AZ >>>>>>>>>>> Jay-Z (Stop Using Popularity In Your Argument)
Options
Logic Last
Members Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭✭✭
Jay generally is a notch or two above AZ with production because of his budget but I feel like AZ is actually a combination of Jay and Nas. Brooklyn swag, hustling but lyrical. His voice is unique more so than JayZ and his hooks are solid. Dude just couldn't get out of Nas shadow and couldn't fully switch to Jay's lane because his lyrical fans hate.
Being commercial came easy to AZ. Sugar Hill, Hey AZ, For The Love of Money. AZ just never invested in radio payola and Nas left him for dead.
Do or Die blows Reasonable Doubt out the water. Pieces of a Man is classic. However, it's true AZ has no Blueprint but Blueprint was mostly Kanye. IMO
We banning unpopular opinions? Y'all are ? and bandwagon followers.
Fukk you if you not feelin me.
I know hip hop more than you little twerps. Been on this board before you were born. Check the date you fakkots.
Being commercial came easy to AZ. Sugar Hill, Hey AZ, For The Love of Money. AZ just never invested in radio payola and Nas left him for dead.
Do or Die blows Reasonable Doubt out the water. Pieces of a Man is classic. However, it's true AZ has no Blueprint but Blueprint was mostly Kanye. IMO
We banning unpopular opinions? Y'all are ? and bandwagon followers.
Fukk you if you not feelin me.
I know hip hop more than you little twerps. Been on this board before you were born. Check the date you fakkots.
Comments
-
If you are going to assert that, "AZ>>>Jay Z" you have to list your criteria for making such a judgement.
Is he batter at rapping, is he more lyrical, does he have a better voice, a better discography, does he have abetter ear for beats?
In particular, what is he better at? -
Logic First wrote: »We banning unpopular opinions? Y'all are ? and bandwagon followers.
Fukk you if you not feelin me.
I know hip hop more than you little twerps. Been on this board before you were born. Check the date you fakkots.
Easy Troy Ave , calm down bruh -
technically az is better imo but like dude 5 grand said u got to state specifically what he is better at.
-
Logic First wrote: »We banning unpopular opinions? Y'all are ? and bandwagon followers.
Fukk you if you not feelin me.
I know hip hop more than you little twerps. Been on this board before you were born. Check the date you fakkots.
-
This ? is insane
-
Lol @ twerps
-
macadonwoo wrote: »Logic First wrote: »We banning unpopular opinions? Y'all are ? and bandwagon followers.
Fukk you if you not feelin me.
I know hip hop more than you little twerps. Been on this board before you were born. Check the date you fakkots.
Easy Troy Ave , calm down bruh
Nah, this board is wack, nikkaz run to the mods to ban me because my opinion is unpopular? It's disgusting. -
If you are going to assert that, "AZ>>>Jay Z" you have to list your criteria for making such a judgement.
Is he batter at rapping, is he more lyrical, does he have a better voice, a better discography, does he have abetter ear for beats?
In particular, what is he better at?
This is a counter punch thread. Why do people primarily like Jay better? -
Logic First wrote: »If you are going to assert that, "AZ>>>Jay Z" you have to list your criteria for making such a judgement.
Is he batter at rapping, is he more lyrical, does he have a better voice, a better discography, does he have abetter ear for beats?
In particular, what is he better at?
This is a counter punch thread. Why do people primarily like Jay better?
Well, I can think of a few reasons;
1. Jay Z has more songs that you hear on the radio
2. Jay Z has more songs that you'd hear in a Hip Hop club. He also has more songs that would make a clubgoer rush the dance floor.
3. Jay Z sells more records and gets more media attention
4. Jay Z has more albums that people consider "classic".
5. AZ, while I admit is a talented rapper, doesn't have as many classic singles as Jay. AZ is a good rapper but he doesn't make classic songs, he just spits hot 16 bar verses. -
Logic First wrote: »If you are going to assert that, "AZ>>>Jay Z" you have to list your criteria for making such a judgement.
Is he batter at rapping, is he more lyrical, does he have a better voice, a better discography, does he have abetter ear for beats?
In particular, what is he better at?
This is a counter punch thread. Why do people primarily like Jay better?
Well, I can think of a few reasons;
1. Jay Z has more songs that you hear on the radio
2. Jay Z has more songs that you'd hear in a Hip Hop club. He also has more songs that would make a clubgoer rush the dance floor.
3. Jay Z sells more records and gets more media attention
4. Jay Z has more albums that people consider "classic".
5. AZ, while I admit is a talented rapper, doesn't have as many classic singles as Jay. AZ is a good rapper but he doesn't make classic songs, he just spits hot 16 bar verses.
That's my point, once you subtract media popularity there's nothing left to pull him ahead of AZ. If radio and media actually played his songs he would be more popular than Jay. AZ just never played the payola game -
20 years ago this wouldn't have been as far fetched of a comparison. Hov was just more consistent than AZ over the years.
Nah, those Volume albums were terrible -
Jay is more charasmatic more creative better ear for beats better songwriter more diverse subject matter...az is one of the nicest to do it tho and he spit one of the illest verses ever on life's a ?
-
T/s high as ?
-
Logic First wrote: »macadonwoo wrote: »Logic First wrote: »We banning unpopular opinions? Y'all are ? and bandwagon followers.
Fukk you if you not feelin me.
I know hip hop more than you little twerps. Been on this board before you were born. Check the date you fakkots.
Easy Troy Ave , calm down bruh
Nah, this board is wack, nikkaz run to the mods to ban me because my opinion is unpopular? It's disgusting.
You wanna talk about unpopular opinions , one of my favorite rappers is Ja Rule , people been hurting their hands pressing the Wack and feelings buttons on my ? since I been posting here LOL !
Somehow I never been banned. It might be the way you be presenting your opinions doggie ???
Watch me get banned now for saying I like Ja lol
-
Logic First wrote: »Logic First wrote: »If you are going to assert that, "AZ>>>Jay Z" you have to list your criteria for making such a judgement.
Is he batter at rapping, is he more lyrical, does he have a better voice, a better discography, does he have abetter ear for beats?
In particular, what is he better at?
This is a counter punch thread. Why do people primarily like Jay better?
Well, I can think of a few reasons;
1. Jay Z has more songs that you hear on the radio
2. Jay Z has more songs that you'd hear in a Hip Hop club. He also has more songs that would make a clubgoer rush the dance floor.
3. Jay Z sells more records and gets more media attention
4. Jay Z has more albums that people consider "classic".
5. AZ, while I admit is a talented rapper, doesn't have as many classic singles as Jay. AZ is a good rapper but he doesn't make classic songs, he just spits hot 16 bar verses.
That's my point, once you subtract media popularity there's nothing left to pull him ahead of AZ. If radio and media actually played his songs he would be more popular than Jay. AZ just never played the payola game
? it I'll play along.
AZ is like Ray Allen. Top 3/5 best shooters all time but not much else, ie great lyricist.
Jay-Z is like Lebron or Magic. All Around great, can pass, shoot, rebound etc. -
Revolver Ocelot wrote: »
Jay-Z is like Lebron or Magic. All Around great, can pass, shoot, rebound etc.
And I'm on the block like I'm eight feet tall -
Logic First wrote: »
Overrated definitely -
I got A above Jay but both top 10
-
AZ has a superb catalogue of music. I think an argument can be made comparing Doe Or Die to Reasonable Doubt. AZ's later work is better than Jay's later albums, but early on Jay was better IMO. AZ is stylistically the closest thing to G Rap with his scheme and flow. Anyway, good conversation.
-
First album ? loved me cos they thought I was poor, now that I'm successful the industry don't love me no more.
If Jay was broke with the same catalog and without the pop hits y'all ? will call him GOAT.
Az is nice but not top tier.. There's only a selected few on that Level.
-
First album ? loved me cos they thought I was poor, now that I'm successful the industry don't love me no more.
If Jay was broke with the same catalog and without the pop hits y'all ? will call him GOAT.
Az is nice but not top tier.. There's only a selected few on that Level.
Cosign
AZ is nice and his Life's a ? verse is legendary. Doe or Die is as good as Reasonable Doubt, but there's something to be said about an MC that has the ability to break into pop culture without watering down his music, which Jay did flawlessly in the middle of his career. Blueprint 1 was a perfect balance between real, ? Hip Hop with a few radio singles.
Jay Z is an A list rapper, AZ, while I admit he's nice with the pen, isn't an A list rapper.
I'd bet most people in middle America don't even know who AZ is. -
Cosign
AZ is nice and his Life's a ? verse is legendary. Doe or Die is as good as Reasonable Doubt, but there's something to be said about an MC that has the ability to break into pop culture without watering down his music, which Jay did flawlessly in the middle of his career. Blueprint 1 was a perfect balance between real, ? Hip Hop with a few radio singles.
By his own admission Jay watered and dumbed down his music for mainstream success. His biggest selling album had two commercial singles One had the Annie Sample the other was a part of The Rush Hour Soundtrack.Jay Z is an A list rapper, AZ, while I admit he's nice with the pen, isn't an A list rapper.
I'd bet most people in middle America don't even know who AZ is.
So being known in middle america, having radio singles and mainstream success determines whose the better rapper now?
-
Whats wrong, did somebody stole your timbs and put sandals there?
-
Verse for verse jigga would hurt azilla put rather unique up against devils or if we're going by discography put rather unique up against lyrical exercise. And if AZ wins that round Jay has a slew of other ? that's gonna smother az, Jay put in too much work for debates like this and AZ is great but Jay is a whole different level of great
-
First album ? loved me cos they thought I was poor, now that I'm successful the industry don't love me no more.
If Jay was broke with the same catalog and without the pop hits y'all ? will call him GOAT.
Az is nice but not top tier.. There's only a selected few on that Level.
Cosign
AZ is nice and his Life's a ? verse is legendary. Doe or Die is as good as Reasonable Doubt, but there's something to be said about an MC that has the ability to break into pop culture without watering down his music, which Jay did flawlessly in the middle of his career. Blueprint 1 was a perfect balance between real, ? Hip Hop with a few radio singles.
Jay Z is an A list rapper, AZ, while I admit he's nice with the pen, isn't an A list rapper.
I'd bet most people in middle America don't even know who AZ is.
No, you're still using his popularity as a crutch to help him. If AZ did Money, Cash, Hoes y'all would laugh him off the block
