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Eisenhower teacher fired over allegedly 'bullying' student into standing for Pledge
A second teacher has been disciplined at Eisenhower High School over a student's refusal to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
Vince Ziebarth, who has worked in District 218 since 2009, and was a full-time driver's education teacher at the Blue Island school since January 2014, said he was terminated March 16 after being told he made "inappropriate comments" to sophomore Shemar Cooper.
At the beginning of the school year, Cooper and his mother, Kelley Porter Turner said the first teacher tried to coerce him to stand by grabbing him by his arm.
Porter Turner now says that two weeks ago, Ziebarth told her son, "If you want to drive with me, you have to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance."
"I brushed it off and let it go," she said, until Cooper came home from school and said the teacher "wouldn't let it go."
Ziebarth said, "I told him he can make a choice to sit, but as long as you choose to sit, you will not sit in my (drivers ed) vehicle. I did not tell him what to do."
Cooper's other friends drive with the teacher. When a group went out for behind-the-wheel training, Cooper asked if he also could go, his mother said.
The teacher reportedly told her son, "'You know what you have to do if you want to come with me,'" Porter Turner said.
"If my son didn't say anything to me, (the teacher) would have continued — and that's bullying," she said.
"He violated my son's First Amendment rights," she said.
She said she emailed an Eisenhower administrator and asked her to "take care of it."
"She called me two days later and said he was going to be terminated," said Porter Turner, who then contacted the news media.
School officials did "not set an example the first time," she said, saying the first teacher got suspended for trying to force her son out of his chair to stand for the Pledge.
"That first teacher should have been fired. That would send a message that you can't get away with bullying my son," Porter Turner said.
Cooper is a "good kid" who gets "good grades," she said.
"I tell him to stand up for what he believes in," said Porter Turner.
School officials have declined to comment on personnel issues.
Ziebarth told a different story.
He said he had one behind-the-wheel lesson with Cooper in February.
"I didn't want to say anything to him then, with other students in the car," he said.
But when Cooper later asked when they were going out driving again, that is when Ziebarth said he had a private conversation with Cooper about what it means to stand for the Pledge and told the student how he felt.
"I told him I stand to honor the sacrifice and bravery of those who made the ultimate sacrifice for our country. It doesn't mean America is perfect, or that we agree with everything going on," said Ziebarth, whose grandfather was a Marine in World War II, and whose uncle served in Vietnam.
"We had an understanding. He was making a choice, and I was making a choice. His name never appeared on my sign-up sheet again, so I thought it was over," Ziebarth said.
"I thought it was best for everyone. I didn't want my feelings to seep into my instruction unintentionally," he said.
There are seven other drivers ed teachers, and students sign up and choose the teacher they want to ride with because they want students to be comfortable behind the wheel, he said.
After that conversation, Ziebarth said Cooper often "joked" about it with him, smiling and saying, 'Hey, Mr. Z am I going to ride with you today?'
"I would say, 'you know the answer,'" the teacher said. "Shemar was absolutely pushing the issue."
Ziebarth said he had not spoken to Cooper for the past two weeks and added he was surprised to be called to the principal's office March 15.
The next day he said he was told his services were no longer required in the district, without being given a specific reason.
Ziebarth was not under contract and was not a tenured teacher.
"I was given no options. Had the principal told me I had to allow Shemar in my car, I would have," he said.
"The punishment does not fit the crime," he said, noting that the first teacher got a one-day suspension.
An online petition drive to "Get Mr. Z back at Ike" was started by students at change.org, and had over 600 signatures, as of Wednesday morning.
Similar to what occurred after the first incident, Porter Turner's son is being harassed by classmates, who blame him for getting a favorite teacher terminated, she said.
Last September, Porter Turner said she was going to take her son out of Eisenhower because he was being harassed by fellow students and enroll him in an online charter school.
That option did not pan out because the student had to be a Chicago resident or pay tuition, she said. Cooper lives in Merrionette Park.
"I hope my son can get through the next two years and not get harassed," his mother said.
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Ziebarth said, "I told him he can make a choice to sit, but as long as you choose to sit, you will not sit in my (drivers ed) vehicle. I did not tell him what to do."
"We had an understanding. He was making a choice, and I was making a choice. His name never appeared on my sign-up sheet again, so I thought it was over," Ziebarth said.
I guess he made a choice too and decided unemployment was worth trying (and failing) to use his his authority to coerce a kid into giving up his first amendment rights. -
Good.
It's amazing that some whites don't see the irony in forced patriotism. -
Violation of 1st Amendment, SCOTUS ruled on this decades ago. Public school is a state actor and has to uphold the 1st amendment per the 14th amendment. Teacher is a ? , hope it was worth it, enjoy unemployment...
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Ziebarth said, "I told him he can make a choice to sit, but as long as you choose to sit, you will not sit in my (drivers ed) vehicle. I did not tell him what to do."
"We had an understanding. He was making a choice, and I was making a choice. His name never appeared on my sign-up sheet again, so I thought it was over," Ziebarth said.
I guess he made a choice too and decided unemployment was worth trying (and failing) to use his his authority to coerce a kid into giving up his first amendment rights.
U aint read it the boy could of rode with other teachers..!!!!he removed himself to not hurt the child..snow flake pc ? -
blackgod813 wrote: »Ziebarth said, "I told him he can make a choice to sit, but as long as you choose to sit, you will not sit in my (drivers ed) vehicle. I did not tell him what to do."
"We had an understanding. He was making a choice, and I was making a choice. His name never appeared on my sign-up sheet again, so I thought it was over," Ziebarth said.
I guess he made a choice too and decided unemployment was worth trying (and failing) to use his his authority to coerce a kid into giving up his first amendment rights.
U aint read it the boy could of rode with other teachers..!!!!he removed himself to not hurt the child..snow flake pc ?
Bruh. Stop using white supremacist language. The ppl who use that phrase dont believe in black gods -
I listen to alot of rush an glen an can parrot them at will i had to expand ...i couldnt talk marcus an how homosexualty aint african for 10000time again...on the face value they are just smaller goverment an when u say white supremacist u talkin the ? or fox news
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blackgod813 wrote: »Ziebarth said, "I told him he can make a choice to sit, but as long as you choose to sit, you will not sit in my (drivers ed) vehicle. I did not tell him what to do."
"We had an understanding. He was making a choice, and I was making a choice. His name never appeared on my sign-up sheet again, so I thought it was over," Ziebarth said.
I guess he made a choice too and decided unemployment was worth trying (and failing) to use his his authority to coerce a kid into giving up his first amendment rights.
U aint read it the boy could of rode with other teachers..!!!!he removed himself to not hurt the child..snow flake pc ?
Bruh. Stop using white supremacist language. The ppl who use that phrase dont believe in black gods
FYI... you are talking to a known legit ? .
No offense @blackgod813 - we all have our cross to bear. -
blackgod813 wrote: »Ziebarth said, "I told him he can make a choice to sit, but as long as you choose to sit, you will not sit in my (drivers ed) vehicle. I did not tell him what to do."
"We had an understanding. He was making a choice, and I was making a choice. His name never appeared on my sign-up sheet again, so I thought it was over," Ziebarth said.
I guess he made a choice too and decided unemployment was worth trying (and failing) to use his his authority to coerce a kid into giving up his first amendment rights.
U aint read it the boy could of rode with other teachers..!!!!he removed himself to not hurt the child..snow flake pc ?
Bruh. Stop using white supremacist language. The ppl who use that phrase dont believe in black gods
FYI... you are talking to a known legit ? .
No offense @blackgod813 - we all have our cross to bear.
That guy is a 34 year old 9th grader -
Im ablackgod813 wrote: »Ziebarth said, "I told him he can make a choice to sit, but as long as you choose to sit, you will not sit in my (drivers ed) vehicle. I did not tell him what to do."
"We had an understanding. He was making a choice, and I was making a choice. His name never appeared on my sign-up sheet again, so I thought it was over," Ziebarth said.
I guess he made a choice too and decided unemployment was worth trying (and failing) to use his his authority to coerce a kid into giving up his first amendment rights.
U aint read it the boy could of rode with other teachers..!!!!he removed himself to not hurt the child..snow flake pc ?
Bruh. Stop using white supremacist language. The ppl who use that phrase dont believe in black gods
FYI... you are talking to a known legit ? .
No offense @blackgod813 - we all have our cross to bear.
Iconoclast an u a sneak disser a sweet snicker ? ? ...im big on storm front they hate the mud race i study caucsians so insult another man im ? ..u 85 who eat hog...i studied the mogg an the gogg ...pusssy ? im wilddd not dumb sean hannity on my radio now... -
blackgod813 wrote: »Ziebarth said, "I told him he can make a choice to sit, but as long as you choose to sit, you will not sit in my (drivers ed) vehicle. I did not tell him what to do."
"We had an understanding. He was making a choice, and I was making a choice. His name never appeared on my sign-up sheet again, so I thought it was over," Ziebarth said.
I guess he made a choice too and decided unemployment was worth trying (and failing) to use his his authority to coerce a kid into giving up his first amendment rights.
U aint read it the boy could of rode with other teachers..!!!!he removed himself to not hurt the child..snow flake pc ?
Bruh. Stop using white supremacist language. The ppl who use that phrase dont believe in black gods
FYI... you are talking to a known legit ? .
No offense @blackgod813 - we all have our cross to bear.
That guy is a 34 year old 9th grader
As for u. U not famous enough on allhiphop to speak to me...anyway we complain to much as a people an dont do enough..stand for the pledge pass the class this victim party u people are on must stop -
Bet that same ? was saying Kap should've been doing his job and focusing on football instead of trying to make a political statement.
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Smh. White boy bout to hit that lick on gofundme tho.
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he will get hired again...dont most schools across the US short on teachers?
