So Why Shouldn't There Be a Wall on the Southern Border with Mexico?
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Maximus Rex
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Despite being a racist white supremacist, Donald Trump is right about building some sort of physical barrier on the southern border with Mexico. Whether it's an actual 1,989 mile long wall, a partial wall along the more desolate parts of the border, land mines, snipers, or drones, they needs to be some sort of physical barrier between us and them. My question is why can't there be a wall?
Saying that it can't be built is absolute ? , the ancient Chinese, Egyptians, and Mayans built their wall and pyramids, using beasts of burden and manual slave labor, so why can't we built a wall with modern technology and equipment. Also why are the proponents of the illegal aliens so adamant about there not being a wall and why isn't being in America illegally a federal offense?
Saying that it can't be built is absolute ? , the ancient Chinese, Egyptians, and Mayans built their wall and pyramids, using beasts of burden and manual slave labor, so why can't we built a wall with modern technology and equipment. Also why are the proponents of the illegal aliens so adamant about there not being a wall and why isn't being in America illegally a federal offense?
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Besides that, who'll pay for it and will it be effective ?
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A few factors.
1. The ridiculous amount of money that would be wasted on a project that ultimately would be unsuccessful.
2. As I stated before it would be unsuccessful, with the advancement of travel technology more people are coming in simply by bus and plane.
3. The terrain isn't some flatline that you can easily wall off, as someone who has been to the border area I van personally tell you alot of it is high hills and mountains.
4. To place landmines in Mexico or America is not only unethical and dubiously illegal(especially if you placing them on the American side of the border) it's essentially an act of war.
Overall I think people are vical about there not being a wall because it inspires hope to them, yet a good majority if illegals die tryung ti reach anerica, Texas, Arizona, Mexico heat is no joke. -
A wall is a really dumb idea since most illegal immigration in this country has nothing to do with the Mexican border.
Folks come here on student and tourists visas and then just overstay them ? . And when they come in like that it's usually by airplane
What is a wall gonna do for that? -
Who's going to build it? You think Mexicans are going to build it? Maybe the cacs will build it.
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its a ? wall
when has a WALL stopped anything around this ? ?
people who wanna cross this imaginary line will just get smarter and more desperate
cant be about the dope cuz half of that ? aint even coming thru above ground -
Why shouldn't there be a wall?
Cause we're not in the 1980s and this isn't ? Berlin. -
Because black people will be on the other side of that wall. You think it will end with the Mexicans, but it will only start with them. Also remember that a lot of black folks over here are Muslim to some degree (5%, NOI, Moors). He could probably concoct some sort of story to include to rest of us. I mean, he's good at making ? up and hiding his hands. He's already got a history of treating black folks like ? (his employees, tenants, casino guest, the central park jogger suspects, his comments on BLM, Blacks treatment at his rallies, his birther attacks on Obama). Watch what you wish for.
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One more thought on building walls
There is after all a wall called The Great Wall, originally to keep the Chinese nation safe from nomadic raiders that lived on the fringes of the empire.It didn't work. Multiple times -
Besides that, who'll pay for it and will it be effective ?The_Jackal wrote: »A few factors.
1. The ridiculous amount of money that would be wasted on a project that ultimately would be unsuccessful.[/quote]
Tax dollars.3. As I stated before it would be unsuccessful, with the advancement of travel technology more people are coming in simply by bus and plane.
As I said before, you stop be making it a federal offense to be in the U.S. illegally and also by ending birthright citizenship.3. The terrain isn't some flatline that you can easily wall off, as someone who has been to the border area I van personally tell you alot of it is high hills and mountains.
I see what you mean. Look at how flat that land is.4. To place landmines in Mexico or America is not only unethical and dubiously illegal(especially if you placing them on the American side of the border) it's essentially an act of war.
It also isn't ethical to essentially white wash your country because your a racist white supremacist who gets a pass on his racism which results in you being able to practice it with impunity. How is it an act of war to keep poor out of your country who are a needless burden on social socials and make wages artificially low. Besides, the DMZ is mined.Overall I think people are vical about there not being a wall because it inspires hope to them, yet a good majority if illegals die tryung ti reach anerica, Texas, Arizona, Mexico heat is no joke.
Why don't they use that hope to make their countries of origin better places to live?
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Because black people will be on the other side of that wall. You think it will end with the Mexicans, but it will only start with them. Also remember that a lot of black folks over here are Muslim to some degree (5%, NOI, Moors). He could probably concoct some sort of story to include to rest of us. I mean, he's good at making ? up and hiding his hands. He's already got a history of treating black folks like ? (his employees, tenants, casino guest, the central park jogger suspects), his comments on BLM, Blacks treatment at his rallies, his birther attacks on Obama. Watch what you wish for.
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Walls and door locks only work for undetermined people. If somebody wants to defeat an obstacle that bad, they'll do it.
If you think a wall gon stop a ? with nothin from breakin into the ? house with billions and he only live next door you either stupid or crazy. -
Threadstarter has a point.
A wall across the Mexican border would be expensive, but it could also create a lot of jobs for Americans who are out of work. It could be a public works.infrastructure project that provides jobs through Trumps first term as president.
It might seem impractical but The Pyramids probably seemed impractical at the time. The Empire State Building, Twin Towers and the Sears Tower probably seemed impractical too. -
lol, silly fools, they started building a wall in 2006 at a cost of $80 billion under Bush, that Hillary, Obama, and Sanders voted for
Ran out of money due to the recession, so they stopped
Where were all you naysayers at then -
Threadstarter has a point.
A wall across the Mexican border would be expensive, but it could also create a lot of jobs for Americans who are out of work. It could be a public works.infrastructure project that provides jobs through Trumps first term as president.
It might seem impractical but The Pyramids probably seemed impractical at the time. The Empire State Building, Twin Towers and the Sears Tower probably seemed impractical too.
Or they could decide that the wall will be built by Mexicans. There's a rumor that they work for cheap -
Walls and door locks only work for undetermined people. If somebody wants to defeat an obstacle that bad, they'll do it.
If you think a wall gon stop a ? with nothin from breakin into the ? house with billions and he only live next door you either stupid or crazy.
That's what the snipers, drones, and land mines are for. Will stop every Tómas, Ricardo, Juan from traversing that hot ass desert, no. Just like mandatory sentences isn't stopping dudes from selling dope, but it will stop some, and we have to start somewhere.
Besides, it wall is just one part of attacking the problem along with making it a felony to be in the U.S. illegally, having a Constitutional amendment doing away with birthright citizenship, (which was meant for us, by the way,) establishing a guest worker programs, and stop giving federal funds to sanctuary cities. -
theres not already a wall?
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Maximus Rex wrote: »Besides that, who'll pay for it and will it be effective ?The_Jackal wrote: »A few factors.
1. The ridiculous amount of money that would be wasted on a project that ultimately would be unsuccessful.
Tax dollars.3. As I stated before it would be unsuccessful, with the advancement of travel technology more people are coming in simply by bus and plane.
As I said before, you stop be making it a federal offense to be in the U.S. illegally and also by ending birthright citizenship.3. The terrain isn't some flatline that you can easily wall off, as someone who has been to the border area I van personally tell you alot of it is high hills and mountains.
I see what you mean. Look at how flat that land is.4. To place landmines in Mexico or America is not only unethical and dubiously illegal(especially if you placing them on the American side of the border) it's essentially an act of war.
It also isn't ethical to essentially white wash your country because your a racist white supremacist who gets a pass on his racism which results in you being able to practice it with impunity. How is it an act of war to keep poor out of your country who are a needless burden on social socials and make wages artificially low. Besides, the DMZ is mined.Overall I think people are vical about there not being a wall because it inspires hope to them, yet a good majority if illegals die tryung ti reach anerica, Texas, Arizona, Mexico heat is no joke.
Why don't they use that hope to make their countries of origin better places to live?
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Yes another failure of a project that taxpayers have to burden. Not to disrespect you but I wonder whenever someone says Taxes should pay for such a project do they own any property and pay taxes on it.
Making it a federal offense wouldn't stop it so that point is mute, and lol ending birthright citizenship. You do understand that it is an amendment and that it ultimately benefitted blacks. Beside how else do you decided citizenship? By ownership of property like before, or through the draft? Personally I'm in favor of the draft but it wont be installed unless a major war happens.
Lol Texas is 250,000 miles, the great wall is 14,000 miles. Not only to mention that it was completed over literally hundreds of years.
You serious? Your comparing two states that have been at war for over 40 years, to two states that havent been at war since 1800s. There are no hostility between the country, no open warfare, no covert actions. As you said its poor people trying to run from a country that is wholeheardly corrupt. If you can't see why killing them with mines, drones, snipers is wrong then your moral compass broken.
As far as why they don't make it better, alot of people are trying to make it better. Mexico military are actively engaging the Cartel but most Cartels are valued at over 1 Billiom dollars, most of it coming straight from America. -
"The borders should illegal instead of the people
That were here before the bible And all of its sequels"
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Maximus Rex wrote: »land mines, snipers, or drones,
sounds a little excessive dont you think?
we should ? men, women, and children just because they're illegal immigrants? -
Maximus Rex wrote: »Walls and door locks only work for undetermined people. If somebody wants to defeat an obstacle that bad, they'll do it.
If you think a wall gon stop a ? with nothin from breakin into the ? house with billions and he only live next door you either stupid or crazy.
That's what the snipers, drones, and land mines are for. Will stop every Tómas, Ricardo, Juan from traversing that hot ass desert, no. Just like mandatory sentences isn't stopping dudes from selling dope, but it will stop some, and we have to start somewhere.
Besides, it wall is just one part of attacking the problem along with making it a felony to be in the U.S. illegally, having a Constitutional amendment doing away with birthright citizenship, (which was meant for us, by the way,) establishing a guest worker programs, and stop giving federal funds to sanctuary cities.
That's a whole lot of money to patrol this wall 24/7. It won't stop drugs. It won't stop immigration. Lmao at snipers and drones. This ain't some sci fi movie, that ? ain't feasible. Also, super expensive. Not sure you know how tax dollars work. -
Because, I don't personally have an issue with any race of people migrating back to their original lands.
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HerbalVaporCapers wrote: »A wall is a really dumb idea since most illegal immigration in this country has nothing to do with the Mexican border.
Folks come here on student and tourists visas and then just overstay them ? . And when they come in like that it's usually by airplane
What is a wall gonna do for that?
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The cost to build and maintain the wall will be ridiculous. It would be well over 100 billion just to build it, factoring in building roads to get trucks and equipment, machinery to places on the border that are not readily accessible. The maintenance would be over 500 million a year just to keep it in good condition.
Now you have to pay more workers along the border patrol as well. More money gone.
The cost of materials, specialized tradesmen, land developers. More money gone. See the wall built in 2004.
The people who are a big part of the US construction industry are....you guessed it Mexican. I guarantee they will not have any part in building the wall. So now you have to pay a higher dollar to the workers for them to even consider the job.
A wall is outdated means of a barrier in the times we live in. Build a 40 foot wall, 40 feet ladders are flying off shelves. Then people can also go under the wall via tunnel, see the cartels about that 1.
Let's not act like blowing up portions of the wall isn't possible.
After you tally this up, it's actually cheaper not build a wall.
If you think Mexico will let you stick them with the bill for some ? they don't want, u are sadly mistaken.
We can put the money from that wall to good use , such as fixing this ? infrastructure, investing in green energy.
There are other people besides Mexicans who are here illegal, and they receive massive tax breaks, grants, money that born citizens can't even get. -
America has more pressing issues than a wall
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Y'all no messican immigration is slowing down right?
