuclear capabilities no matter what, they have underground bunkers that realistically are too deep to be destroyed. With Isra-hell filled with nuclear weapons, it's only fair that Iran counters the terrorist, parasite nation that isn't too far from it. The world's biggest powers are NOT as scared as you are, that's very telling. If North Korea can be contained, so can Iran. You worry too much.
Iran cannot be contained this will eventually lead to disaster. Israel has the right to exist and survive and should defend itself at all costs this stupid decision from this weak president is putting future generations at risk. And will lead to a major ? war
We can only hope that the other branches of government shut this ? down and that this fool Obama doesn't do something else stupid
How will this deal lead to a major war? Who would start this war?
Iran or any of the enemies of israel
I doubt it, Israel is the one saying they still have military options on the table and won't be bound to the agreement, despite most of the world supporting the deal.
It would be dumb as ? to take any option off the table and the rest of the world does not have to live surrounded by people who want to commit another holocaust on their population.
Israel forced itself on the region and created many refugees in the process, of course people there are gonna be angry at them. You can't just invade a land, create tons of refugees and expect people in the region to magically like you, especially when they are still stealing land till this day. They also don't want to follow the Arab League's plan, so what sympathy are they really gonna get from most of the world. If Israel wants to have beef with the region all the time, then let them do it without American support.
You say America holds Israel back but if America stopped protecting it, the rest of the world would deal with them in a fair manner. America holding hands with them will only CONTINUE to increase the terror threats against America. I suppose you and American government officials don't mind this.
Now you are the one that is ignorant of history, Israel did not force itself on the region, jews have always lived there and it was the U.K that promised them the land it was a tiny and useless portion of land but the racist and islamic supremist arabs tried to slaughter them, that did not work out to good for the arabs israel won those early defensive wars and grew in size. Why the ? should they follow the arab leagues's plan??? when it's not beneficial to israel.
The rest of the world does not really give a ? , they just talk LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO. There is nothing we can do to decrease the hate THE ARAB world feels for us because it's a religious hate.
Your history is not all there, the many illegal immigrant Jews from Ukraine, Poland, etc who arrived in Palestinian land in the 40s started acting aggressive and the United Nations only made a recommendation on the land. Israeli settlers then took by force several cities filled with native Palestinians and removed them with violence, grenades, and worse. But I'm not gonna go into details on that because you should know this already.
And yes I know many of the jihadis out there use Islam as their motivation to take over land but its been America and its allies for the past few decades that have been killing and blowing civilians up there the most. The biggest protests in history were against the Iraq War, and America still committed its war crimes in Iraq and other places. If America behaved itself better, people worldwide wouldn't have so much beef with USA.
America as the world's most powerful nation does what it feels it needs to In ensuring the relative peace and order of the world. We cannot nor should we bow to world opinion. Because when anybody any nation gets a headache everyone turns to us for help.
Then they turn around and criticize us for taking action they are either unwilling or unable to take. Sometimes in taking these actions innocent people die That's ? up but that's too bad.
If we don't act even more would die
LOL at America ensuring relative peace and order in the world....
This ain't no Pax Romana, that's for ? sure.
It's better than what we would have without American influence and power
Well that depends who you ask, many nations around the world don't like American actions in many parts of the world. American troops are being told to be lowkey and not wear their uniform in public if possible, that's how many enemies America is creating worldwide. American influence and power are good in many ways, yes but America is actually seen as the world's biggest threat to peace according to polls. That doesn't happen by accident. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »
the problem with this theory is:kingblaze84 wrote: »Iran sponsors terror groups worldwide? Okay I guess, but America has done the same directly and indirectly, on a bigger level.
a. you have to reach for what you want to call terrorism because it's important to "out-do" Iranian terrorism.
b. saying "Israel has done terrorist stuff" doesn't mean Iran is somehow NOT going to do terrorist stuff. it's not one or the other.
Iran might do terrorist stuff, true. But in the end, if they do, the region needs to handle Iran for that, not America.
If Iran decided to say ? it and starts bullying it's neighbors the region cannot handle Iran Without outside help. It would be a total disaster.
Well then the region needs a better propaganda plan then. Because the world can't wait to do more business with Iran. -
uh... seems like that would depend on WHAT the terrorist stuff is?kingblaze84 wrote: »Iran might do terrorist stuff, true. But in the end, if they do, the region needs to handle Iran for that, not America.
still not sure why "America is the only country that cannot be involved in international affairs" makes sense. -
uh... seems like that would depend on WHAT the terrorist stuff is?kingblaze84 wrote: »Iran might do terrorist stuff, true. But in the end, if they do, the region needs to handle Iran for that, not America.
still not sure why "America is the only country that cannot be involved in international affairs" makes sense.
Well yeah it would depend on what Iran does.....
And I didn't say America has to be the only nation that can't be involved in world affairs. Of course America can but it can't continue its reputation of being a cowboy in the region. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »North Korea has nuclear technology too.....but they're not crazy enough to use it. Iran isn't either, assuming they are building a weapon.
north korea does not have the missile technology to attack anywhere too far they can attack south korea and maybe some parts of japan and that's it and despite being evil as ? they are still rational to a certain extent
Iran however might not be because it's a islamic theocracy.
Iran doesn't have the missile technology either, and their theocracy is not as bad as some other Muslim nations. Pakistan was caught red handed helping out Osama Bin Laden, and guess what?? Their military has nuclear capabilities too. You should be more worried about Pakistan and Saudi Arabia if anything, both of those nations have people and govt officials who are supporting Al-Qaeda and other Sunni terror groups on the low and blatantly. You know damn well the 9/11 report was blacked out because of the Saudis.
Iran is one of the FEW nations in the Middle East fighting the extremist Sunni groups who are spreading terror all over the region. And Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake when it comes to spreading and encouraging Sunni terror, worry about them instead of Iran. Israel has a better chance of doing something reckless and evil then Iran does.
I worry about all those ? but no matter what you say the spread of nuclear weapons capability can never be a good thing.
Iran is gonna build its nuclear capabilities no matter what, they have underground bunkers that realistically are too deep to be destroyed. With Isra-hell filled with nuclear weapons, it's only fair that Iran counters the terrorist, parasite nation that isn't too far from it. The world's biggest powers are NOT as scared as you are, that's very telling. If North Korea can be contained, so can Iran. You worry too much.
Iran cannot be contained this will eventually lead to disaster. Israel has the right to exist and survive and should defend itself at all costs this stupid decision from this weak president is putting future generations at risk. And will lead to a major ? war
We can only hope that the other branches of government shut this ? down and that this fool Obama doesn't do something else stupid
How will this deal lead to a major war? Who would start this war?
Iran or any of the enemies of israel
I doubt it, Israel is the one saying they still have military options on the table and won't be bound to the agreement, despite most of the world supporting the deal.
It would be dumb as ? to take any option off the table and the rest of the world does not have to live surrounded by people who want to commit another holocaust on their population.
Israel forced itself on the region and created many refugees in the process, of course people there are gonna be angry at them. You can't just invade a land, create tons of refugees and expect people in the region to magically like you, especially when they are still stealing land till this day. They also don't want to follow the Arab League's plan, so what sympathy are they really gonna get from most of the world. If Israel wants to have beef with the region all the time, then let them do it without American support.
You say America holds Israel back but if America stopped protecting it, the rest of the world would deal with them in a fair manner. America holding hands with them will only CONTINUE to increase the terror threats against America. I suppose you and American government officials don't mind this.
Now you are the one that is ignorant of history, Israel did not force itself on the region, jews have always lived there and it was the U.K that promised them the land it was a tiny and useless portion of land but the racist and islamic supremist arabs tried to slaughter them, that did not work out to good for the arabs israel won those early defensive wars and grew in size. Why the ? should they follow the arab leagues's plan??? when it's not beneficial to israel.
The rest of the world does not really give a ? , they just talk LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO. There is nothing we can do to decrease the hate THE ARAB world feels for us because it's a religious hate.
Your history is not all there, the many illegal immigrant Jews from Ukraine, Poland, etc who arrived in Palestinian land in the 40s started acting aggressive and the United Nations only made a recommendation on the land. Israeli settlers then took by force several cities filled with native Palestinians and removed them with violence, grenades, and worse. But I'm not gonna go into details on that because you should know this already.
And yes I know many of the jihadis out there use Islam as their motivation to take over land but its been America and its allies for the past few decades that have been killing and blowing civilians up there the most. The biggest protests in history were against the Iraq War, and America still committed its war crimes in Iraq and other places. If America behaved itself better, people worldwide wouldn't have so much beef with USA.
America as the world's most powerful nation does what it feels it needs to In ensuring the relative peace and order of the world. We cannot nor should we bow to world opinion. Because when anybody any nation gets a headache everyone turns to us for help.
Then they turn around and criticize us for taking action they are either unwilling or unable to take. Sometimes in taking these actions innocent people die That's ? up but that's too bad.
If we don't act even more would die
LOL at America ensuring relative peace and order in the world....
This ain't no Pax Romana, that's for ? sure.
It's better than what we would have without American influence and power
Well that depends who you ask, many nations around the world don't like American actions in many parts of the world. American troops are being told to be lowkey and not wear their uniform in public if possible, that's how many enemies America is creating worldwide. American influence and power are good in many ways, yes but America is actually seen as the world's biggest threat to peace according to polls. That doesn't happen by accident.
We are the most powerful nation in the world and we have to make decisions some people come out losers in those decisions. so of course many people are not going to like everything we do that does not mean we don't do it.
in other words we cannot please everybody -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »North Korea has nuclear technology too.....but they're not crazy enough to use it. Iran isn't either, assuming they are building a weapon.
north korea does not have the missile technology to attack anywhere too far they can attack south korea and maybe some parts of japan and that's it and despite being evil as ? they are still rational to a certain extent
Iran however might not be because it's a islamic theocracy.
Iran doesn't have the missile technology either, and their theocracy is not as bad as some other Muslim nations. Pakistan was caught red handed helping out Osama Bin Laden, and guess what?? Their military has nuclear capabilities too. You should be more worried about Pakistan and Saudi Arabia if anything, both of those nations have people and govt officials who are supporting Al-Qaeda and other Sunni terror groups on the low and blatantly. You know damn well the 9/11 report was blacked out because of the Saudis.
Iran is one of the FEW nations in the Middle East fighting the extremist Sunni groups who are spreading terror all over the region. And Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake when it comes to spreading and encouraging Sunni terror, worry about them instead of Iran. Israel has a better chance of doing something reckless and evil then Iran does.
I worry about all those ? but no matter what you say the spread of nuclear weapons capability can never be a good thing.
Iran is gonna build its nuclear capabilities no matter what, they have underground bunkers that realistically are too deep to be destroyed. With Isra-hell filled with nuclear weapons, it's only fair that Iran counters the terrorist, parasite nation that isn't too far from it. The world's biggest powers are NOT as scared as you are, that's very telling. If North Korea can be contained, so can Iran. You worry too much.
Iran cannot be contained this will eventually lead to disaster. Israel has the right to exist and survive and should defend itself at all costs this stupid decision from this weak president is putting future generations at risk. And will lead to a major ? war
We can only hope that the other branches of government shut this ? down and that this fool Obama doesn't do something else stupid
How will this deal lead to a major war? Who would start this war?
Iran or any of the enemies of israel
I doubt it, Israel is the one saying they still have military options on the table and won't be bound to the agreement, despite most of the world supporting the deal.
It would be dumb as ? to take any option off the table and the rest of the world does not have to live surrounded by people who want to commit another holocaust on their population.
Israel forced itself on the region and created many refugees in the process, of course people there are gonna be angry at them. You can't just invade a land, create tons of refugees and expect people in the region to magically like you, especially when they are still stealing land till this day. They also don't want to follow the Arab League's plan, so what sympathy are they really gonna get from most of the world. If Israel wants to have beef with the region all the time, then let them do it without American support.
You say America holds Israel back but if America stopped protecting it, the rest of the world would deal with them in a fair manner. America holding hands with them will only CONTINUE to increase the terror threats against America. I suppose you and American government officials don't mind this.
Now you are the one that is ignorant of history, Israel did not force itself on the region, jews have always lived there and it was the U.K that promised them the land it was a tiny and useless portion of land but the racist and islamic supremist arabs tried to slaughter them, that did not work out to good for the arabs israel won those early defensive wars and grew in size. Why the ? should they follow the arab leagues's plan??? when it's not beneficial to israel.
The rest of the world does not really give a ? , they just talk LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO. There is nothing we can do to decrease the hate THE ARAB world feels for us because it's a religious hate.
Your history is not all there, the many illegal immigrant Jews from Ukraine, Poland, etc who arrived in Palestinian land in the 40s started acting aggressive and the United Nations only made a recommendation on the land. Israeli settlers then took by force several cities filled with native Palestinians and removed them with violence, grenades, and worse. But I'm not gonna go into details on that because you should know this already.
And yes I know many of the jihadis out there use Islam as their motivation to take over land but its been America and its allies for the past few decades that have been killing and blowing civilians up there the most. The biggest protests in history were against the Iraq War, and America still committed its war crimes in Iraq and other places. If America behaved itself better, people worldwide wouldn't have so much beef with USA.
America as the world's most powerful nation does what it feels it needs to In ensuring the relative peace and order of the world. We cannot nor should we bow to world opinion. Because when anybody any nation gets a headache everyone turns to us for help.
Then they turn around and criticize us for taking action they are either unwilling or unable to take. Sometimes in taking these actions innocent people die That's ? up but that's too bad.
If we don't act even more would die
LOL at America ensuring relative peace and order in the world....
This ain't no Pax Romana, that's for ? sure.
It's better than what we would have without American influence and power
Well that depends who you ask, many nations around the world don't like American actions in many parts of the world. American troops are being told to be lowkey and not wear their uniform in public if possible, that's how many enemies America is creating worldwide. American influence and power are good in many ways, yes but America is actually seen as the world's biggest threat to peace according to polls. That doesn't happen by accident.
We are the most powerful nation in the world and we have to make decisions some people come out losers in those decisions. so of course many people are not going to like everything we do that does not mean we don't do it.
in other words we cannot please everybody
Yeah, creating millions of refugees, supporting terrorist regimes, and burning many civilians alive around the world has a funny way of creating enemies. -
The United Nations endorsed the Iran deal this morning.....I hope the warmongers in DC and Israel see how much the world supports it, it passed unanimously.....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/un-iran-nuclear-deal_55acf590e4b065dfe89eab5d?
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The U.N. Security Council has unanimously endorsed the landmark nuclear deal between Iran and six world powers.
The resolution, co-sponsored by all 15 council members and adopted Monday morning, also authorizes a series of measures leading to the end of U.N. sanctions that have hurt Iran's economy.
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to be entirely fair, the way the Gulf states are reacting, people obviously think Iran's a cowboy in the region in their own way.kingblaze84 wrote: »And I didn't say America has to be the only nation that can't be involved in world affairs. Of course America can but it can't continue its reputation of being a cowboy in the region.
