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P-Dogg77
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Meet me ? . I do BJJ and i would break all your limbs
BJJ > All other martial arts.
BJJ > All other martial arts.
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It's a well known fact that wrestlers usually dominate bjj guys in mma. Most experts say that wrestling is the best base for a mma career
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It's a well known fact that wrestlers usually dominate bjj guys in mma. Most experts say that wrestling is the best base for a mma career
I do bjj at a local mma gym. We have some wrestlers that are some bad dudes no doubt, but they can get caught by skilled bjj artists. Ultimately, technique is what prevails. -
arbitration wrote: »I do bjj at a local mma gym. We have some wrestlers that are some bad dudes no doubt, but they can get caught by skilled bjj artists. Ultimately, technique is what prevails.
Technique is the most important aspect in BJJ . Wrestlers might be strong but they aren't technical at all. -
Dogg I do boxing.
I dont bend over play spot the brown-eye like you ? do.
Boxing is a real combat sport, remember that.
And respect it.
One punch to the chin dogg thats all it takes. -
Funniest thread ever.
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Dogg I do boxing.
I dont bend over play spot the brown-eye like you ? do.
Boxing is a real combat sport, remember that.
And respect it.
One punch to the chin dogg thats all it takes.
? if you fight someone 1 on 1 there's a 90 % the fight is gonna go to the ground and that's when BJJ comes into play . BJJ is classy , real ? finish fights with submissions. -
? if you fight someone 1 on 1 there's a 90 % the fight is gonna go to the ground and that's when BJJ comes into play . BJJ is classy , real ? finish fights with submissions.
^Ankle grabber post -
*dead* @ this entire thread. Too funny.
*Looks up what BJJ really means.
Oh.
Not so funny any more. Proceed. I'm out. -
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ACL injuries last much longer than a knockout.
What you trying to achieve in a street fight?
Are you trying to put the guy you knock out on the IR list with an ACL tear?
What the ? is her gonna be injured from?
Delivering mail?
Comon dogg street fight or street combat is hand on hand combat, only ? fall and roll around trying to grab eachother hair and ? . -
What you trying to achieve in a street fight?
Are you trying to put the guy you knock out on the IR list with an ACL tear?
What the ? is her gonna be injured from?
Delivering mail?
Comon dogg street fight or street combat is hand on hand combat, only ? fall and roll around trying to grab eachother hair and ? .
If necessary i always try to break my opponents limbs or choke him out . Of course i'd try to take the opponent down and once he's down i'd try to break a limb . Heel hooks hurt like hell too , much more than a punch . -
? if you fight someone 1 on 1 there's a 90 % the fight is gonna go to the ground and that's when BJJ comes into play . BJJ is classy , real ? finish fights with submissions.
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WHo are those experts you're referring to? Wrestlers dominate the UFC because the rules in the US (since that's what you're referring to) and the octagon favor wrestlers. With Pride rules you didn't see wrestlers 'dominate'. You didn't see no wall 'n stall, lay 'pray and other techniques being used to stall a fight.It's a well known fact that wrestlers usually dominate bjj guys in mma. Most experts say that wrestling is the best base for a mma career
Collegiate wrestling is more about controlling an opponent rather than finishing him. BJJ is way more effective than wrestling if we're talking about the effectiveness in a realistic streetfight... -
I box as well but you talking out of your a*s bruh. In a real one vs one streetfight most of the times a fight will end on the ground and obviously the BJJ specialist is in his element on the ground. Another thing I wanna add is it's easier to take a fight to the ground than to keep the fight standing up if your opponent don't want it. I'm speaking from experience.Dogg I do boxing.
I dont bend over play spot the brown-eye like you ? do.
Boxing is a real combat sport, remember that.
And respect it.
One punch to the chin dogg thats all it takes.
You need to respect all combat sports IMHO. -
I fought a guy in my school and i almost dislocated his shoulder with an omoplata . I rarely end fights in real life with submission if im on top that's usually when i just ground and pound but if im on my back then im sure going for that triangle choke.
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Just started BJJ last week. My whole body ? hurts from the ? . Lol. Got a 2nd degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do and did boxing for a year, and military basic training... yet nothing I've ever done has prepared me for this ? .
Love it though. I always feel at home in some sort of combat. -
Yeah obviously I was referring to the ufc because pride doesn't exist anymore.WHo are those experts you're referring to? Wrestlers dominate the UFC because the rules in the US (since that's what you're referring to) and the octagon favor wrestlers. With Pride rules you didn't see wrestlers 'dominate'. You didn't see no wall 'n stall, lay 'pray and other techniques being used to stall a fight.
Collegiate wrestling is more about controlling an opponent rather than finishing him. BJJ is way more effective than wrestling if we're talking about the effectiveness in a realistic streetfight... -
Just started BJJ last week. My whole body ? hurts from the ? . Lol. Got a 2nd degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do and did boxing for a year, and military basic training... yet nothing I've ever done has prepared me for this ? .
Love it though. I always feel at home in some sort of combat.
Wait til' they start letting you do leglocks. That's when ? gets real -
Wrestled in collegen currently doing BJJ and loving it.
Must read for any MMA fan. Article by Dave Camarillo. Posted ot before but it got no replies.
By Dave Camarillo: BJJ Black Belt, Judo Black Belt, Head Grappling Coach at American Kickboxing Academy, Trainer of World Heavy Weight UFC Champion Cain Velasquez
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There are three crucial components for an MMA fighter to be successful.
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I: Technique (know how)
A fighter must display a decent level of technique in order to have any success in MMA. I define technique as gaining leverage by using movements of the body in a planned and skillful manner.
Technique must be developed within all three ranges of fighting: Striking from the feet, Striking/wrestling in the clinch and fighting on the ground in the top and bottom position. If one aspect of fighting is neglected the fighter will develop a hole in their game for their opponents to expose. A fighter must also consistently improve their technique throughout their career. In a sense, the fighter must evolve to face uncompromising challenges from opponents who follow this mindset.
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II: Athleticism (strength, speed, stamina)
A fighter must be athletic enough to push their technique in chaotic situations. If the degree of technical ability is outmatched by an opponent’s athleticism then the fighter loses position maybe even the fight. To counter an opponent’s athleticism a mixture of technique and athleticism is required. Remember: A tired fighter is a non-technical fighter.
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III: Mindset (hard work, smart work)
A fighter must be tireless in their efforts preparing for a fight. They must push themselves as far as any elite caliber athlete. They must live fighting to be a successful fighter putting other aspects of life on hold. They must also be smart about how they train. Technical development requires long hours of drilling parts of the game that are not exciting to drill. But the smart fighter accepts this as part of the lifestyle.
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Fighting Arts:
Now that we understand the ground rules for creating a great fighter we must then, as prompted, ask ourselves what style is best for creating such a fighter?
I tend to look at things in a mathematical sense. So in choosing ‘the best’ art to start with I will look at the three most common and see how they stack up with the demands of today’s MMA fighter.
Muay Thai:
This is arguably the greatest striking art in existence. It is technical, builds athleticism and hardens a fighter. In all three categories it excels. The major issue for choosing it as a starting art is, besides the clinch, has very little applicable grappling technique. With that it takes a hit in the technique category as well as building grappling athleticism.
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu:
BJJ is probably the most technical art in MMA. It teaches the student to use leverage over an opponent from virtually every ground position. It enables a fighter to finish a fight from almost everywhere including the standing position. Because of this it is the most versatile of the arts.
My main issue with BJJ as being the ‘best’ art lies in how technical it is. There is a simple rule: The more technical the more lazy a student will be. Why? MMA is a very athletic sport. Years and years of relaxation in training teaches the body to be too relaxed. The problem with that is it makes it hard for the fighter to deal with scrambles and being in the bottom position in a fight. The BJJ’er must move more in MMA than in a BJJ match, the requirements are more intense.
Another issue with BJJ is its lack of takedowns. Most BJJ classes are 90-95% ground techniques. There are many BJJ and Abu-Dhabi World Champions than can barely take an opponent down. This is a major mark against BJJ as the best starting art.
Wrestling:
I choose wrestling as the best “one art” for an MMA background. It excels in every area I have outlined. It is a very technical art, it creates tremendous athleticism and the hardest workers in the business. At The American Kickboxing Academy we have a bunch of top wrestlers in MMA. Training them is very easy. Their bodies always say yes, there minds understand a hard work ethic and they develop in other areas so rabidly because of this.
Wrestling is a remarkable art. Since I have been at AKA Koscheck has been the only wrestler submitted with me in the corner, and that was more due to knock out then the actual choke. Like I have always said, defense is easier than offense. It is easier to teach a new wrestler to avoid submission than it is to coach a BJJ Black Belt into one on a high level opponent. And since they can dictate where the fight takes place they have a huge advantage against most opponents.
Conclusion:
To conclude I would like to take a look at the evidence. Lets look at the current UFC weight divisions and their champions (pre-WEC dismantle). Whether it is their background or the main reason for their success wrestling dominates as the key to current MMA stardom.
155: Frankie Edgar (wrestling)
170: Georges Saint Pierre (Wrestling)
185: Anderson Silva (Muay Thai)
205: Mauricio Rua (Muay Thai)
265+: Cain Velasquez (Wrestling)
When choosing a method one should ask whether or not that method prepares the student to easily pick up other arts. This is especially important in MMA. Because of the work load, technical ability and situational awareness I find it much easier for a student with a background in wrestling to pick up striking and Jiu-Jitsu versus one that has a background in BJJ learning wrestling and striking. Wrestling also is the greatest scrambling art around. It prepares the fighter for quick uncontrolled movement experienced in MMA. That mind set also makes it easier for the wrestler to transition between arts in a fight. These are crucial points on the importance of wrestling.
As a coach I came into AKA with the mindset that BJJ was the best art. But to be honest that was not a fair assessment. The reason being was because I was not just a BJJ student. I started with a far more aggressive and complete grappling art with Judo. In a few years of BJJ training I was already tapping Black Belts. My early success was because of the same reason I credit wrestlers today. I used to smash Jon Fitch and Josh Koscheck when they started training with me. Now they have surpassed my abilities. In a very short time I might add.
A wrestler is an incredible machine. They rarely lose their focus, they learn at an incredible rate and they are used to high-level competition. One of the biggest complaints I get in my BJJ program is students having to train with the wrestlers in class.* This isn’t because my students get hurt, it is more because they get smashed by them.
I recently took one of my students-a national champion wrestler- to the 2010 Pan Championships. It was his first gi tournament, he fought two weight categories above his fight weight and had only worked with me for about a year. Eight matches later he won his Blue Belt division and received his Purple Belt. For an art to prove itself it can’t just do it in one arena. A BJJ’er would get destroyed in a Wrestling tournament. They would have a similar result in Judo. But wrestlers have done well in all combative sports. I have seen it in Judo, I have seen it in BJJ and Submission wrestling. They can excel in any environment and will continue to display their dominance in MMA today and tomorrow! -
Still it's about the practitioner too and the guy who said that UFC favors wrestling is actually right . Wrestlers are usually good at laying and praying and countering submission but they get caught every now and then.
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but they get caught every now and then.
Chael Sonnen hahaha. Poor guy.
read the article I posted you ? .
