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  • playmaker88
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    farris2k1 wrote: »
    If they change the way they protest it wont matter, cacs will still say "do it on your own time" so it really doesnt matter at this point what they do if they keep doing it while in uniform, ppl will still complain

    exactly...it will never be the right time for a black man to stand up for something if you wait for white people approval on how to do it, when to do it, why you doing it.....

    preach there must never be compromise. their feeling and sensitivities shouldn't be considered
  • thegreatunknown
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    marc123 wrote: »
    Im happy Kaep is taking em to court. Dude is a fighter. Atleast he is showing the owners he aint no push over n they cant do what ever tf they want.

    Take that ? to trial

    Yes, but keep in mind it will probably go to arbitration first, which is private and is typically subject to a different procedural standard. Now, if he loses in arbitration he can file a lawsuit against the NFL in court, most likely Federal court...

    That is where the ? will hit the fan for the NFL. Once in Federal court it all becomes public. Pretrial discovery comes into play, and the NFL does not want a public discussion that even hints at evidence showing even the most minute proof of owners colluding against Kap. I'm not talking about moronic public statements, I'm talking about emails, memos any directives, witnesses etc...

    Last thing the NFL wants is some assistant or office manager, on a stand testifying under oath that they witnessed owners and GM's discussing how they would all refuse to sign Kap. Furthermore, other ancillary issues could come out that the NFL and owners have tried to sweep under the rug.

    The owners have opened Pandora's Box. Even if Kap loses, the collateral damage will be significant. Their attempt to suppress 1st Amendment rights to protect their bottom line, will ultimately damage their bottom line...
  • stringer bell
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    http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/jaguars/2017-10-15/boycott-jags-banner-flies-above-everbank-field-jaguars-game
    ‘Boycott Jags' banner flies above EverBank Field before Jaguars game

    Before the Jaguars took the field Sunday, a plane took to the skies above EverBank Field and Jacksonville’s downtown with a message for fans:

    “Be American. Boycott the Jags & the NFL.”

    A banner with the message was seen high above the stadium more than two hours before Sunday’s kickoff between the Jaguars and Los Angeles Rams, the first home game since the Jaguars took a stand in London on Sept. 24, two days after President Trump’s suggestion that protesting players should be fired for kneeling during the playing of the national anthem.

    In London, Jaguars owner Shad Khan joined his players along the sideline during the anthem and linked arms with the players standing on either side of him. Some Jaguars players – as well as some from opponent Baltimore Ravens – joined more than 130 other NFL players who sat, knelt or raised their fists in protest before games that day.

    At a conference in Chicago on Friday, Khan called Trump “the great divider.”

    “What [Trump] has done is shown leadership as the great divider, not uniter. We are used to being warm and fuzzy and cuddled. Well, it’s a different time,” Crain’s Chicago Business, which hosted the event, quoted Khan as saying.

    Crain’s quoted Khan as saying, that because of Trump, “politics and the Western World will never be the same again.” And that, “a lot of the stuff like football [that] Trump does is highly calculated — he looks for issues that you can touch and it will blow people up.”

    NFL owners are planning to meet this week in New York, where the national anthem will be a key topic of discussion. The Associated Press obtained a memo to owners from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell saying that the anthem issue is dividing the league from its fans and that the league needs “to move past this controversy.”


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  • stringer bell
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    http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/jaguars/2017-10-13/jaguars-owner-shad-khan-calls-president-trump-great-divider
    Jaguars owner Shad Khan calls President Trump ‘The Great Divider’

    Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan, who linked arms with his players last month following inflammatory remarks by President Donald Trump, reportedly took on the president Friday, calling him “the great divider.”

    Khan spoke at a conference put on by Crain’s Chicago Business, which reported on the event. A spokesman for Khan confirmed he attended the Chicago event and said the reporting of Khan’s remarks by Crain’s was accurate.

    “What [Trump] has done is shown leadership as the great divider, not uniter. We are used to being warm and fuzzy and cuddled. Well, it’s a different time,” the weekly business publication quoted Khan as saying.

    Crain’s quoted Khan as saying that because of Trump, “politics and the Western World will never be the same again.” And that, “a lot of the stuff like football [that] Trump does is highly calculated — he looks for issues that you can touch and it will blow people up.”

    It was at a Sept. 22 campaign rally in Huntsville, Ala., that Trump said National Football League owners should fire players who do not stand for the national anthem. He used profanity in referring to players protesting social injustice.

    Khan said Friday, “You have to give Trump credit, people are confused on the First Amendment versus patriotism, that if you exercise your First Amendment you’re not a patriot, which is crazy. … People are confused on it, [Trump] knew he could hit on it and take advantage. I think what we’re seeing is the great divider overcoming the great uniter.”

    On Sept. 24, more than 130 NFL players sat, knelt or raised their fists before that Sunday’s games, the first following Trump’s suggestion that protesting players should be fired. That day’s first contest was the Jaguars’ game against the Baltimore Ravens in London. There, Khan joined his players along the sideline during the anthem and linked arms with the players standing on either side of him.

    Khan said Friday, “I had heard from a lot of the players what their feelings were, how offended they were [by Trump’s comments] and what they were going to do and my concern was that they don’t do anything to hurt themselves,” he said. “We wanted to do something as a team, because a team divided against itself cannot stand.”

    Khan, who donated $1 million toward Trump’s inaugural committee, also reportedly spoke about what he termed the divisive nature of the political advice Trump receives.

    Crain’s quoted him as saying, “Steve Bannon or whoever is analyzing the data realizes, ‘How do I get elected?’ I get elected by dividing this person or this group against this group. What are the worst fears, phobias somebody has, how do I tap that button and get them with my people? There’s a lot of predictive behavior here.”

    Among Khan’s other remarks, as reported by Crain’s:“The root cause [of gun violence in Chicago and Detroit] is there aren’t good jobs. We focus on 40-year-old and 50-year-old white guys that are unemployed, (but) these are minority kids in inner cities, and Trump has hit on this. That is a hot button issue for us, our politicians haven’t addressed. … Unless that is addressed and we create jobs, we’re going to have all this unrest.”

    “So whenever you get down to it, [diversity is] good business. And if you haven’t looked at all the candidates, you haven’t found the best candidate, and it shouldn’t be reverse discrimination either. If I can get it out to a simple point: diversity is better business.”

    Khan also recalled at the conference unflattering remarks about league owners made to him years ago as he was attempting to buy an NFL franchise. He said he was told, “You’ve got a bunch of 85-year-old guys who don’t think they’re racist, but they are racist.” Khan, who grew up in Pakistan, became the NFL’s first and only non-white owner when he took over the Jaguars in January 2012.

    Less than six years later, Khan is heavily involved in league management. He is chairman of its Business Ventures Committee and sits on three other committees: NFL Network, Health and Safety, and Finance.

    NFL owners are to meet Tuesday and Wednesday in New York, and the league’s spokesman has said the national anthem will be a key topic of discussion. The Associated Press obtained a memo to owners from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell saying that the anthem issue is dividing the league from its fans and that the league needs “to move past this controversy.”

    The AP said Goodell wrote, “The controversy over the anthem is a barrier to having honest conversations and making real progress on the underlying issues. We need to move past this controversy, and we want to do that together with our players.”

    The controversy has lingered in part due to the actions of Vice President Mike Pence, who left a Sunday game in Indianapolis after players knelt, and Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, who threatened to bench players who protest during the anthem. President Trump used Twitter to express his support for Jones and to reveal that Pence left the game at his instruction.
  • stringer bell
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wd-91b0rpA

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/skip-bayless-colin-kaepernick-filing-a-grievance-against-nfl-is-a-last-desperate-act/
    Skip Bayless: Colin Kaepernick Filing a Grievance Against NFL is ‘A Last Desperate Act’

    On Sunday, former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick announced — through attorney Mark Geragos — that he’s filing a grievance against the NFL. Kaepernick, who remains a free agent, is alleging that teams have colluded to keep him out of the league.

    Monday on Undisputed, Skip Bayless said he believes that the former San Francisco signal caller’s legal maneuver amounts to little more than a Hail Mary of sorts to try to get back in the NFL. Calling it “a last, desperate act,” Bayless thinks the grievance might dash any hope Kaepernick has of getting signed.

    “Whatever bridge was left, I think you just burned it to the ground,” Bayless said.


    Undisputed co-host Shannon Sharpe agreed.

    “Not only did you burn the bridge, you destroyed the earth so no one else can build a bridge to help you back across,” Sharpe said.

    Bayless has spoken out in support of Colin Kaepernick’s protest against racial and social oppression, during which he knelt for the National Anthem throughout the 2016 season. And he believes that collusion between at least two teams did take place to freeze Kaepernick out of football. But he also thinks Kaepernick will have a difficult time proving his case.

    To that end, Bayless criticized Kapernick for hiring Geragos — who has represented Michael Jackson, Scott Peterson, and Gary Condit among others — to represent him. Bayless dismissed Geragos as a “celebrity attorney,” and said he was surprised Kapernick didn’t opt for a labor law specialist.

    “It smacks of just wanting a settlement,” Bayless said.


    Skip is finally showing his true colorcolors on the Kap situation...
  • blackrain
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wd-91b0rpA

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/skip-bayless-colin-kaepernick-filing-a-grievance-against-nfl-is-a-last-desperate-act/
    Skip Bayless: Colin Kaepernick Filing a Grievance Against NFL is ‘A Last Desperate Act’

    On Sunday, former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick announced — through attorney Mark Geragos — that he’s filing a grievance against the NFL. Kaepernick, who remains a free agent, is alleging that teams have colluded to keep him out of the league.

    Monday on Undisputed, Skip Bayless said he believes that the former San Francisco signal caller’s legal maneuver amounts to little more than a Hail Mary of sorts to try to get back in the NFL. Calling it “a last, desperate act,” Bayless thinks the grievance might dash any hope Kaepernick has of getting signed.

    “Whatever bridge was left, I think you just burned it to the ground,” Bayless said.


    Undisputed co-host Shannon Sharpe agreed.

    “Not only did you burn the bridge, you destroyed the earth so no one else can build a bridge to help you back across,” Sharpe said.

    Bayless has spoken out in support of Colin Kaepernick’s protest against racial and social oppression, during which he knelt for the National Anthem throughout the 2016 season. And he believes that collusion between at least two teams did take place to freeze Kaepernick out of football. But he also thinks Kaepernick will have a difficult time proving his case.

    To that end, Bayless criticized Kapernick for hiring Geragos — who has represented Michael Jackson, Scott Peterson, and Gary Condit among others — to represent him. Bayless dismissed Geragos as a “celebrity attorney,” and said he was surprised Kapernick didn’t opt for a labor law specialist.

    “It smacks of just wanting a settlement,” Bayless said.


    Skip is finally showing he’s true colorcolors on the Kap situation...

    Nah that's just an analysis of the situation. Who you hire to rep you does matter...and yeah if he loses this then there's little to no chance he gets signed again. Its a shot he's willing to take and I hope he's successful but if it goes left its a wrap
  • dnyce215
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    He is forcing their hand, they have no choice but to cooperate. It goes past arbitration NFL will have a big problem. Let’s see how this goes when the depositions come in
  • The Lonious Monk
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    Beating players up for not kneeling anymore is dumb. The protest isn't working. It's been turned into something else. They need to find a new way. Something like not answering any questions at the post game pressers and instead only talking about police brutality (i.e., spitting stats and offering solutions). It would still be civil disobedience because the league wants them to take the pressers seriously, but no one would be able to twist it into something it's not because the meaning would be clear and they wouldn't be stepping on any ? symbols.

    Did it turn to something else or are you following the meaning they gave it?

    I'm sure the players are still doing it for the right reason, but the narrative has been successfully deflected. The protests are on the TV everyday and they don't even talk about the actual thing being protested anymore. All the coverage and discussion is now about respecting the flag/anthem and military. Once a protest has been derailed like that, continuing with it in the same form is pointless. It's better to redefine it to reclaim the original purpose.
    It's more on the viewer. You are choosing to look at those outlets that are not reporting on what the protests are about. The players continue to speak of what the protests are about, but of course the opposition will get more exposure from sources like Fox news and the owners are the ones with the power as is Trump to
    twist the narrative. Players have done a great job of bringing attention to the issues, but no matter what they do their will be resistance. This is the biggest form of protest in modern times and the average person marching in the street can not bring awareness like these NFL players can.

    You guys are trying to paint it as if I'm attacking I'm the players. I'm not. I'm just acknowledging reality. Are there some places you can go to get insight on the real message? Sure, but those avenues are probably only known by people who already buy into the message. That makes the protests pointless because a protest is not intended to raise awareness for those who already agree.

    You don't protest for the sake of protesting. You protest to effect change. If enemies of your movement are successful in derailing your protest, it's counterproductive for you to get in a battle of wills over the nature of the protest. It's smarter beat them by changing your protest to recapture your original purpose. We all agree that it's ? that people have made this about something that it wasn't about. But they did what they did. People can't just stick their heads in the sand and act as if that's not the case. They have to adapt.

    an thats why you keep doing it.

    anyone can come along an change the protest for anything. that doesnt mean to stop doing it.

    no other protests were challenged like this. it speaks to how the country really feels about black people if they want to make it about something else than what it truly is.

    they dont care about your black ass nor mine...all they want is entertainment. an thats what they are saying you are there for....their entertainment.

    they dont care about the injuries, the hold outs or any of that.

    ? go out there an win one for us. but just dont move to my block or date my daughter or concern me with your problems.

    None of what you said counters my point. I'm not suggesting they stop protesting. I'm saying they should switch it up to refresh and recenter. The current discussion does nothing to further the cause. And I'm pretty sure every major protest by blacks has faced derailment attempts. Yes, some whites will continue to oppose no matter what is done. That doesn't mean you double down on an ineffective strategy. I'm not saying they shouldn't continue to kneel. I'm a fan of ? off racists and ? too. I just think someone should be coming up with the next move.
  • thegreatunknown
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    Many of these "celebrity attorneys" are some of the best at what they do. Regardless of their image, there's a reason that they are hired by wealthy people to represent them in court...they know how to try a case. Skips dismissal is based on ignorance.

    They know the Fed rules of evidence cold, know how to maneuver through civil or criminal procedure, are good at telling a story to a jury, and have unlimited resources.

    Remember, many people said Johnnie Cochran was simply a "celebrity attorney" and he's one the greatest defense attorneys to ever set foot in a courtroom..
  • blackrain
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    Many of these "celebrity attorneys" are some of the best at what they do. Regardless of their image, there's a reason that they are hired by wealthy people to represent them in court...they know how to try a case. Skips dismissal is based on ignorance.

    They know the Fed rules of evidence cold, know how to maneuver through civil or criminal procedure, are good at telling a story to a jury, and have unlimited resources.

    Remember, many people said Johnnie Cochran was simply a "celebrity attorney" and he's one the greatest defense attorneys to ever set foot in a courtroom..

    They only have resources as far as their client is willing or able to pay. That's far from unlimited. And its the perception that even if you get off you did it due to legal maneuvering not actual innocence...and we all know that being guilty in a court of law and guilty in court of public opinion are very different especially when your livelihood is dependent on public opinion. Look at OJ or R.Kelly. both found innocent but how many people actually think they didn't commit the crimes they're accused of?

    ? I hope that Kaep can find just the one piece of evidence needed to prove a case of collusion but you also have to have realistic expectations of the ability to actually prove it. And he's essentially doing the legal version of pulling up from half court...
  • thegreatunknown
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    blackrain wrote: »
    Many of these "celebrity attorneys" are some of the best at what they do. Regardless of their image, there's a reason that they are hired by wealthy people to represent them in court...they know how to try a case. Skips dismissal is based on ignorance.

    They know the Fed rules of evidence cold, know how to maneuver through civil or criminal procedure, are good at telling a story to a jury, and have unlimited resources.

    Remember, many people said Johnnie Cochran was simply a "celebrity attorney" and he's one the greatest defense attorneys to ever set foot in a courtroom..

    They only have resources as far as their client is willing or able to pay. That's far from unlimited. And its the perception that even if you get off you did it due to legal maneuvering not actual innocence...and we all know that being guilty in a court of law and guilty in court of public opinion are very different especially when your livelihood is dependent on public opinion. Look at OJ or R.Kelly. both found innocent but how many people actually think they didn't commit the crimes they're accused of?

    ? I hope that Kaep can find just the one piece of evidence needed to prove a case of collusion but you also have to have realistic expectations of the ability to actually prove it. And he's essentially doing the legal version of pulling up from half court...

    Fair point about the resources, but I meant in that context of what the client could pay. The "celebrity" firms have advantages other firms don't, whether its the combined experience of the attorneys, relationships with private investigators or the ability to delegate certain tasks to associates.

    I didn't evaluate the likelihood of Kap's success because at this point on a grievance has been filed, not a lawsuit and besides whats been released through the media, I have no clue of what info he has to prove collusion in a court of law. Could be a hail mary, probably is. But it doesn't detract from my original statement about the validity of Skip Bayless' comments about "celebrity attorneys"...
  • stringer bell
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    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/10/after_trump_closed_white_house_doors_to_nba_champi.html
    Knicks owner Dolan wrote Trump $125K check after he closed White House to NBA champs

    WASHINGTON -- Five days after President Donald Trump told the National Basketball Association champion Golden State Warriors they weren't welcome at the White House, the owner of the New York Knicks sent a $125,000 check to help his re-election efforts.

    James Dolan, executive chairman of Madison Square Garden Corp., contributed the money to the joint fundraising committee set up by Trump and the Republican National Committee, Federal Election Commission filings show.

    His check was dated Sept. 28. That same week, on Sept. 23, Trump disinvited the Warriors from the traditional White House visit afforded most championship sports teams after all-star guard Stephen Curry said he wouldn't accompany the team.

    "This is indeed how the game is played," said Craig Holman of Public Citizen, a Washington-based advocacy group that favors stronger campaign finance laws. "Clearly, the New York Knicks owner wants to make sure the Knicks are not dissed by the president, who has a tendency to do that type of thing."

    Dolan also contributed to $300,000 to the joint fundraising committee last year, FEC records show.

    "Mr. Dolan is a long-time friend and supporter of President Trump," Knicks spokesman Jonathan Supranowitz said. "His contribution is a matter of public record, and was made by Mr. Dolan as a private citizen."

    Trump's criticism of the Warriors came while simultaneously criticizing National Football League players for protesting police brutality against minority communities by kneeling during the national anthem.
  • stringer bell
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    https://www.dallasnews.com/news/social-justice-1/2017/10/16/dallas-megachurch-pastor-blasts-jerry-jones-forplantation-politics-anthem-ultimatum
    Dallas megachurch pastor blasts Jerry Jones for 'plantation politics' after anthem ultimatum

    The controversy over Jerry Jones' threat that Dallas Cowboys who kneel during the national anthem will be benched is not dying down.

    Frederick D. Haynes III — senior pastor of Friendship-West Baptist Church, a predominantly black megachurch — slammed the Cowboys owner on Monday, accusing him of reverting to "plantation politics" to silence black athletes who want to protest police brutality.

    "Mr. Jones doesn't mind cheering for those black players while they're on the field, but he's not concerned about the hell their communities are catching off the field," Haynes said during a news conference at the Dallas police headquarters on South Lamar Street.

    Last month, Jones tried to steer the Cowboys away from the firestorm over athletes kneeling during the national anthem after President Donald Trump called on NFL team owners to fire the demonstrators. In Trump's view, the protests are disrespectful to the flag and "our heritage."


    As football fans nationwide turned to the Cowboys in late September, Jones and his players took a knee before — but not during — the anthem as a gesture of solidarity with others in the NFL who were taking a stance against racial inequality.

    However, Jones turned himself into a lightning rod when he announced Oct. 8 after a game with the Green Bay Packers that any player "disrespectful to the flag" won't be allowed to play.

    The Cowboys haven't had a player protest during the anthem, though defensive linemen Damontre Moore and David Irving have raised fists at its conclusion.

    Jones committed to his stance last week during his radio show on KRLD-FM (105.3 The Fan).

    "If you do not honor and stand for the flag in the way that a lot of our fans feel that you should then you won't play," Jones said. "That's nothing new as far as that being my wish or want [for] the Cowboys."

    The Cowboys' first game following Jones' remarks will be Sunday against the San Francisco 49ers, whose former quarterback, Colin Kaepernick, launched the protests last season to draw attention to the killings of unarmed black people by police.


    Haynes, the pastor, said he and other activists criticizing Jones on Monday decided on purpose to stand in front of a banner that read "We support our Dallas police officers" to avoid distractions about their real message.

    "We have the back of our police department as long as they have our back," said Haynes, who wore a T-shirt printed with an image of Kaepernick kneeling.

    Others who addressed reporters at the news conference included Dominique Alexander, leader of the activist group Next Generation Action Network, and Shirley Ison-Newsome, a former Dallas ISD administrator.

    The activists' criticism of Jones echoed pointed comments made last week by Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price, one of Dallas' most prominent black politicians.

    Price told The Dallas Morning News that players are showing they notice the mistreatment of people of color in America.

    "What the players are saying, in some uniform position, is that they can see," Price said. "And so, Jerry issues an order that says, 'Slaves, obey your master.'"
  • stringer bell
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    http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/govt-and-politics/election-matters/scott-walker-to-nfl-players-stop-divisive-anthem-protests-stand/article_e690b9c5-9259-5c43-8505-9869e1190f6e.html
    Scott Walker to NFL players: Stop 'divisive' anthem protests, stand against domestic violence instead

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says it's time for professional football players to stop protesting racial inequality and police brutality during the national anthem and instead focus on denouncing domestic violence.

    Walker sent a letter on Monday to the National Football League and the NFL Players Association with what he called a simple request: that players stand during the national anthem and use their platforms to stand against domestic violence.

    "It is time for players in the NFL to stop their protests during the anthem and move on from what has become a divisive political sideshow," Walker wrote. "Instead, I encourage them to use their voices and influence to take a stand against domestic violence. With the NFL Fall League Meeting occurring tomorrow, during Domestic Violence Awareness Month, now would be an especially opportune time to strongly condemn domestic violence and lead the charge in supporting safe families across America."

    The Republican governor said the idea came to him last week during an awards ceremony at the state Capitol recognizing outstanding achievement in domestic abuse issues.

    "As I sat and heard these amazing stories, it occurred to me that NFL players could have a remarkable impact on awareness and prevention efforts if each player would agree to speak out, as well as agree to take a personal stand, against domestic violence. This is an issue that can unite people across America," Walker wrote.

    Asked about the protests a few weeks ago, Walker said it's important to him, personally, to stand with his hand over his heart during the national anthem, but that he would not "tell people what they should or shouldn't do."

    In his letter to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and NFL players union director DeMaurice Smith, Walker said speaking up for one's beliefs is "a profoundly American idea," but "disrespecting our flag, and the men and women who have fought to protect and defend our country, is not American in the slightest."

    Former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick was the first player to kneel during the national anthem, starting last season, in protest of racial inequality and police brutality in the United States. Other players have joined the protests this season, while President Donald Trump has called on the NFL and team owners to fire players who participate.

    Vice President Mike Pence said he walked out of an Indianapolis Colts game last week because players protested during the anthem.

    The NFL has also been criticized for years for its lax approach to acts of domestic violence committed by players.

    "My request is simple: stand for the American flag and the national anthem out of respect for those who risk their lives for our freedoms, and then take a stand against domestic violence to keep American families safe. That’s something we can all agree on, and that just might help the NFL reunite with many of its devoted fans," Walker wrote.

    The white governor wants the black players to focus on what he cares about.. And not the issue they care about to appease him so he can feel better.. That’s the definition of white privilege...
  • dnyce215
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    First things first they are having an abitration hearing and they motioning for discovery is what I’m told. Roland Martin had a discussion about it. I would post it but you guys don’t like to click links.
  • JJ_Evans
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    dnyce215 wrote: »
    He is forcing their hand, they have no choice but to cooperate. It goes past arbitration NFL will have a big problem. Let’s see how this goes when the depositions come in

    100% agree.

    They will not be able to prove why a young talented QB has not been given another chance after almost all past young talented QBs have been given dozens of chances.

    There's no way in hell they can explain why Tim Tebow was given chances with 4 different teams over the course of 6 years with a career passer rating of 75, but Kap has only been given a chance with 1 team........A team in which he has a career passer rating of 90 in his 6 seasons.
  • blackrain
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    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    dnyce215 wrote: »
    He is forcing their hand, they have no choice but to cooperate. It goes past arbitration NFL will have a big problem. Let’s see how this goes when the depositions come in

    100% agree.

    They will not be able to prove why a young talented QB has not been given another chance after almost all past young talented QBs have been given dozens of chances.

    There's no way in hell they can explain why Tim Tebow was given chances with 4 different teams over the course of 6 years with a career passer rating of 75, but Kap has only been given a chance with 1 team........A team in which he has a career passer rating of 90 in his 6 seasons.

    It's not on the league to prove anything...it's on Kaep and his team to prove that somehow even 2 NFL owners conspired against him...and that's where his biggest challenge comes in is being able to find and present that evidence.
  • Max.
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    deadeye wrote: »




    @Max.




    *BODYBAG*

    But he didnt get fired lol..

  • Shizlansky
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    The NYG owner basically said he don’t want the backlash.

    But that’s not enough