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If they're not from Latin American countries Christopher Columbus' atrocities aren't pertinent to them
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If they're not from Latin American countries Christopher Columbus' atrocities aren't pertinent to them
Well he started the ball rolling and set the precedent for the poor treatment of the Natives. -
If they're not from Latin American countries Christopher Columbus' atrocities aren't pertinent to them
^^^what about Indian on indian crime-like post -
If they're not from Latin American countries Christopher Columbus' atrocities aren't pertinent to them
Columbus landed first and decimated the native population of the Bahamas (? ,enslaved, genocide and torture)....Bahamas is not a Latin America country -
Indians are the silent oppressed sans the small few that capitalized off the casino racket.
Most reservations look like third world countries. -
Columbus didn't even settle there the British did worse on that island. The people in the video are not Bahamian either. -
Except I'm not switching blame. I'm just saying his warpath isn't the reason they're oppressed. He's just a name they can access. It's the French and English that ? over the indigenous groups in the US and Canada. -
Columbus didn't even settle there the British did worse on that island. The people in the video are not Bahamian either.
You stated that non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities.... You're wrong
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/742708
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Columbus didn't even settle there the British did worse on that island. The people in the video are not Bahamian either.
You stated that non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities.... You're wrong
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/742708
I never stated "non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities"
I said "If they're not from Latin American countries Christopher Columbus' atrocities aren't pertinent to them". -
Will Munny wrote: »at 1:49 @A Talented One makes an appearance.
when you got white people calling you out for your ? ? smh -
Ghostdenithegawd wrote: »Will Munny wrote: »at 1:49 @A Talented One makes an appearance.
when you got white people calling you out for your ? ? smh
Hahaha it was more the zesty nature of the man in the video that I thought beared resemblance. -
If they're not from Latin American countries Christopher Columbus' atrocities aren't pertinent to them
If ur lineage doesn’t descend from west africa the slave trade, white supremacy and racism isnt pertinent to you
KYS
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Except I'm not switching blame. I'm just saying his warpath isn't the reason they're oppressed. He's just a name they can access. It's the French and English that ? over the indigenous groups in the US and Canada.
The Dutch were the original colonizers of nyc, the Spanish were the original colonizers of Fl, Tx and Ca. The Russians were the original colonizers of Ak.
In other words you don't know wtf you are talking about. -
Except I'm not switching blame. I'm just saying his warpath isn't the reason they're oppressed. He's just a name they can access. It's the French and English that ? over the indigenous groups in the US and Canada.
The Dutch were the original colonizers of nyc, the Spanish were the original colonizers of Fl, Tx and Ca. The Russians were the original colonizers of Ak.
In other words you don't know wtf you are talking about.
None of them in the video are spics so that's still irrelevant to them.
The Dutch and Russians did far less than what the French and English did.
False analogy fallacy. It would be like an Arab dude complaining about how the transatlantic slave trade oppressed him.
You really butt hurt over this -
Columbus didn't even settle there the British did worse on that island. The people in the video are not Bahamian either.
You stated that non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities.... You're wrong
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/742708
I never stated "non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities"
I said "If they're not from Latin American countries Christopher Columbus' atrocities aren't pertinent to them".
? explain how that's different -
Columbus didn't even settle there the British did worse on that island. The people in the video are not Bahamian either.
You stated that non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities.... You're wrong
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/742708
I never stated "non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities"
I said "If they're not from Latin American countries Christopher Columbus' atrocities aren't pertinent to them".
? explain how that's different
The subjects are not the same. They're two different sentences, with the former discussing countries and the latter referring to people.
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Columbus didn't even settle there the British did worse on that island. The people in the video are not Bahamian either.
You stated that non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities.... You're wrong
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/742708
I never stated "non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities"
I said "If they're not from Latin American countries Christopher Columbus' atrocities aren't pertinent to them".
? explain how that's different
The subjects are not the same. They're two different sentences, with the former discussing countries and the latter referring to people.
So his atrocities didn't effect both the people and the island of the Bahamas?
Explain how... -
Columbus didn't even settle there the British did worse on that island. The people in the video are not Bahamian either.
You stated that non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities.... You're wrong
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/742708
I never stated "non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities"
I said "If they're not from Latin American countries Christopher Columbus' atrocities aren't pertinent to them".
? explain how that's different
The subjects are not the same. They're two different sentences, with the former discussing countries and the latter referring to people.
So his atrocities didn't effect both the people and the island of the Bahamas?
Explain how...
Because finding land that was later colonized by other countries does not equate to enslaving the people there -
Columbus didn't even settle there the British did worse on that island. The people in the video are not Bahamian either.
You stated that non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities.... You're wrong
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/742708
I never stated "non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities"
I said "If they're not from Latin American countries Christopher Columbus' atrocities aren't pertinent to them".
? explain how that's different
The subjects are not the same. They're two different sentences, with the former discussing countries and the latter referring to people.
So his atrocities didn't effect both the people and the island of the Bahamas?
Explain how...
Because finding land that was later colonized by other countries does not equate to enslaving the people thereOn April 17, 1492, before his first voyage to the Americas, Columbus negotiated a business contract with King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain, entitling him to 10% of all profits. In this contract, the Spanish sovereigns agreed:
"that of all and every kind of merchandise, whether pearls, precious stones, gold, silver, spices, and other objects and merchandise whatsoever, of whatever kind, name and sort, which may be bought, bartered, discovered, acquired and obtained within the limits of the said Admiralty, Your Highnesses grant from now henceforth to the said Don Cristóbal [Christopher Columbus] ... the tenth part of the whole, after deducting all the expenses which may be incurred therein." [1]
After his fourth and final voyage to the Americas, Columbus summed up his feelings about gold in a July 7, 1503, letter to Ferdinand and Isabella: "Gold is most excellent; gold is treasure, and he who possesses it does all he wishes to in this world." [2]
After Turning Out the Jews
Beyond profits, Columbus sought to convert native people to Catholicism. In the prologue to his journal of the first voyage, Columbus wrote to Ferdinand and Isabella:
"YOUR HIGHNESSES, as Catholic Christians and Princes who love the holy Christian faith, and the propagation of it, and who are enemies to the sect of Mahoma [Islam] and to all idolatries and heresies, resolved to send me, Cristóbal Colon, to the said parts of India to see the said princes ... with a view that they might be converted to our holy faith .... Thus, after having turned out all the Jews from all your kingdoms and lordships ... your Highnesses gave orders to me that with a sufficient fleet I should go to the said parts of India .... I shall forget sleep, and shall work at the business of navigation, so that the service is performed." [3]
The Enslavement of Native People
On October 12, 1492 (the first day he encountered the native people of the Americas), Columbus wrote in his journal: "They should be good servants .... I, our Lord being pleased, will take hence, at the time of my departure, six natives for your Highnesses." These captives were later paraded through the streets of Barcelona and Seville when Columbus returned to Spain. [4]
From his very first contact with native people, Columbus had their ? in mind. For example, on October 14, 1492, Columbus wrote in his journal, "with fifty men they can all be subjugated and made to do what is required of them." [5] These were not mere words: after his second voyage, Columbus sent back a consignment of natives to be sold as slaves. [6]
Yet in an April, 1493, letter to Luis de Santangel (a patron who helped fund the first voyage), Columbus made clear that the people he encountered had done nothing to deserve ill treatment. According to Columbus:
"they are artless and generous with what they have, to such a degree as no one would believe but him who had seen it. Of anything they have, if it be asked for, they never say no, but do rather invite the person to accept it, and show as much lovingness as though they would give their hearts." [7]
Nonetheless, later in the letter Columbus went on to say:
"their Highnesses may see that I shall give them as much gold as they need .... and slaves as many as they shall order to be shipped." [8]
Pope Gives the Americas to Spain
Following Columbus' discovery, Pope Alexander VI issued a May 4, 1493, papal bull granting official ownership of the New World to Ferdinand and Isabella. To these monarchs, the Pope declared:
"We of our own motion, and not at your solicitation, do give, concede, and assign for ever to you and your successors, all the islands, and main lands, discovered; and which may hereafter, be discovered, towards the west and south; whether they be situated towards India, or towards any other part whatsoever, and give you absolute power in them." [9]
This decree did not go unchallenged. Francis I of France, for example, later quipped: "The sun shines on me as well as on others. I should be very happy to see the clause in Adam's will which excluded me from my share when the world was being divided." [10]
Nonetheless, the Pope's declaration ultimately had dire consequences for native inhabitants of the Americas. Beginning in 1514 Spanish conquerors adopted "the Requirement," an ultimatum in which Indians were forced to accept "the Church as the Ruler and Superior of the whole world" or face persecution. If Indians did not immediately comply, the Requirement warned them:
"We shall take you and your wives and your children, and shall make slaves of them, and as such shall sell and dispose of them as their Highnesses may command; and we shall take away your goods, and shall do all the harm and damage that we can." [11]
Often the Requirement was read to Indians without translation, or in some cases even from ships before crew members landed to ? Indians and take slaves. [12]
http://www.understandingprejudice.org/nativeiq/columbus.htm -
Columbus didn't even settle there the British did worse on that island. The people in the video are not Bahamian either.
You stated that non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities.... You're wrong
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/742708
I never stated "non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities"
I said "If they're not from Latin American countries Christopher Columbus' atrocities aren't pertinent to them".
? explain how that's different
The subjects are not the same. They're two different sentences, with the former discussing countries and the latter referring to people.
So his atrocities didn't effect both the people and the island of the Bahamas?
Explain how...
Because finding land that was later colonized by other countries does not equate to enslaving the people there
There was also thisThese Natives are so nice, we’d be crazy not to enslave them! This excerpt from Columbus’ diary describes the Arawak people who greeted him and his men:
They … brought us parrots and ? of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks’ bells. They willingly traded everything they owned… . They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features…. They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane… . They would make fine servants…. With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.
3. I was right about how easy that whole subjugation thing would be! In another letter to King Ferdinand, Columbus wrote
As soon as I arrived in the Indies, in the first island which I found, I took some of the natives by force, in order that they might learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these parts. And so it was that they soon understood us, and we them, either by speech or by signs, and they have been very serviceable.
4. ? ! Columbus was such a mensch, he would let his men do whatever they wanted with the natives they captured. One of his men and a childhood friend of Columbus, Michele da Cuneo, describes in a letter how he ? a native woman:
While I was in the boat, I captured a very beautiful Carib woman, whom the said Lord Admiral gave to me. When I had taken her to my cabin she was naked—as was their custom. I was filled with a desire to take my pleasure with her and attempted to satisfy my desire. She was unwilling, and so treated me with her nails that I wished I had never begun. But—to cut a long story short—I then took a piece of rope and whipped her soundly, and she let forth such incredible screams that you would not have believed your ears. Eventually we came to such terms, I assure you, that you would have thought that she had been brought up in a school for ? .
5. Not so Christian. But the anecdote captured above was not some isolated incident of cruelty. Ironically, but in no way surprisingly, the Spanish who came to save the “heathens” from their idolatry, weren’t very Christ-like in their behavior. In his book The Devastation of the Indies. Bartolome de las Casas, the priest who accompanied Columbus on his conquest of Cuba, detailed the abuse and murder of the native population:
Endless testimonies . .. prove the mild and pacific temperament of the natives…. But our work was to exasperate, ravage, ? , mangle and destroy…
And the Christians, with their horses and swords and pikes began to carry out massacres and strange cruelties against them. They attacked the towns and spared neither the children nor the aged nor pregnant women nor women in childbed, not only stabbing them and dismembering them but cutting them to pieces as if dealing with sheep in the slaughter house. They laid bets as to who, with one stroke of the sword, could split a man in two or could cut off his head or spill out his entrails with a single stroke of the pike. They took infants from their mothers’ ? , snatching them by the legs and pitching them head first against the crags or snatched them by the arms and threw them into the rivers, roaring with laughter and saying as the babies fell into the water, “Boil there, you offspring of the devil!” Other infants they put to the sword along with their mothers and anyone else who happened to be nearby. They made some low wide gallows on which the hanged victim’s feet almost touched the ground, stringing up their victims in lots of thirteen, in memory of Our Redeemer and His twelve Apostles, then set burning wood at their feet and thus burned them alive. To others they attached straw or wrapped their whole bodies in straw and set them afire. With still others, all those they wanted to capture alive, they cut off their hands and hung them round the victim’s neck, saying, “Go now, carry the message,” meaning, Take the news to the Indians who have fled to the mountains. They usually dealt with the chieftains and nobles in the following way: they made a grid of rods which they placed on forked sticks, then lashed the victims to the grid and lighted a smoldering fire underneath, so that little by little, as those captives screamed in despair and torment, their souls would leave them….
http://www.rawstory.com/2014/10/five-scary-christopher-columbus-quotes-that-let-you-celebrate-the-holiday-the-right-way/ -
Columbus didn't even settle there the British did worse on that island. The people in the video are not Bahamian either.
You stated that non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities.... You're wrong
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/742708
I never stated "non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities"
I said "If they're not from Latin American countries Christopher Columbus' atrocities aren't pertinent to them".
? explain how that's different
The subjects are not the same. They're two different sentences, with the former discussing countries and the latter referring to people.
So his atrocities didn't effect both the people and the island of the Bahamas?
Explain how...
Because finding land that was later colonized by other countries does not equate to enslaving the people there
They enslaved the people of the Bahamas to dig for sugar -
That video could've ended w/ the first lady calling him "evil"..."pure evil"......
Some of them ladies was looking right. Sadly, most of this type of filth and evilness still prevails today too. This morning, I was just looked up this video I remembered years ago about how Bush's granddad was the one who possibly dug up and stole Geronimo's skull and bones. Now why would that NOT surprise me if that was true..... -
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Columbus didn't even settle there the British did worse on that island. The people in the video are not Bahamian either.
You stated that non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities.... You're wrong
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/742708
I never stated "non Latin countries were not pertinent to his atrocities"
I said "If they're not from Latin American countries Christopher Columbus' atrocities aren't pertinent to them".
? explain how that's different
The subjects are not the same. They're two different sentences, with the former discussing countries and the latter referring to people.
So his atrocities didn't effect both the people and the island of the Bahamas?
Explain how...
Because finding land that was later colonized by other countries does not equate to enslaving the people there
There was also thisThese Natives are so nice, we’d be crazy not to enslave them! This excerpt from Columbus’ diary describes the Arawak people who greeted him and his men:
They … brought us parrots and ? of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks’ bells. They willingly traded everything they owned… . They were well-built, with good bodies and handsome features…. They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword, they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane… . They would make fine servants…. With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.
3. I was right about how easy that whole subjugation thing would be! In another letter to King Ferdinand, Columbus wrote
As soon as I arrived in the Indies, in the first island which I found, I took some of the natives by force, in order that they might learn and might give me information of whatever there is in these parts. And so it was that they soon understood us, and we them, either by speech or by signs, and they have been very serviceable.
4. ? ! Columbus was such a mensch, he would let his men do whatever they wanted with the natives they captured. One of his men and a childhood friend of Columbus, Michele da Cuneo, describes in a letter how he ? a native woman:
While I was in the boat, I captured a very beautiful Carib woman, whom the said Lord Admiral gave to me. When I had taken her to my cabin she was naked—as was their custom. I was filled with a desire to take my pleasure with her and attempted to satisfy my desire. She was unwilling, and so treated me with her nails that I wished I had never begun. But—to cut a long story short—I then took a piece of rope and whipped her soundly, and she let forth such incredible screams that you would not have believed your ears. Eventually we came to such terms, I assure you, that you would have thought that she had been brought up in a school for ? .
5. Not so Christian. But the anecdote captured above was not some isolated incident of cruelty. Ironically, but in no way surprisingly, the Spanish who came to save the “heathens” from their idolatry, weren’t very Christ-like in their behavior. In his book The Devastation of the Indies. Bartolome de las Casas, the priest who accompanied Columbus on his conquest of Cuba, detailed the abuse and murder of the native population:
Endless testimonies . .. prove the mild and pacific temperament of the natives…. But our work was to exasperate, ravage, ? , mangle and destroy…
And the Christians, with their horses and swords and pikes began to carry out massacres and strange cruelties against them. They attacked the towns and spared neither the children nor the aged nor pregnant women nor women in childbed, not only stabbing them and dismembering them but cutting them to pieces as if dealing with sheep in the slaughter house. They laid bets as to who, with one stroke of the sword, could split a man in two or could cut off his head or spill out his entrails with a single stroke of the pike. They took infants from their mothers’ ? , snatching them by the legs and pitching them head first against the crags or snatched them by the arms and threw them into the rivers, roaring with laughter and saying as the babies fell into the water, “Boil there, you offspring of the devil!” Other infants they put to the sword along with their mothers and anyone else who happened to be nearby. They made some low wide gallows on which the hanged victim’s feet almost touched the ground, stringing up their victims in lots of thirteen, in memory of Our Redeemer and His twelve Apostles, then set burning wood at their feet and thus burned them alive. To others they attached straw or wrapped their whole bodies in straw and set them afire. With still others, all those they wanted to capture alive, they cut off their hands and hung them round the victim’s neck, saying, “Go now, carry the message,” meaning, Take the news to the Indians who have fled to the mountains. They usually dealt with the chieftains and nobles in the following way: they made a grid of rods which they placed on forked sticks, then lashed the victims to the grid and lighted a smoldering fire underneath, so that little by little, as those captives screamed in despair and torment, their souls would leave them….
http://www.rawstory.com/2014/10/five-scary-christopher-columbus-quotes-that-let-you-celebrate-the-holiday-the-right-way/
Except the people in the video are not Taino, Arawak, or Lucayan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGc34FeFqH0