2pac & The Notorious B.I.G.

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Antwuan89
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edited October 2015 in The Reason
Ok here me out I do not wanna make this a Tupac vs Biggie thread they are both Great. But what I wanna know is in your opinion what do you think Tupac & Biggie does best at? What would you say are their strengths & weaknesses as an Artist/MC? What do you think they do well that separates them from other Artists/MC's?

I Just Want To Know Your Opinion.
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  • RickyRich
    RickyRich Members Posts: 13,062 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    feelings thats going to come from this
  • 5 Grand
    5 Grand Members Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Big had the GOAT flow and the punchlines, he made you say, "oh ? ".

    Pac put a lot of emotion into what he rapped about, but his lyrics were kinda basic, or simple.
  • Preach2Teach
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  • DR. JEK
    DR. JEK Members Posts: 5,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Tupac had GOAT subject matter to make you feel him more.

    Big was very technical when it comes to Rhyme Schemes and flow.



    And Big was very good at hiding while Pac was kickin his ball over the fence until the coast was clear.....Literally, when the other cat got shot out the game on the opposite coast.
  • Dave2one6
    Dave2one6 Members Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    wait, wait, wait. ? . I should have made a thread of this. But Pac has spoke from the grave. yeah. Big too, but i cant find what he said. But i know where the pac reading is at. a Black medium lady read him. yall aint gotta believe but, ? real. Basically, both guys said they wished they did more for us. Here is Pac.

    Trust me, its worth a listen. I will be nice and put the exact moment, but listen to the whole thing one day.

    1996-Bobby Hemmitt - What If ? Was The Devil (4:00).......(Really really start @ 4:05)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvo7wDF8o_M
  • 5th Letter
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    Big was a complete emcee, I don't think he had a weakness, lyrical, dope flow, distinctive voice, diverse subject matter, charisma and show man.

    Tupac had the energy and passion and rapped with a poetic style, he wasn't a technical emcee but he got his point across regardless.
  • Dave2one6
    Dave2one6 Members Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    5th Letter wrote: »
    Big was as complete emcee, I don't think he had a weakness, lyrical, dope flow, distinctive voice, diverse subject matter, charisma and show man.

    Tupac had the energy and passion and rapped with a poetic style, he wasn't a technical emcee but he got his point across regardless.

    what? not technical as in lyrical? Pac was lyrical.

    "Ive been really wantin babies, so i can see a part of me that wasnt always shady, dont trust my lady,
    cuz she's a product of the poison, im hearin noises, i think she ? all my boys, cant take no more..."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5-i-UDKAsE
  • 5th Letter
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    Dave2one6 wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    Big was as complete emcee, I don't think he had a weakness, lyrical, dope flow, distinctive voice, diverse subject matter, charisma and show man.

    Tupac had the energy and passion and rapped with a poetic style, he wasn't a technical emcee but he got his point across regardless.

    what? not technical as in lyrical? Pac was lyrical.

    "Ive been really wantin babies, so i can see a part of me that wasnt always shady, dont trust my lady,
    cuz she's a product of the poison, im hearin noises, i think she ? all my boys, cant take no more..."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5-i-UDKAsE

    By the hip hop definition Pac wasn't lyrical. Pac was dope but he wasn't a lyricist compared to the likes of say Lupe or Canabis etc.
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    One dude is the biggest ? in rap history


    And one dude is beyond music.
  • Dave2one6
    Dave2one6 Members Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    sho caught beef with you know who....

    If Fay have twins she probably have.....

    Problems with my wife dont discuss em......

    Analyze, yo size and my size...
  • Idiopathic Joker
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  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Dave2one6 wrote: »
    ran from beef with you know who....

    If Fay have twins she probably have.....

    Problems with my wife dont discuss em......

    Analyze, yo size and my size...

    Fixed
  • 700
    700 Members Posts: 14,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Lol

    This ? bout get serious

  • Tsotsi Cape Town
    Tsotsi Cape Town Members Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Pac weakness, beat selection
  • 5th Letter
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    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Dave2one6 wrote: »
    ran from beef with you know who....

    If Fay have twins she probably have.....

    Problems with my wife dont discuss em......

    Analyze, yo size and my size...

    Fixed
    Explain.
  • Dave2one6
    Dave2one6 Members Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    5th Letter wrote: »
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Dave2one6 wrote: »
    ran from beef with you know who....

    If Fay have twins she probably have.....

    Problems with my wife dont discuss em......

    Analyze, yo size and my size...

    Fixed
    Explain.

    now u know i didnt say that. youre asking the wrong brother, brotha.
  • 5th Letter
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    Dave2one6 wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Dave2one6 wrote: »
    ran from beef with you know who....

    If Fay have twins she probably have.....

    Problems with my wife dont discuss em......

    Analyze, yo size and my size...

    Fixed
    Explain.

    now u know i didnt say that. youre asking the wrong brother, brotha.

    Not you I'm asking Shizlansky.
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    5th Letter wrote: »
    Dave2one6 wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Dave2one6 wrote: »
    ran from beef with you know who....

    If Fay have twins she probably have.....

    Problems with my wife dont discuss em......

    Analyze, yo size and my size...

    Fixed
    Explain.

    now u know i didnt say that. youre asking the wrong brother, brotha.

    Not you I'm asking Shizlansky.

    He ducked Pac.

    Simple


    You can't let that ? slide after Hit Em Up
  • 5th Letter
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    Shizlansky wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    Dave2one6 wrote: »
    5th Letter wrote: »
    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Dave2one6 wrote: »
    ran from beef with you know who....

    If Fay have twins she probably have.....

    Problems with my wife dont discuss em......

    Analyze, yo size and my size...

    Fixed
    Explain.

    now u know i didnt say that. youre asking the wrong brother, brotha.

    Not you I'm asking Shizlansky.

    He ducked Pac.

    Simple


    You can't let that ? slide after Hit Em Up

    Pac died before he could respond. That's like if Jay Z died before Nas could've responded back with Ether.
  • Shizlansky
    Shizlansky Members Posts: 35,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Excuses.


    Dude was been all cordial in interviews too.

    Pac was screaming ? all them before he drop that Diss.

    Everybody else dropped a diss except him.
  • Dave2one6
    Dave2one6 Members Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Big had from December of 95, to September of 96 to put together some heat instead of sneak/sly dissing on the low.

  • _Goldie_
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    Will never understand when ? on here say "Pac wasn't lyrical or technical"
  • 5th Letter
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    Shizlansky wrote: »
    Excuses.


    Dude was been all cordial in interviews too.

    Pac was screaming ? all them before he drop that Diss.

    Everybody else dropped a diss except him.
    Mobb Deep dropped their diss when their album was about to come out. Kim dissed him when she was about to drop her album. Back then people don't just randomly drop disses like they do today.
    Dave2one6 wrote: »
    Big had from December of 95, to September of 96 to put together some heat instead of sneak/sly dissing on the low.
    Pac dropped his album and used the beef to help promote the record. Big didn't have anything to promote so why engage him? Had Pac lived Big would've responded back on LAD like he fully intended to, instead he had to alter a lot of stuff in light of Pac's passing.
  • mr.october
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    To give more perspective to what @5th Letter said hit em up dropped summer of 96 n he died b4 the season was over really. I believe big was in a car accident & hospitalized in the same summer/spring season so it's not likely that he was able to respond quick besides the fact that disses weren't immediately addressed in those days. Add the fact that originally LAD was to drop Halloween 96 b4 the accident so at least imo he would've answered by then especially if pac didn't pass.


    I think he did the right thing n didn't answer in the timing of all the actual events cuz pac died so quick. It would've served big no purpose to diss him n not have a hype or album behind it cuz the east/west beef was high profile n would've added sales to his album.
  • mr.october
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    To answer the o/p tho I don't think either were weak in anything i don't like all the beats pac spit on but he had flow n I don't subscribe to that lyrical critique he had bars they're styles were so different to me n it's only cuz the beef n their deaths we compare them. N big was great at making simple words n lines seem more difficult cuz his flow n rhyme schemes n wordplay were more "complex" compared to pac but his subject matter didn't really stray past the streets aside a few songs