To those who believe in a kind and merciful ? ....why is the world so hostile to life?
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I guess it all boils down to personal opinion for you.
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I guess it all boils down to personal opinion for you.
nah i boils down to what the bible says in it's entirety -
his omnibenevolence is not irrelevant to the argument it is central to everything in creation and to this thread, have you looked at the thread title???
This argument >>>And if ? is omniscient,
He knew every detail of every event and every thing in the universe
Before he created it. If ? is omnipotent,
He had the ability to change anything to his liking before
He created the universe.
That means, if ? created the universe, he created
A universe that he wanted to create. That means that everything that
Ever happened is ? 's will and no one else's.
? wanted to create a universe with multiple freewill creatures therefore he allows his universe to change and allows us to reject him -
opinion
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Open theism is relatively new and based on
personal interpretation of scripture, like most
denominations, sects, and Biblical philosophies.
As I said, I guess it all boils down to personal opinion for you. -
his omnibenevolence is not irrelevant to the argument it is central to everything in creation and to this thread, have you looked at the thread title???
This argument >>>And if ? is omniscient,
He knew every detail of every event and every thing in the universe
Before he created it. If ? is omnipotent,
He had the ability to change anything to his liking before
He created the universe.
That means, if ? created the universe, he created
A universe that he wanted to create. That means that everything that
Ever happened is ? 's will and no one else's.
? wanted to create a universe with multiple freewill creatures therefore he allows his universe to change and allows us to reject him
if you say so -
opinion
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Open theism is relatively new and based on
personal interpretation of scripture, like most
denominations, sects, and Biblical philosophies.
As I said, I guess it all boils down to personal opinion for you.
If that's what you want to believe then that's on you HOWEVER the ideas behind open theism are not really new -
his omnibenevolence is not irrelevant to the argument it is central to everything in creation and to this thread, have you looked at the thread title???
This argument >>>And if ? is omniscient,
He knew every detail of every event and every thing in the universe
Before he created it. If ? is omnipotent,
He had the ability to change anything to his liking before
He created the universe.
That means, if ? created the universe, he created
A universe that he wanted to create. That means that everything that
Ever happened is ? 's will and no one else's.
? wanted to create a universe with multiple freewill creatures therefore he allows his universe to change and allows us to reject him
if you say so
the bible says so -
opinion
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Open theism is relatively new and based on
personal interpretation of scripture, like most
denominations, sects, and Biblical philosophies.
As I said, I guess it all boils down to personal opinion for you.
If that's what you want to believe then that's on you HOWEVER the ideas behind open theism are not really newOpen theism is relatively new -
his omnibenevolence is not irrelevant to the argument it is central to everything in creation and to this thread, have you looked at the thread title???
This argument >>>And if ? is omniscient,
He knew every detail of every event and every thing in the universe
Before he created it. If ? is omnipotent,
He had the ability to change anything to his liking before
He created the universe.
That means, if ? created the universe, he created
A universe that he wanted to create. That means that everything that
Ever happened is ? 's will and no one else's.
? wanted to create a universe with multiple freewill creatures therefore he allows his universe to change and allows us to reject him
if you say so
the bible says so
I'm sure
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opinion
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
Open theism is relatively new and based on
personal interpretation of scripture, like most
denominations, sects, and Biblical philosophies.
As I said, I guess it all boils down to personal opinion for you.
If that's what you want to believe then that's on you HOWEVER the ideas behind open theism are not really newOpen theism is relatively new
A rose by any other name is still a rose people in the past not calling sections of there theology open theism does not mean the ideas of open theism are new -
It really doesn't matter. It's your opinion
And I disagree with it. I've explained my view
As best I can but I'm failing to see
The logic in what you're saying. Perhaps it's my fault;
Maybe it's yours. Who knows. -
It really doesn't matter. It's your opinion
And I disagree with it. I've explained my view
As best I can but I'm failing to see
The logic in what you're saying. Perhaps it's my fault;
Maybe it's yours. Who knows.
i don't see the logic is your objection i really don't see why what i have said is so hard for you to understand and if what i have said is fact less opinion then everything you have said about the topics we have talked about is also fact less opinion. -
We're arguing about things that we have no factual evidence for,
Yes. But I'm basing my arguments on what's logical, even though
The evidence is non-existent. For instance,
We have no evidence of ? 's existence. Yet I'm assuming he does exist
For argument's sake. And if he does exist, it's logical that we have no free will.
The fact that evil exists would be illogical assuming ? also exists. -
We're arguing about things that we have no factual evidence for,
Yes. But I'm basing my arguments on what's logical, even though
The evidence is non-existent. For instance,
We have no evidence of ? 's existence. Yet I'm assuming he does exist
For argument's sake. And if he does exist, it's logical that we have no free will.
The fact that evil exists would be illogical assuming ? also exists.
You cannot base your argument on what's logical without first defining the characteristics of what we are talking about. If you assume the ? of the bible exists then you have to account for all his attributes as explained by the bible and not just cherry pick the ones you want. You cannot focus on omni-potenence and omni-science and leave out omni-benevolence, which is what you have tried to do.
you would also have to define freewill in relation to the ? of the bible you have failed to do this -
This debate is getting boring.
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I'll give you a GOAT for your participation
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Now, as for me......
I am going to go be creative. -
Now, as for me......
I am going to go be creative.
While you are off being creative try creating a better way to debate. -
his omnibenevolence is not irrelevant to the argument it is central to everything in creation and to this thread, have you looked at the thread title???
This argument >>>And if ? is omniscient,
He knew every detail of every event and every thing in the universe
Before he created it. If ? is omnipotent,
He had the ability to change anything to his liking before
He created the universe.
That means, if ? created the universe, he created
A universe that he wanted to create. That means that everything that
Ever happened is ? 's will and no one else's.
? wanted to create a universe with multiple freewill creatures therefore he allows his universe to change and allows us to reject him
if you say so
the bible says so
That's very convincing. -
This debate is getting boring.
Don't worry, we all saw the dodging and weaving he did. Not surprising considering where his viewpoint comes from. -
In Africa, many believe the gods Shakpana, Babulu Aye, or Xu created disease and parasites, especially smallpox. And the ? Shango supposedly created storms.
In India, many believe the goddesses Mariammam or Shitali Devi made disease.
In Voodoo, the ? Loko or Loa is responsible for healing humans. There are at least 100 different healing gods according to sociologists. False or not, there's a lot of interesting perspectives out there. -
I answered every question posed to me if you didn't understand my answer then fine but don't lie and say I didn't -
kingblaze84 wrote: »his omnibenevolence is not irrelevant to the argument it is central to everything in creation and to this thread, have you looked at the thread title???
This argument >>>And if ? is omniscient,
He knew every detail of every event and every thing in the universe
Before he created it. If ? is omnipotent,
He had the ability to change anything to his liking before
He created the universe.
That means, if ? created the universe, he created
A universe that he wanted to create. That means that everything that
Ever happened is ? 's will and no one else's.
? wanted to create a universe with multiple freewill creatures therefore he allows his universe to change and allows us to reject him
if you say so
the bible says so
That's very convincing.
Well we are talking about the bible ? ??? So what the bible says about ? is central to the discussion -
This thread is based on a faulty premise namely that suffering equals evil.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »
I'm used to it.
But after a while the intellectual dishonesty
And backpedaling gets predictable
And uninteresting.
