For those who think Pac wasn't as good of a rapper as the best of them

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youngnick
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edited January 2017 in The Reason
You just haven't listened to much of his music...

Me Against the World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cjv7hEAytU

[Verse 1: 2Pac]
Can you picture my prophecy?
Stress in the city, the cops is out for me
The projects is full of bullets, though bodies is droppin'
They ain't no stoppin' me
Constantly movin' while makin' millions
Witnessin' killings
Leavin' dead bodies in abandoned buildings
Can't reach the children 'cause they're illin'
Addicted to killin' and the appeal from the cap peelin'
Without feelin', but will they last or be blasted?
Hard headed bastard
Maybe he'll listen in his casket; the aftermath
More bodies being buried, I'm losin' my homies in a hurry
They're relocatin' to the cemetery
Got me runnin', stressin', my vision's blurry
The question is will I live? No one in the world loves me
I'm headed for danger, don't trust strangers
Put one in the chamber whenever I'm feeling this anger
Don't wanna make excuses, cause this is how it is
What's the use? Unless we're shootin' no one notices the youth
It's just me against the world, baby

[[Verse 4: 2Pac]
With all this extra stressin'
The question I wonder is after death, after my last breath
When will I finally get to rest through this oppression?
They punish the people that's askin' questions. And those that possess steal from the ones without possessions
The message I stress: to make it stop, study your lessons
Don't settle for less, even the genius asks his questions
Be grateful for blessings, don't ever change, keep your essence
The power is in the people and politics we address
Always do your best, don't let the pressure make you panic
And when you get stranded
And things don't go the way you planned it
Dreamin' of riches, in a position of makin' a difference
Politicians are hypocrites, they don't wanna listen
If I'm insane, it's the fame made a brother change
It wasn't nothin' like the game, it's just me against the world

Checkout Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AxaBugdt2I

[Verse 1: 2Pac]
Now I'm up early in the mornin', breath stinkin' as I'm yawnin'
Just another sunny day in California
I got my mind focused on some papers while I'm into sexy capers
Give a holla to them hoochies last night, that tried to ? us
Will these rap lyrics take us, plus room all up in Vegas
I'm a boss playa, death before I let these ? break us
Last night was like a fantasy, Alizé and Hennessy
A hoochie and her homie ? dancin' with my man and me
Told her I was interested, picture all the ? we did
I got her hot and ? , all up on me, what a freaky ?
First you argued, then I fight it, 'til you lick me where I like it
Got a ? all excited, it don't matter, just don't bite it
I never got to check out the scene
Too busy tryin' to dig a hole in your jeans
Now it seems, it's check out time

Got My Mind Made Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gztDvPWTWs

[Verse 2: 2Pac]
So mandatory my elevation, my lyrics like orientation
So you can be more familiar with the ? you facin'
We must be patient, nothin' better than communication
Known to damage and highly flammable like gas stations
Sorry I left that ass waitin'
No more procrastination, give up to fate and get that ass shakin'
I'm bustin' and makin' ? panic
Don't take your life for granted
Put that ass in the dirt, you swear the ? was planted
My lyrics motivate the planet
It's similar to Rhythm Nation, but thugged out, forgive me, Janet
Who's in control, I'm activatin' your souls
You know the way the games get controlled
Yo, two years ago, a friend of mine
Told me Alize and Cristal blows your mind
Bear witness to the dopest ? ' rhyme I wrote
Takin' off my coat, clearin' my throat

I Get Around
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqJAnQTwmJs

[Verse 4: 2Pac]
Finger tips on the hips as I dip
Gotta get a tight grip, don't slip; loose lips sink ships
It's a trip, I love the way she licks her lips, see me jockin'
Put a little twist in her hips ?cause I'm watchin'
Conversations on the phone 'til the break of dawn
Now we're all alone: why the lights on?
Turn them off! Time to set it off, get you wet and soft
Somethin' is on your mind, let it off
You don't know me, you just met me, you won't let me
Well, if I couldn't have it (silly rabbit) why you sweatin' me?
It's a lot of real G's doin' time
?Cause a groupie bent the truth and told a lie
You picked the wrong guy, baby, if you're too fly
You need to hit the door, search for a new guy
?Cause I only got one night in town
Break out or be clowned, baby doll, are you down? I get around

If I Die 2Nite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3zaafiNVWE

[Verse 1]
They say ? and paper is poetry, power and pistols
Plotting on murdering ? 'fore they get you
Picturing pitiful punk ? copping pleas
Puffing weed as I position myself to clock G's
My enemies scatter in suicidal situations
Never to witness the wicked ? that they was facin'
Pockets is packed with presidents, pursue your riches
Evading the playa hating tricks while hitting switches
? is bad-mouth, ?cause brawling ? is bold
But charge them hoes; the game should be sold
I'm sick of psychotic society, somebody save me
Addicted to drama, so even Mama couldn't raise me
Even the preacher and all my teachers couldn't reach me
I run in the streets and puffing weed with my peeps
I'm duckin' the cops, I hit the weed as I'm clutchin' my Glock
? is hot when I hit the block; what if I die tonight?

[Verse 2]
Polish your pistols, prepare for battle, pass the pump
When I get to poppin', ? is droppin' then they done
Calling the coroner, come collect the ? corpse
He got hit by a killer, preoccupied with being boss
Revenge is the method
Whenever steppin', keep a weapon close
Adversaries are overdosed over deadly notes
Jealous ? and broke ? equal packed jails
Hit the block and fill your pockets, making ? sales
Picture perfection, pursuing paper with a passion
Visions of prisons for all the ? that I blasted
Running with criminals individuals with no remorse
Try to stop me, my pistol posse's using deadly force
In my brain all I can think about is fame
The police know my name
A different game, ain't a thing changed
I'm seeing cemetery photos of my peers
Conversating like they still here; if I die tonight



He always got criticized for his flow and rhyme schemes but don't let his commercialization fool you.
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  • Revolver Ocelot
    Revolver Ocelot Members Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    youngnick wrote: »
    He always got criticized for his flow and rhyme schemes but don't let his commercialization fool you.




    youngnick wrote: »


    [Verse 1: 2Pac]
    Can you picture my prophecy?
    Stress in the city, the cops is out for me
    The projects is full of bullets, though bodies is droppin'
    They ain't no stoppin' me
    Constantly movin' while makin' millions
    Witnessin' killings
    Leavin' dead bodies in abandoned buildings
    Can't reach the children 'cause they're illin'
    Addicted to killin' and the appeal from the cap peelin'
    Without feelin', but will they last or be blasted?
    Hard headed bastard
    Maybe he'll listen in his casket; the aftermath
    More bodies being buried, I'm losin' my homies in a hurry
    They're relocatin' to the cemetery
    Got me runnin', stressin', my vision's blurry
    The question is will I live? No one in the world loves me
    I'm headed for danger, don't trust strangers
    Put one in the chamber whenever I'm feeling this anger
    Don't wanna make excuses, cause this is how it is
    What's the use? Unless we're shootin' no one notices the youth
    It's just me against the world, baby

    Them bars are elementary (pun intended)

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  • CeLLaR-DooR
    CeLLaR-DooR Members Posts: 18,880 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'm not a big Pac fan but it's not coz he's not a technical rapper.

    Although, he rarely carries a rhyme past two bars. A lotta early 90s rappers were like that too, so it's not such a big deal.
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  • youngnick
    youngnick Members Posts: 600 ✭✭✭
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    Lefty_ wrote: »
    There are way more than this too....

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    lol word, I'm not saying he was the perfect lyricist. I just think his skill actually gets overlooked because of saturated songs he made with lines like these.
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  • RickyRich
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    I rather him talk about henny n enemies then hearing a rapper talkin about ? babies in their ass and throwin em off the bridge
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  • Lefty_
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    RickyRich wrote: »
    I rather him talk about henny n enemies then hearing a rapper talkin about ? babies in their ass and throwin em off the bridge

    You could not listen to that one song and evade that line, you could potentially get a rendition of that line in every pac song.
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  • king hassan
    king hassan Members Posts: 22,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Lefty_ wrote: »
    There are way more than this too....

    33cb637902297059c5d1f7ff670b194e.580x996x1.jpg

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  • freethewave
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    Pac the GOAT. To each is own but when people downplay him I swear they must be trollin.
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  • 5 Grand
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    freethewave wrote: »
    Pac the GOAT. To each is own but when people downplay him I swear they must be trollin.

    Thats the problem. In one breathe you say, "to each his own" and in the next breathe you say, "when people downplay him I swear they must be trollin".

    Thats what I hate about the IC, you really can't say anything negative about 2Pac or the mods will delete your post and ban you and then send a virus to your computer and send thugs to your house/job to beat you up.

    Whats wrong with thinking that Pac made good music but he's just not the undisputed GOAT that people claim?
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  • freethewave
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    5 Grand wrote: »
    freethewave wrote: »
    Pac the GOAT. To each is own but when people downplay him I swear they must be trollin.

    Thats the problem. In one breathe you say, "to each his own" and in the next breathe you say, "when people downplay him I swear they must be trollin".

    Thats what I hate about the IC, you really can't say anything negative about 2Pac or the mods will delete your post and ban you and then send a virus to your computer and send thugs to your house/job to beat you up.

    Whats wrong with thinking that Pac made good music but he's just not the undisputed GOAT that people claim?

    When I say downplay I mean people saying he doesn't make good music or he's overarted. That's when
    I start to think they just saying that to be contrarian. Guess they just hear ? differently. Also I don't think a mod has ever deleted a post going against Pac have they?

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  • 5 Grand
    5 Grand Members Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    freethewave wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    freethewave wrote: »
    Pac the GOAT. To each is own but when people downplay him I swear they must be trollin.

    Thats the problem. In one breathe you say, "to each his own" and in the next breathe you say, "when people downplay him I swear they must be trollin".

    Thats what I hate about the IC, you really can't say anything negative about 2Pac or the mods will delete your post and ban you and then send a virus to your computer and send thugs to your house/job to beat you up.

    Whats wrong with thinking that Pac made good music but he's just not the undisputed GOAT that people claim?

    When I say downplay I mean people saying he doesn't make good music or he's overarted. That's when
    I start to think they just saying that to be contrarian. Guess they just hear ? differently. Also I don't think a mod has ever deleted a post going against Pac have they?

    I've had threads locked and buried because I said I didn't like Disc 2 of All Eyes On Me. As if I can't have an opinion. ? weak to me. Disc 1 was good but Disc 2 was too much G-Funk and too many collaborations.

    Watch my post get deleted.
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  • Lefty_
    Lefty_ Members, Writer Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Na, nothin wrong with Pac at all. Dude really made grown man music, I only have a problem when people try to make him something he's not. He's simply not the best technical rapper, but where his talent does lie is evoking emotion and his pantheristic social commentary as well as ability to relate to the black man on the most fundamental level.

    Nobody in hip hop before or after has been as great as he is at that. Let him be what he is and celebrate it instead of trying to force his weaknesses down ? ' throats as strengths, you can't ? on a ? leg and tell him it's raining. Pac ain't no wordsmith B.

    When Zimmermam was found innocent, when Trump was elected, and when one of the homies dies 2Pac is the MVP. You should be celebratin his rare talent that nobody else has instead of trying to fit him in what most others are trying to be.
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  • Stew
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    5 Grand wrote: »
    freethewave wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    freethewave wrote: »
    Pac the GOAT. To each is own but when people downplay him I swear they must be trollin.

    Thats the problem. In one breathe you say, "to each his own" and in the next breathe you say, "when people downplay him I swear they must be trollin".

    Thats what I hate about the IC, you really can't say anything negative about 2Pac or the mods will delete your post and ban you and then send a virus to your computer and send thugs to your house/job to beat you up.

    Whats wrong with thinking that Pac made good music but he's just not the undisputed GOAT that people claim?

    When I say downplay I mean people saying he doesn't make good music or he's overarted. That's when
    I start to think they just saying that to be contrarian. Guess they just hear ? differently. Also I don't think a mod has ever deleted a post going against Pac have they?

    I've had threads locked and buried because I said I didn't like Disc 2 of All Eyes On Me. As if I can't have an opinion. ? weak to me. Disc 1 was good but Disc 2 was too much G-Funk and too many collaborations.

    Watch my post get deleted.

    Link me to this thread
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  • freethewave
    freethewave Members Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Lefty_ wrote: »
    Na, nothin wrong with Pac at all. Dude really made grown man music, I only have a problem when people try to make him something he's not. He's simply not the best technical rapper, but where his talent does lie is evoking emotion and his pantheristic social commentary as well as ability to relate to the black man on the most fundamental level.

    Nobody in hip hop before or after has been as great as he is at that. Let him be what he is and celebrate it instead of trying to force his weaknesses down ? ' throats as strengths, you can't ? on a ? leg and tell him it's raining. Pac ain't no wordsmith B.

    When Zimmermam was found innocent, when Trump was elected, and when one of the homies dies 2Pac is the MVP. You should be celebratin his rare talent that nobody else has instead of trying to fit him in what most others are trying to be.

    Agree with a lot of this but what is a 'technical rapper' and who are the best ones? What makes them a 'technical rapper?'
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  • 5 Grand
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    Stew wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    freethewave wrote: »
    5 Grand wrote: »
    freethewave wrote: »
    Pac the GOAT. To each is own but when people downplay him I swear they must be trollin.

    Thats the problem. In one breathe you say, "to each his own" and in the next breathe you say, "when people downplay him I swear they must be trollin".

    Thats what I hate about the IC, you really can't say anything negative about 2Pac or the mods will delete your post and ban you and then send a virus to your computer and send thugs to your house/job to beat you up.

    Whats wrong with thinking that Pac made good music but he's just not the undisputed GOAT that people claim?

    When I say downplay I mean people saying he doesn't make good music or he's overarted. That's when
    I start to think they just saying that to be contrarian. Guess they just hear ? differently. Also I don't think a mod has ever deleted a post going against Pac have they?

    I've had threads locked and buried because I said I didn't like Disc 2 of All Eyes On Me. As if I can't have an opinion. ? weak to me. Disc 1 was good but Disc 2 was too much G-Funk and too many collaborations.

    Watch my post get deleted.

    Link me to this thread

    http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/comment/7195912#Comment_7195912
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  • Lefty_
    Lefty_ Members, Writer Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    freethewave wrote: »
    Lefty_ wrote: »
    Na, nothin wrong with Pac at all. Dude really made grown man music, I only have a problem when people try to make him something he's not. He's simply not the best technical rapper, but where his talent does lie is evoking emotion and his pantheristic social commentary as well as ability to relate to the black man on the most fundamental level.

    Nobody in hip hop before or after has been as great as he is at that. Let him be what he is and celebrate it instead of trying to force his weaknesses down ? ' throats as strengths, you can't ? on a ? leg and tell him it's raining. Pac ain't no wordsmith B.

    When Zimmermam was found innocent, when Trump was elected, and when one of the homies dies 2Pac is the MVP. You should be celebratin his rare talent that nobody else has instead of trying to fit him in what most others are trying to be.

    Agree with a lot of this but what is a 'technical rapper' and who are the best ones? What makes them a 'technical rapper?'

    Jay-Z is a great example of a technical rapper, he uses tangible literary devices similes, metaphors, witty word associations, personifications, basically a wizard with words, Lupe is another great example.

    Pac uses a lot of those too, but they're not as ominous, nor are they as celebrated because many of them occur in every day life.
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  • TDUB1
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    edited January 2017
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    ME AGAINST THE WORLD IS ARGUABLY THE BEST HIPHOP ALBUM OF ALL TIME . AND AEOM PAC WAS TALKING THAT ? WITH DOPE ASS PRODUCTION .AWESOME TIME IN HIPHOP.
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  • Cabana_Da_Don
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    The passion for his people manifested in his lyrics.That´s what made Pac.It´s like his spirit drove him not his material self.When you hear Pac it´s like he´s next to you talking.Also his rebel spirit like Che made the people love him.
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  • Soloman_The_Wise
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    Lefty_ wrote: »
    There are way more than this too....

    33cb637902297059c5d1f7ff670b194e.580x996x1.jpg

    It has always been my belief he had a on the Low endorsement deal, think about the alcohol endorsements were just starting to really pop in hiphop during the early to mid nineties...
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