Stephen Hawking: ? was not needed to create the Universe

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too long, didnt read version: worlds smartest man says ? doesnt exist and the universe never needed ? to explain its existence either



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The Big Bang was the result of the inevitable laws of physics and did not need ? to spark the creation of the Universe, Stephen Hawking has concluded. Photo: GETTY



The scientist has claimed that no divine force was needed to explain why the Universe was formed.

In his latest book, The Grand Design, an extract of which is published in Eureka magazine in The Times, Hawking said: “Because there is a law such as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist.”

He added: “It is not necessary to invoke ? to light the blue touch paper and set the Universe going.”

In A Brief History of Time, Prof Hawking's most famous work, he did not dismiss the possibility that ? had a hand in the creation of the world.

He wrote in the 1988 book: "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason — for then we should know the mind of ? .”

In his new book he rejects Sir Isaac Newton's theory that the Universe did not spontaneously begin to form but was set in motion by ? .

In June this year Prof Hawking told a Channel 4 series that he didn't believe that a "personal" ? existed. He told Genius of Britain: "The question is: is the way the universe began chosen by ? for reasons we can't understand, or was it determined by a law of science? I believe the second. If you like, you can call the laws of science '? ', but it wouldn't be a personal ? that you could meet, and ask questions."

Until his retirement last year Prof Hawking was Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at the University of Cambridge, a post previously held by Newton.

The book, co-written by American physicist Leonard Mlodinow, is published on September 9.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7976594/Stephen-Hawking-? -was-not-needed-to-create-the-Universe.html
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  • louis the great
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    That ? needs ? to fix his damn body since his smart ass aint found a way yet.
  • KTULU IS BACK
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    whoah, that thread move was IMMEDIATE

    mods are on their game today
  • KTULU IS BACK
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    That ? needs ? to fix his damn body since his smart ass aint found a way yet.

    he would have died in his thirties if medical science had not come up with the techniques that have kept him alive to old age

    also, people believe in miracles, but there is never any evidence that ? actually heals crippled people or people with missing limbs. know why that is? because miracles arent real and ? doesnt exist.
  • American Loo VII 3D
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    I'd like to ask Hawking who killed hip hop.
  • TX_Made713
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    eh....i wont say nothing....
  • memphis
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    I'd really like some GED having ICer to come in here and try and refute one of the smartest men alive
  • Sourpatch Kid
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    93% of scentist are atheist that disapprove each other every year over things that cannot be scientifically proven.
  • playmaker88
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    hawking_1388171c.jpg

    Seen this article earlier..

    Hawking even has the C'mon Son face.
  • usmarin3
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    I think peoples definition of what ? is, is truly the question.Is it a being, is it energy, is it consciousness,etc. It seems as if most things in life consists of duality, so i doubt there is one source or one being.
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    TX_Made713 wrote: »
    eh....i wont say nothing....

    yeah, this is literally the same thing we were arguing about last year

    difference is, now hawking has a whole book about it

    gonna cop that book
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    usmarin3 wrote: »
    I think peoples definition of what ? is, is truly the question.Is it a being, is it energy, is it consciousness,etc. It seems as if most things in life consists of duality, so i doubt there is one source or one being.

    problem is, when people select a definition for that word, they are just making it up

    they have no observation of any kind of ? , so they are just speculating based on what makes them feel good (or on what is politically expedient)
  • TX_Made713
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    yeah, this is literally the same thing we were arguing about last year

    difference is, now hawking has a whole book about it

    gonna cop that book



    whats the name of the book
  • memphis
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    TX_Made713 wrote: »
    whats the name of the book

    the name of his book is in the article Ktulu posted
  • major pain
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    Hawking has said as much before. It cant be proven or disproven, so...believe what you choose to believe.
  • TX_Made713
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    memphis wrote: »
    the name of his book is in the article Ktulu posted



    i just read it

    The Grand Design


    ill check it out and see what mr. hawkings has to say
  • ThaChozenWun
    ThaChozenWun Members Posts: 9,390
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    This guy is white and a scientist.... doubly whammy.

    Those two therefore prove whatever he says is a lie.
  • memphis
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    If you had the defects that Hawking has, would you believe in a loving ? ?
  • ThaChozenWun
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    memphis wrote: »
    If you had the defects that Hawking has, would you believe in a loving ? ?

    Yes. ? was punishing him for his hatred toward other races. All white people have either a physical deformity or mental deformity, not a coincidence.
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    major pain wrote: »
    It cant be proven or disproven, so...believe what you choose to believe.

    Why does something have to be disproven if it cannot be proven?

    If you are accused of committing a crime (a positive claim, that something happened) and the prosecution cannot prove that you did it, you are considered not guilty.

    If a positive claim is made and cannot be supported, you can safely call it false.
  • memphis
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    Yes. ? was punishing him for his hatred toward other races. All white people have either a physical deformity or mental deformity, not a coincidence.

    You're a racist
  • ThaChozenWun
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    memphis wrote: »
    You're a racist

    No, I'm a realist, there are facts and proof to each of my claims.
  • louis the great
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    This guy is white and a scientist.... doubly whammy.

    Those two therefore prove whatever he says is a lie.

    L m a o


    Well Damn!
  • memphis
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    No, I'm a realist, there are facts and proof to each of my claims.

    if you want to believe that to justify your racism, thats fine with me.
  • ThaChozenWun
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    memphis wrote: »
    if you want to believe that to justify your racism, thats fine with me.

    Do you burn in the sun... yes proof.

    Do you get headaches... yes proof.

    Is it visible when you have dirt on you... Yes even more proof... ? outta here racist.
  • kids in america_
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    too long, didnt read version: worlds smartest man says ? doesnt exist and the universe never needed ? to explain its existence either



    hawking_1388171c.jpg
    The Big Bang was the result of the inevitable laws of physics and did not need ? to spark the creation of the Universe, Stephen Hawking has concluded. Photo: GETTY



    The scientist has claimed that no divine force was needed to explain why the Universe was formed.

    In his latest book, The Grand Design, an extract of which is published in Eureka magazine in The Times, Hawking said: “Because there is a law such as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist.”

    He added: “It is not necessary to invoke ? to light the blue touch paper and set the Universe going.”

    In A Brief History of Time, Prof Hawking's most famous work, he did not dismiss the possibility that ? had a hand in the creation of the world.

    He wrote in the 1988 book: "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason — for then we should know the mind of ? .”

    In his new book he rejects Sir Isaac Newton's theory that the Universe did not spontaneously begin to form but was set in motion by ? .

    In June this year Prof Hawking told a Channel 4 series that he didn't believe that a "personal" ? existed. He told Genius of Britain: "The question is: is the way the universe began chosen by ? for reasons we can't understand, or was it determined by a law of science? I believe the second. If you like, you can call the laws of science '? ', but it wouldn't be a personal ? that you could meet, and ask questions."

    Until his retirement last year Prof Hawking was Lucasian Professor of Mathematics at the University of Cambridge, a post previously held by Newton.

    The book, co-written by American physicist Leonard Mlodinow, is published on September 9.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7976594/Stephen-Hawking-? -was-not-needed-to-create-the-Universe.html

    Well that’s Hawking’s metaphysical preference that ‘g-d’ was not needed to create the Universe. So what? <shrugs>