is it fair to knock Larry Fitzgerald for not producing w/o Bouldin and w/ Max Hall?
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especially when you see someonle like Steve Smith excell with a qb like Jake Delhomme, and his best complementary receiver was muhsin muhammad?
i know the success of a qb often depends on how good his receivers are and the success of a receiver can depend on the qb and what types of talent are around him....but still, nearly every season that Fitzgerald has produced huge numbers, he's had an all pro qb and one of the top wr's in the league playing opposite of him.
Does this help make the case that Fitzgerald is a 'system wr' that needs great talent around him, and that fitzgerald still a great receiver, who unlike maybe Lee Evans or Calvin Johnson, needs that great qb or opposite wr to have huge numbers
i know the success of a qb often depends on how good his receivers are and the success of a receiver can depend on the qb and what types of talent are around him....but still, nearly every season that Fitzgerald has produced huge numbers, he's had an all pro qb and one of the top wr's in the league playing opposite of him.
Does this help make the case that Fitzgerald is a 'system wr' that needs great talent around him, and that fitzgerald still a great receiver, who unlike maybe Lee Evans or Calvin Johnson, needs that great qb or opposite wr to have huge numbers
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housmenzadah...nuff said
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fitz is a top 3 wr easy............. w/ or w/o a great qb or no. 2 wr.
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1)he isn't 100%
2)his QB is max hall. -
No. His QB and team suck...nothin he can do about it. Muhammad led the NFL in receiving yards one season when Smith didn't really play, so having him as your best complimentary receiver isn't a bad thing at all. And Delhomme was never a great QB, but he was good enough to get you the ball. And Fitzgerald was unstoppable the year with the Superbowl run, and that takes real talent.
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maximus preme wrote: »1)he isn't 100%
2)his QB is max hall.
who is his qb?
and of course he isn't 100%, he doesn't have an all pro qb and a pro bowl wr playing opposite of him -
bow to royalty wrote: »No. His QB and team suck...nothin he can do about it. Muhammad led the NFL in receiving yards one season when Smith didn't really play, so having him as your best complimentary receiver isn't a bad thing at all. And Delhomme was never a great QB, but he was good enough to get you the ball. And Fitzgerald was unstoppable the year with the Superbowl run, and that takes real talent.
steve smith won led the league in receptions, rec. yards, and rec. touchdowns in 2005...you know who had the next most receptions on that team? Deshaun foster -
steve smith won led the league in receptions, rec. yards, and rec. touchdowns in 2005...you know who had the next most receptions on that team? Deshaun foster
Steve Smith that year had 1,563 yards and 12 TD's without Muhammad. The year before, Muhammad had 1,405 yards and 16 TD's without Smith. He was 6th in receptions, #1 in yards, and #1 in TD's. So it might be logical to think Delhomme is what was making the WR's look good. He lost his #1 receiver, so he just made the #2 receiver the best in the league. I'm not trying to say Muhammad is better than Smith, but I am saying he shouldn't be looked at like he's a ? #2. -
bow to royalty wrote: »Steve Smith that year had 1,563 yards and 12 TD's without Muhammad. The year before, Muhammad had 1,405 yards and 16 TD's without Smith. He was 6th in receptions, #1 in yards, and #1 in TD's. So it might be logical to think Delhomme is what was making the WR's look good. He lost his #1 receiver, so he just made the #2 receiver the best in the league. I'm not trying to say Muhammad is better than Smith, but I am saying he shouldn't be looked at like he's a ? #2.
lets be real, jake delhomme has never made any receiver look any better than they were, nh... -
Matt u turned down my invite ? ?
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lets be real, jake delhomme has never made any receiver look any better than they were, nh...
A dude you basically disregarded was the best receiver in the NFL under Delhomme. Back to back seasons with the #1 receiver in the NFL, with 2 different receivers, sounds like he was doing sumthin. Or it looks like the system made the receiver. -
bow to royalty wrote: »A dude you basically disregarded was the best receiver in the NFL under Delhomme. Back to back seasons with the #1 receiver in the NFL, with 2 different receivers, sounds like he was doing sumthin. Right now Smith is in a similar situation to Fitzgerald and he's not doin ? (even before getting hurt).
steve smith is coming off a broken arm, and then a pulled hamstring... steve smith is also 4 years older than Fitz, so obviously his skills are diminishing.
and i think fitz is a better receiver, and i think w/o great talent around him fitz isn't going to produce huge numbers. -
steve smith is coming off a broken arm, and then a pulled hamstring... steve smith is also 4 years older than Fitz, so obviously his skills are diminishing.
and i think fitz is a better receiver, and i think w/o great talent around him fitz isn't going to produce huge numbers.
I think he can produce numbers with decent talent around him. Even the Steve Smith of 4 years ago wouldn't be doin anything in the situation he's in right now. In fact Smith's in a better position cuz the Panthers have a run game you gotta respect a lot. -
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Funny ? is when TO was up in Buffalo last year the media and everyone said he fell off, and completely ignored the fact that the Bills had garbage QB's. I don't care how nice you are, if you don't have atleast a solid QB, you're not gonna produce.
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Id like to see how many ? are being thrown his way before judging and then you add the fact that, their QBs now probably dont have the ? to make throws Kurt would and just let Fitz go get it
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rookie qb gotta give it some time, but you would think he would look for his best wr more often. I havent watched any games so i cant really say whos bumming it right now
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Funny ? is when TO was up in Buffalo last year the media and everyone said he fell off, and completely ignored the fact that the Bills had garbage QB's. I don't care how nice you are, if you don't have atleast a solid QB, you're not gonna produce.
Lee Evans had a career year in buffalo w/ JP Lossman as his qb and he had another 1,000 yd season w/ Trent Edwards as his qb. -
andre johnson was having 1,000 yard season w/ david freakin carr as his qb
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its just funny that for year, he was a always mentioned as a top receiver...but can you really be considered as such when you can't produce without another superstar wr playing on the other side of the field with you?
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no b/c one the season isnt over yet and two there are other factors as to why he might not be producing big numbers other than he former WR & QB not being there
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no b/c one the season isnt over yet and two there are other factors as to why he might not be producing big numbers other than he former WR & QB not being there
word, i can agree with that, he'll still probably get his 1,000 yards, but i'm sure his receptions and td numbers will be way down -
No I knew Fitz would have a bad year he's going from a HOF to a scrub that doesn't mean he's become garbage all of a sudden.
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No I knew Fitz would have a bad year he's going from a HOF to a scrub that doesn't mean he's become garbage all of a sudden.
he's far from garbage, i dont think anyone suggested that -
its just funny that for year, he was a always mentioned as a top receiver...but can you really be considered as such when you can't produce without another superstar wr playing on the other side of the field with you?
sounds like you're just a hater. Fitz is still the man. -
Kurt Warner does wonders for a wr's career
