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  • Mrslim1
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    Wilder vs Ortiz already off . King Kong is on the juice.
  • MR.CJ
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    Mrslim1 wrote: »
    Wilder vs Ortiz already off . King Kong is on the juice.


    Smh
  • Mastery
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    Mrslim1 wrote: »
    Wilder vs Ortiz already off . King Kong is on the juice.

    WTF!?!?!?

    I hate these ? always trying to cheat to gain an advantage. Like wow! Wilder gonna be ? , especially considering Povetkin popped positive for a banned drug as well before their scheduled fight last year.

    Ortiz a scary ? for that. Smmfh.
  • Arya Tsaddiq
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  • Mastery
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    @JLacey

    It looks like your boy Ortiz wasn't as confident of that victory as you were haha cheatin' ass ? .
  • buttuh_b
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    So this the second time Ortiz failed a drug test?
  • Mastery
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    http://www.boxingscene.com/luis-ortiz-fails-drug-test-deontay-wilder-fight-doubt--120926

    BoxingScene.com has been informed, however, that Ortiz and his camp are adamant that his positive test is a direct result of taking Losartan/HCTZ (Hydrochlorothiazide). Losartan is a drug typically prescribed to treat high blood pressure and kidney disease in patients with type 2 diabetes


    Now Ortiz a diabetic? haha Was he a diabetic last time he failed a drug test?

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  • stringer bell
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    http://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-ortiz-f-up-our-fight-by-using-peds-again--120691
    Wilder to Ortiz: Don't F*** Up Our Fight By Using PEDs Again!
    By Keith Idec

    NEW YORK – Deontay Wilder is still suspicious of Luis Ortiz.

    No matter how much Ortiz is tested, Wilder won’t completely believe the unbeaten Cuban southpaw is PED-free until they fight November 4. The WBC heavyweight champion promised Wednesday that he’ll be able to truly tell that night, based on Ortiz’s performance against him, if the challenger used performance-enhancing drugs while preparing for their title fight at Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

    The huge, hard-hitting champion just hopes Ortiz learned an unforgettable lesson from the PED problem that cost Ortiz the WBA interim heavyweight title he won by knocking out Lateef Kayode in the first round three years ago. The Nevada State Athletic Commission suspended Ortiz for eight months because he tested positive for Nandrolone, an anabolic steroid, in a ? sample provided prior to the Kayode fight.

    “I would’ve been up for that challenge years ago, when we first brought this up,” Wilder said Wednesday during a press conference to officially announce their fight. “But we already know what happened. So this time, Luis Ortiz, don’t f*** it up! Stay clean, because we’ll be checking. Stay clean. Don’t f***this up for me, nor you, because I’m gonna prove to the world that I am the best.”

    Wilder was wary of boxing Ortiz in the recent past because of his history with PEDs. The last thing the American knockout artist wants is to have another important fight canceled due to an opponent’s PED use.

    When the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association revealed Russia’s Alexander Povetkin tested positive for meldonium less than a week before Wilder was supposed to make a mandatory title defense against Povetkin in Moscow, their May 2016 fight was canceled and it cost Wilder a $4.5 million purse. He successfully sued Povetkin and promoter Andrey Ryabinskiy in a Manhattan federal court seven months ago, but after that civil trial the last thing Wilder wants to do is waste more time and money.

    The Tuscaloosa, Alabama, native admitted Wednesday, however, that the possibility of his fight against Ortiz getting canceled due to a positive PED test is in the back of his mind.

    “I pray to ? that don’t happen,” Wilder said. “That’s a big concern of mines. But if he do [take PEDs], I will know. I’ve got people all over the world. If he do, I will know if he’s cheating. I will know if he’s doing PEDs. A lot of these guys in the heavyweight division does it. They don’t even know. They don’t even know. I know. I know. But I ain’t here to rat ‘em out.

    “My thing is, the advice is because the heavyweight division is so small, my thing is to just advise them and give them advice. Stop it. Just stop. Just stop. Just go off of your own natural ability and just work yourself up there. Don’t stick no needles, don’t take no pills, or act like you didn’t know what was in there, or you didn’t know they were putting [it in there]. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. Just stop it. People wanna have that come-up because they seen other former champions that done it, and get caught – or become champ, and then get caught. Because a lot of them don’t get caught.”


    Wilder and his handlers are more comfortable boxing Ortiz now because to fight for a WBC title, boxers must be enrolled in the Mexico City-based sanctioning organization’s Clean Boxing Program, run by VADA.

    Ortiz (27-0, 23 KOs, 2 NC) wanted to replace Poland’s Andrzej Wawrzyk as Wilder’s opponent for his February 25 fight in Birmingham, Alabama. After Wawrzyk failed a VADA test for Stanozolol, an anabolic steroid, Wilder wasn’t about to fight Ortiz on less than a month’s notice because anyone he fights moving forward must be tested regularly to ensure that his opponents are clean.

    “On short notice, we didn’t wanna run the risk of anything, when there couldn’t be testing for the fight,” said Lou DiBella, Wilder’s promoter. “And by the way, you weren’t gonna fight Luis Ortiz on three weeks’ notice. The people who were yelling about that and criticized Deontay for that were psychos. Seriously, just nuts.”


    Instead, Wilder (38-0, 37 KOs) stopped previously undefeated Gerald Washington (18-2-1, 12 KOs) that night in Birmingham. In his first fight since beating Washington by fifth-round technical knockout, the 32-year-old Wilder was more than willing to fight Ortiz within a normal time frame because they’ll be tested randomly before and immediately following their “Showtime Championship Boxing” main event.

    “Especially with VADA, they catching ‘em,” Wilder said. “I love working with VADA. I love it. Because they’ll surprise you. They’ll act like they going home and tell you they going home, and show up at your ass early, 5 o’clock in the morning. It brings me back to my Olympic days. You had to get up 4 o’clock, 5 o’clock in the morning, open the door and you don’t know who it is. It might be a little piece coming through, but it’s VADA people.”

    His confidence in VADA notwithstanding, Wilder remains troubled by what he considers a PED epidemic in boxing. With so much money and history at stake, particularly when one fights an undefeated heavyweight champion, the outspoken champion realizes it’s not a problem that will go away any time soon.

    That’s why Wilder will approach these next six weeks with some trepidation. The defending champion is well aware that the 38-year-old Ortiz, though talented and undefeated, must knock him off if Ortiz wants to make major money in the twilight of a pro career that didn’t begin until he was 30.

    “I just hope he don’t f*** this up for so many people that are expecting this fight,” Wilder said. “I ain’t lying, I’m kinda scared for that, to be honest. I’m giving the guy a chance. I knew he was doing it back then. It was brought to me and it was true. So that was the only reason why Ortiz started having a little animosity towards me, because he say I talk too much. I talk the truth, because you did what you did. But we are forgiving. Boxing is forgiving. Look where they got Povetkin. Povetkin, didn’t he fight for the WBA belt or something like that? What happened? He’s back in.”

    Povetkin tested positive for a PED again – this time Ostarine, an anabolic steroid – prior to his next fight against former WBC champion Bermane Stiverne. Johann Duhaupas replaced Stiverne the day before he was supposed to box Povetkin on December 17 in Ekaterinburg, Russia, where Povetkin viciously knocked out Duhaupas in the sixth round.

    Two-and-a-half months later, the WBC suspended Povetkin for one year from any of its sanctioned fights and fined him $250,000 for those two positive PED tests. That didn’t stop the 38-year-old Povetkin (32-1, 23 KOs) from winning WBA and WBO regional titles by beating Andriy Rudenko in his last fight, July 1 in Moscow.

    Wilder considers that unfortunate proof that boxers aren’t being punished nearly enough for positive PED tests.

    “I know he know how severe this is,” Wilder said, referring to Ortiz. “If he’s really talking about gaining this title and really is serious about beating me, and wanting [to] be the first Cuban champion, then he will do the right thing and take the right protocols to just stay clean. We’ve seen he lost a lot of weight. A lot of questions are being thrown around. Why so much weight loss? I wanna know what his mentality is gonna be in the ring when he knows he can’t use [PEDs]. You know what I mean?”



    Wilder told this ? King Roid to got off the juice before the fight...
  • stringer bell
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    http://www.boxingscene.com/wilders-handlers-considering-ortiz-replacements-november-4--120936
    Wilder’s Handlers Considering Ortiz Replacements for November 4
    By Keith Idec

    Denotay Wilder’s managers, promoter Lou DiBella and adviser Al Haymon will spend Friday solidifying a plan B for the WBC heavyweight champion now that Luis Ortiz has failed a performance-enhancing drug test.

    An official announcement hasn’t been made, but Wilder (38-0, 37 KOs) isn’t expected to move forward with his title defense against Ortiz (27-0, 23 KOs, 2 NC) because the Cuban southpaw has tested positive for banned diuretics that can be used as masking agents for PEDs. The Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency, which performs testing for the WBC’s “Clean Boxing Program,” informed all parties Thursday that Ortiz tested positive for hlorothiazide and hydrochlorothiazide in a ? test taken September 22.


    Mauricio Sulaiman, the WBC’s president, revealed that Ortiz failed a test through Twitter early Friday morning

    Wilder, who expressed concern at a press conference last week about Ortiz possibly testing positive, could decide to make a mandatory defense of his title against former champion Bermane Stiverne on November 4.

    The 31-year-old Wilder went out of his way to push back that bout because he wanted a more challenging, meaningful fight and because television executives expressed little interest in televising a Wilder-Stiverne rematch. Wilder won their first fight convincingly to take the WBC belt from Stiverne in January 2015 in Las Vegas.

    Showtime televised the Wilder-Stiverne fight and was set to broadcast Wilder-Ortiz.

    The 38-year-old Stiverne (25-2-1, 21 KOs) has fought just once since Wilder defeated him. Derric Rossy dropped Stiverne in the first round of that November 2015 bout and Stiverne struggled on his way to winning a 10-round unanimous decision in Las Vegas.

    The WBC still elevated him into its No. 1 spot and made him its mandatory challenger for Wilder, of Tuscaloosa, Alabama.

    Stiverne is training, though, because he is scheduled to face Dominic Breazeale (18-1, 16 KOs) on Wilder’s undercard November 4. The Haitian-born, Las Vegas-based contender was paid a six-figure fee to step aside and allow the Wilder-Ortiz fight to take place.
  • Arya Tsaddiq
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    This hurts tho.

    I was rooting for Ortiz too. But I can't rock with ? cheating.
  • JLacey
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    Mastery wrote: »
    @JLacey

    It looks like your boy Ortiz wasn't as confident of that victory as you were haha cheatin' ass ? .

    Lol oh so he my boy now since I picked him to win? Still think he would have gotten that W without roids but ? that ? he a ?
  • Mastery
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  • buttuh_b
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    Wall you must be short cause I was standing right next to DSG in the club out here in Philly and I swear he shorter than me. I'm 5'8". Did you ask him who he trying to fight next or bring up cherries?? Haaa
  • Mastery
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    buttuh_b wrote: »
    Wall you must be short cause I was standing right next to DSG in the club out here in Philly and I swear he shorter than me. I'm 5'8". Did you ask him who he trying to fight next or bring up cherries?? Haaa

    I'm 5'8 myself so Idk what that's about haha

    But yeah, he fighting again in December. He actually out here in LA to finalize some ? for the fight. He invited me to a party he throwing this weekend too. He said he shootin for the Thurman rematch next year.
  • buttuh_b
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    Mastery wrote: »
    buttuh_b wrote: »
    Wall you must be short cause I was standing right next to DSG in the club out here in Philly and I swear he shorter than me. I'm 5'8". Did you ask him who he trying to fight next or bring up cherries?? Haaa

    I'm 5'8 myself so Idk what that's about haha

    But yeah, he fighting again in December. He actually out here in LA to finalize some ? for the fight. He invited me to a party he throwing this weekend too. He said he shootin for the Thurman rematch next year.

    I ain't gonna lie.. I was ? as ? that night thinking to myself I could knock his small ass the ? out if I gave him a sucker punch right now so maybe that was just the alcohol talking to me haaaa... henny stay having me on some violent ? for no reason.. but yea I saw he posted about that party on IG
  • Mastery
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    Mr.LV wrote: »
    Damn it seems like every time Wilder steps up his competition these guys are caught juicing smh.

    I forgot Wilder was supposed to fight Andrzej Wawrzyk too and he failed a drug test as well. So Wilder last 3 opponents were all juicing haha.
  • aneed123
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    Mastery wrote: »
    Mr.LV wrote: »
    Damn it seems like every time Wilder steps up his competition these guys are caught juicing smh.

    I forgot Wilder was supposed to fight Andrzej Wawrzyk too and he failed a drug test as well. So Wilder last 3 opponents were all juicing haha.

    3 ? he spose 2 fought were in roids povetkin and ortiz 2 its ? up
  • Mastery
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    ? really not that confident they can beat Wilder straight up.
  • stringer bell
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    Mastery wrote: »
    ? really not that confident they can beat Wilder straight up.

    They’re scared of that Alabama “uppercup” from Wilder…
  • Elzo69Renaissance
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    man just throw that ? in w Joshua and lets keep it moving