50 or Puffy or JayZ, Who is the most powerful HipHop Rapper/Mogul???
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Fazeem_Blackall
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The true 3 head beast right here all are insanely rich off of making Music and flipping that moneyinto different ventures but who is the biggest and the best at it? Why are they biggest and best in your opinion??? Love them or hate them they have made moves and set the pace for all future hiphop powerhouses...
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Jay-Z sits at the thrown and has been for some time now.
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Jay Hova ya heard
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Out of those three jay
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dalyricalbandit wrote: »Out of those three jay
who else would ou add to the list of Rapper/Moguls??? -
Jay-z since he's down with the illuminati.
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Fazeem Blackall wrote: »who else would ou add to the list of Rapper/Moguls???
master p
russell
birdman -
BackInWhite wrote: »master p
russell
birdman
oh scratch russell
didn't see the rapper part of rapper/mogul -
BackInWhite wrote: »master p
russell
birdman
Master P I could run with a bit as he as many other ventures but what outside of Music is birdman into that would make him a Mogul??? -
My vote goes to Sean Combs, closely followed by Shawn Carter.
Bad Boy Entertainment (Production, Recording, Management & Video directing)
Sean John Clothing
Justin's Restaurant
Blue Flame Marketing
Sean Combs Enterprises
Ciroc Vodka
Broadway Plays
Hollywood Big & Small Screen Films
Party Promotions
Real Estate
Citizen Change (Vote or Die, Politics)
Memberships: American Federation of Television & Radio Artists; American Federation of Musicians; Daddy's House Programs; Sean "Puffy" Combs and Janice Combs Endowed Scholarship Fund, founder.
*Combs also has strong contacts in the rap magazine industry since the early 90's. This may be how BIG got his King of New York title from the Source in 1995.* -
.........lol
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I'll tell u who it aint...
It aint puffy - dude is desperate as ? tryna get a single to save his life, even going as far as saying Ross is Big SMMFH. Makes more money from liquor than hit records, 50 cent bullied him, & ? dont take him seriously, reputation is beat up b/c accusations of how he treats artists. seems like ? got smarter n stopped signing to puff LOL. Extorts ? Money & other ? just so he can look good - hes that fat chick who chills w/ fine ? SMH.
It aint Jay but HEAR ME OUT FIRST !!! jay-z makes MOST of his cash from ? outside of music, yes he makes dope music & is very very good at spittin but remember POWER is influence. ? dont ? w/ jay cuz hes respected & wont say anything anyways, he has NEVER won a battle, & ? respect the paper & beyonce.
50 Cent is the most powerful mogul in Hiphop.... ? has the largest Hiphop site by traffic, obviously theres the sales & business ventures outside of music but lets take a closer look. Machiavelli once said its better to be feared than loved & thats essential to ANY leader/mogul. ? will ? w/ Jay & Puff cuz theyre "safe" but noooo one ? w/ fif. Even at a time where BISD barely sold gold theres plenty of shots ? could send but no one will attempt it. & wen Fif DOES go at someone the whole world stops & listens. Nowadays 50 Cent doesnt even need a record label (got distribution w/ EMI instead) whereas Jay needs Live Nation & other distributing co.s. And if that aint enuff his ? boss is Eminem & Dr.Dre for crying out loud & hes even showed his boldness going at Jimmy Iovine & also "lightly" questioning Dre. He has the streets on smash, 2 BEASTS that he can command at will (Em & Dre), backs up what he says, has sold what Jay did in 4 years what took him 12 years, his roster can out rap most of NY (Banks, Mobb Deep) his right hand man Sha Money holds more weight at Def Jam than his rivals, hes got every lane in music covered. The ? wrote a manual about power w/ the Machiavelli of our time good ? & we gotta ask whos the most powerful ? LOLOL c'mon son...
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@Sion
Diddy's not desperate because his clout is too high for that. His funding apparatus has money to spend and if ? Money is not a success he still has the management arm of Bad Boy Ent., which consists of Rozay & Nicki (two app. Gold selling artists.) When Puff first came on the scene to do interviews in 1994, he stated that his company was not just about recording and production but management and directing as well. He has held true to that. He's still in the game.
Also, Jannelle Monae was critically acclaimed this year. Bad Boy is still on the scene. Been here since 1993. You have to take all of that into account when you assess power. -
Also, as of 2010, Diddy has Jimmy Iovine as a Boss as well. He's claimed 80 million sold for his publishing catalog so he can lean on those past sales like Curtis & Hova.
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I'll tell u who it aint...
It aint puffy - dude is desperate as ? tryna get a single to save his life, even going as far as saying Ross is Big SMMFH. Makes more money from liquor than hit records, 50 cent bullied him, & ? dont take him seriously, reputation is beat up b/c accusations of how he treats artists. seems like ? got smarter n stopped signing to puff LOL. Extorts ? Money & other ? just so he can look good - hes that fat chick who chills w/ fine ? SMH.
It aint Jay but HEAR ME OUT FIRST !!! jay-z makes MOST of his cash from ? outside of music, yes he makes dope music & is very very good at spittin but remember POWER is influence. ? dont ? w/ jay cuz hes respected & wont say anything anyways, he has NEVER won a battle, & ? respect the paper & beyonce.
50 Cent is the most powerful mogul in Hiphop.... ? has the largest Hiphop site by traffic, obviously theres the sales & business ventures outside of music but lets take a closer look. Machiavelli once said its better to be feared than loved & thats essential to ANY leader/mogul. ? will ? w/ Jay & Puff cuz theyre "safe" but noooo one ? w/ fif. Even at a time where BISD barely sold gold theres plenty of shots ? could send but no one will attempt it. & wen Fif DOES go at someone the whole world stops & listens. Nowadays 50 Cent doesnt even need a record label (got distribution w/ EMI instead) whereas Jay needs Live Nation & other distributing co.s. And if that aint enuff his ? boss is Eminem & Dr.Dre for crying out loud & hes even showed his boldness going at Jimmy Iovine & also "lightly" questioning Dre. He has the streets on smash, 2 BEASTS that he can command at will (Em & Dre), backs up what he says, has sold what Jay did in 4 years what took him 12 years, his roster can out rap most of NY (Banks, Mobb Deep) his right hand man Sha Money holds more weight at Def Jam than his rivals, hes got every lane in music covered. The ? wrote a manual about power w/ the Machiavelli of our time good ? & we gotta ask whos the most powerful ? LOLOL c'mon son...
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@Young-Ice
Great post. Sean has a strong presence in Manhattan's theater district and Los Angeles' Hollywood District.
Combs has been a top Mogul since 1995. He outlasted Master P and Russel Simmon's reigns in Music, has stood toe to toe with Mr. Carter since the early 00's and Curtis since 2004.
Keep in mind that Combs is just as feared as Curtis as well. Both have made and broke careers. -
@sionb55
His deals outside of music are dependent on his star power tho.
Not all of them are.
& his star power has been waning for some time now.
No it's not. His billboards are everywhere as well as his music and movies.
Ross is "Big" SMH ?
Yes, he and Nicki are two of the top selling artists this year.
I mean Puff is cool & all but in terms of power he's lost much of what made him a staple in the industry.
No he has not. He's top three in forbes list every year with Jay and Curtis up until recently was there too.
There was once a time when ? feared Puff
They still do. Fif will never physically try Diddy's security team.
there was once a time wen puff could get away w/ treating artists the way he does.
He already got away with it and still is. His artist roster is still long and there are still albums being released. It's been that way since Curtis was being arrested for ? & Jay was runnin' around lookin' for a deal.
50 Cent bullied him wen he was tryna sign Mase
No he did not. He was not able to take Mase from Puff. Puff has gotton a 4 million selling and two Gold albums out of Mase and Mase is still contemplating coming back.
Management is cool & all but he extorting Nicki & Ross as lifelines by trying to capitalize off the past.
No proof. Sean said that management was a focal point of Bad Boy from day one. He's managed Usher, Mary J. and many others who were never signed to BB to much success. Combs is fine in all aspects of Entertainment and he's always been a socialite. He was a party promoter BEFORE becoming an A&R & Exec & still is. There will be 5 CIROC PARTIES ON NEW YEARS and the Vodka's profited greatly from Sean's partnership since 2007 while many rappers and others help to promote the brand. -
Puff is powerful but not nearly as powerful as Jay or Fif.
He is more powerful than both. You have to take into account the entire legacy, holdings and current profits. -
Jay brought Oprah to the hood.......Oprah
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musicology1985 wrote: »@sionb55
His deals outside of music are dependent on his star power tho.
Not all of them are.
& his star power has been waning for some time now.
No it's not. His billboards are everywhere as well as his music and movies.
Ross is "Big" SMH ?
Yes, he and Nicki are two of the top selling artists this year.
I mean Puff is cool & all but in terms of power he's lost much of what made him a staple in the industry.
No he has not. He's top three in forbes list every year with Jay and Curtis up until recently was there too.
There was once a time when ? feared Puff
They still do. Fif will never physically try Diddy's security team.
there was once a time wen puff could get away w/ treating artists the way he does.
He already got away with it and still is. His artist roster is still long and there are still albums being released. It's been that way since Curtis was being arrested for ? & Jay was runnin' around lookin' for a deal.
50 Cent bullied him wen he was tryna sign Mase
No he did not. He was not able to take Mase from Puff. Puff has gotton a 4 million selling and two Gold albums out of Mase and Mase is still contemplating coming back.
Management is cool & all but he extorting Nicki & Ross as lifelines by trying to capitalize off the past.
No proof. Sean said that management was a focal point of Bad Boy from day one. He's managed Usher, Mary J. and many others who were never signed to BB to much success. Combs is fine in all aspects of Entertainment and he's always been a socialite. He was a party promoter BEFORE becoming an A&R & Exec & still is. There will be 5 CIROC PARTIES ON NEW YEARS and the Vodka's profited greatly from Sean's partnership since 2007 while many rappers and others help to promote the brand.
lol ? don't fear diddy -
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"a beaten dog may fear you, but the minute you turn your back it'll strike."
lmao didn't method man get his ass whoop by fat joe? -
lol ? don't fear diddy
? . You already know Diddy's back-story due to all the Pac and Big threads. Curtis stood up to Preme so of course he will talk ? to Diddy as well (who's cool with some of Preme's people.)
Nevertheless, I repeat, Fif will never try Diddy's security team and nor has he ever paper gangstered any artist from Bad Boy. Lox begged to be free and never got free. Shyne did 10 years for Diddy & Steve Stout took a severe beating. -
musicology1985 wrote: »? . You already know Diddy's back-story due to all the Pac and Big threads. Curtis stood up to Preme so of course he will talk ? to Diddy as well (who's cool with some of Preme's people.)
Nevertheless, I repeat, Fif will never try Diddy's security team and nor has he ever paper gangstered any artist from Bad Boy. Lox begged to be free and never got free. Shyne did 10 years for Diddy & Steve Stout took a severe beating.
so saying diddy is the GOAT mogul? -
so saying diddy is the GOAT mogul?
Hands down without a doubt. He may lose the polls online but in the corporate world his fellow execs know what it is. Jay was never really strong as a mogul in Hip Hop other than with his own products and Fif is already starting to fade in Hip Hop. Diddy has been at it from 1990-2010. From Father MC to Rozay, he can't and wont stop. -
musicology1985 wrote: »Hands down without a doubt. He may lose the polls online but in the corporate world his fellow execs know what it is. Jay was never really strong as a mogul in Hip Hop other than with his own products and Fif is already starting to fade in Hip Hop. Diddy has been at it from 1990-2010. From Father MC to Rozay, he can't and wont stop.
what about russell? -
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