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  • JJ_Evans
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    blackrain wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    dnyce215 wrote: »
    He is forcing their hand, they have no choice but to cooperate. It goes past arbitration NFL will have a big problem. Let’s see how this goes when the depositions come in

    100% agree.

    They will not be able to prove why a young talented QB has not been given another chance after almost all past young talented QBs have been given dozens of chances.

    There's no way in hell they can explain why Tim Tebow was given chances with 4 different teams over the course of 6 years with a career passer rating of 75, but Kap has only been given a chance with 1 team........A team in which he has a career passer rating of 90 in his 6 seasons.

    It's not on the league to prove anything...it's on Kaep and his team to prove that somehow even 2 NFL owners conspired against him...and that's where his biggest challenge comes in is being able to find and present that evidence.

    It won't be hard for him to present evidence. I just presented a small piece of evidence for you.

    It is all gonna come down to the arbitrator and/or the judge being fair in their decision making. If either or both of those people are in the pockets of the owners or if they're Trump supporters, then he's gonna lose.
  • Max.
    Max. Members Posts: 33,009 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    blackrain wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    dnyce215 wrote: »
    He is forcing their hand, they have no choice but to cooperate. It goes past arbitration NFL will have a big problem. Let’s see how this goes when the depositions come in

    100% agree.

    They will not be able to prove why a young talented QB has not been given another chance after almost all past young talented QBs have been given dozens of chances.

    There's no way in hell they can explain why Tim Tebow was given chances with 4 different teams over the course of 6 years with a career passer rating of 75, but Kap has only been given a chance with 1 team........A team in which he has a career passer rating of 90 in his 6 seasons.

    It's not on the league to prove anything...it's on Kaep and his team to prove that somehow even 2 NFL owners conspired against him...and that's where his biggest challenge comes in is being able to find and present that evidence.

    Better hope he finds emails between owners

    After this he really aint getn a call
  • farris2k1
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    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    dnyce215 wrote: »
    He is forcing their hand, they have no choice but to cooperate. It goes past arbitration NFL will have a big problem. Let’s see how this goes when the depositions come in

    100% agree.

    They will not be able to prove why a young talented QB has not been given another chance after almost all past young talented QBs have been given dozens of chances.

    There's no way in hell they can explain why Tim Tebow was given chances with 4 different teams over the course of 6 years with a career passer rating of 75, but Kap has only been given a chance with 1 team........A team in which he has a career passer rating of 90 in his 6 seasons.

    It's not on the league to prove anything...it's on Kaep and his team to prove that somehow even 2 NFL owners conspired against him...and that's where his biggest challenge comes in is being able to find and present that evidence.

    It won't be hard for him to present evidence. I just presented a small piece of evidence for you.

    It is all gonna come down to the arbitrator and/or the judge being fair in their decision making. If either or both of those people are in the pockets of the owners or if they're Trump supporters, then he's gonna lose.

    ? saying "how do you explain signing him but not kap??" Isnt gonna hold up for ? , you need facts and evidence showing that owners all basically said they arent signing him, he damn near gonna have to have dudes on tape, txt messages phone calls emails watever saying they arent ? wit him, why do you think damn near every legal person and anyone with any commom sense of how law works is saying this is a longshot??
  • Max.
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    farris2k1 wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    dnyce215 wrote: »
    He is forcing their hand, they have no choice but to cooperate. It goes past arbitration NFL will have a big problem. Let’s see how this goes when the depositions come in

    100% agree.

    They will not be able to prove why a young talented QB has not been given another chance after almost all past young talented QBs have been given dozens of chances.

    There's no way in hell they can explain why Tim Tebow was given chances with 4 different teams over the course of 6 years with a career passer rating of 75, but Kap has only been given a chance with 1 team........A team in which he has a career passer rating of 90 in his 6 seasons.

    It's not on the league to prove anything...it's on Kaep and his team to prove that somehow even 2 NFL owners conspired against him...and that's where his biggest challenge comes in is being able to find and present that evidence.

    It won't be hard for him to present evidence. I just presented a small piece of evidence for you.

    It is all gonna come down to the arbitrator and/or the judge being fair in their decision making. If either or both of those people are in the pockets of the owners or if they're Trump supporters, then he's gonna lose.

    ? saying "how do you explain signing him but not kap??" Isnt gonna hold up for ? , you need facts and evidence showing that owners all basically said they arent signing him, he damn near gonna have to have dudes on tape, txt messages phone calls emails watever saying they arent ? wit him, why do you think damn near every legal person and anyone with any commom sense of how law works is saying this is a longshot??

    Kap has 88.9 rating
    Rg3 has 88.4

    Jj prolly thinks 100 is the highest number lmaoo
  • Shizlansky
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    Max. wrote: »
    farris2k1 wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    dnyce215 wrote: »
    He is forcing their hand, they have no choice but to cooperate. It goes past arbitration NFL will have a big problem. Let’s see how this goes when the depositions come in

    100% agree.

    They will not be able to prove why a young talented QB has not been given another chance after almost all past young talented QBs have been given dozens of chances.

    There's no way in hell they can explain why Tim Tebow was given chances with 4 different teams over the course of 6 years with a career passer rating of 75, but Kap has only been given a chance with 1 team........A team in which he has a career passer rating of 90 in his 6 seasons.

    It's not on the league to prove anything...it's on Kaep and his team to prove that somehow even 2 NFL owners conspired against him...and that's where his biggest challenge comes in is being able to find and present that evidence.

    It won't be hard for him to present evidence. I just presented a small piece of evidence for you.

    It is all gonna come down to the arbitrator and/or the judge being fair in their decision making. If either or both of those people are in the pockets of the owners or if they're Trump supporters, then he's gonna lose.

    ? saying "how do you explain signing him but not kap??" Isnt gonna hold up for ? , you need facts and evidence showing that owners all basically said they arent signing him, he damn near gonna have to have dudes on tape, txt messages phone calls emails watever saying they arent ? wit him, why do you think damn near every legal person and anyone with any commom sense of how law works is saying this is a longshot??

    Kap has 88.9 rating
    Rg3 has 88.4

    Jj prolly thinks 100 is the highest number lmaoo

    RG3 is a serviceable backup though. He just always get hurt.
  • blackrain
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    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    dnyce215 wrote: »
    He is forcing their hand, they have no choice but to cooperate. It goes past arbitration NFL will have a big problem. Let’s see how this goes when the depositions come in

    100% agree.

    They will not be able to prove why a young talented QB has not been given another chance after almost all past young talented QBs have been given dozens of chances.

    There's no way in hell they can explain why Tim Tebow was given chances with 4 different teams over the course of 6 years with a career passer rating of 75, but Kap has only been given a chance with 1 team........A team in which he has a career passer rating of 90 in his 6 seasons.

    It's not on the league to prove anything...it's on Kaep and his team to prove that somehow even 2 NFL owners conspired against him...and that's where his biggest challenge comes in is being able to find and present that evidence.

    It won't be hard for him to present evidence. I just presented a small piece of evidence for you.

    It is all gonna come down to the arbitrator and/or the judge being fair in their decision making. If either or both of those people are in the pockets of the owners or if they're Trump supporters, then he's gonna lose.

    Bruh, that's not evidence you can present in a legal proceeding. You can't walk in there like "Look, Scott Tolzien got a job and Kaep can't get a run?" It needs to be an actual piece of evidence showing 2 or more teams actually discussed and agreed to keeping Kaep off their teams...not just the fact that ? qb's are signed and he's not. If that's the case then any player not in the league can file a grievance for this same issue because there's plenty of players not on a roster that talent wise should be, but because of other issues they aren't aka Greg Hardy, Ray Rice...
  • JJ_Evans
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    blackrain wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    dnyce215 wrote: »
    He is forcing their hand, they have no choice but to cooperate. It goes past arbitration NFL will have a big problem. Let’s see how this goes when the depositions come in

    100% agree.

    They will not be able to prove why a young talented QB has not been given another chance after almost all past young talented QBs have been given dozens of chances.

    There's no way in hell they can explain why Tim Tebow was given chances with 4 different teams over the course of 6 years with a career passer rating of 75, but Kap has only been given a chance with 1 team........A team in which he has a career passer rating of 90 in his 6 seasons.

    It's not on the league to prove anything...it's on Kaep and his team to prove that somehow even 2 NFL owners conspired against him...and that's where his biggest challenge comes in is being able to find and present that evidence.

    It won't be hard for him to present evidence. I just presented a small piece of evidence for you.

    It is all gonna come down to the arbitrator and/or the judge being fair in their decision making. If either or both of those people are in the pockets of the owners or if they're Trump supporters, then he's gonna lose.

    Bruh, that's not evidence you can present in a legal proceeding. You can't walk in there like "Look, Scott Tolzien got a job and Kaep can't get a run?" It needs to be an actual piece of evidence showing 2 or more teams actually discussed and agreed to keeping Kaep off their teams...not just the fact that ? qb's are signed and he's not. If that's the case then any player not in the league can file a grievance for this same issue because there's plenty of players not on a roster that talent wise should be, but because of other issues they aren't aka Greg Hardy, Ray Rice...

    Kaep is not a drug addict like Greg hardy and Kaep wasn't caught on video knocking out his wife like Ray Rice.

    The man protested against racial injustice.
  • marc123
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    Max. wrote: »
    deadeye wrote: »




    @Max.




    *BODYBAG*

    But he didnt get fired lol..

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  • 2stepz_ahead
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  • blackrain
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    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    dnyce215 wrote: »
    He is forcing their hand, they have no choice but to cooperate. It goes past arbitration NFL will have a big problem. Let’s see how this goes when the depositions come in

    100% agree.

    They will not be able to prove why a young talented QB has not been given another chance after almost all past young talented QBs have been given dozens of chances.

    There's no way in hell they can explain why Tim Tebow was given chances with 4 different teams over the course of 6 years with a career passer rating of 75, but Kap has only been given a chance with 1 team........A team in which he has a career passer rating of 90 in his 6 seasons.

    It's not on the league to prove anything...it's on Kaep and his team to prove that somehow even 2 NFL owners conspired against him...and that's where his biggest challenge comes in is being able to find and present that evidence.

    It won't be hard for him to present evidence. I just presented a small piece of evidence for you.

    It is all gonna come down to the arbitrator and/or the judge being fair in their decision making. If either or both of those people are in the pockets of the owners or if they're Trump supporters, then he's gonna lose.

    Bruh, that's not evidence you can present in a legal proceeding. You can't walk in there like "Look, Scott Tolzien got a job and Kaep can't get a run?" It needs to be an actual piece of evidence showing 2 or more teams actually discussed and agreed to keeping Kaep off their teams...not just the fact that ? qb's are signed and he's not. If that's the case then any player not in the league can file a grievance for this same issue because there's plenty of players not on a roster that talent wise should be, but because of other issues they aren't aka Greg Hardy, Ray Rice...

    Kaep is not a drug addict like Greg hardy and Kaep wasn't caught on video knocking out his wife like Ray Rice.

    The man protested against racial injustice.

    Nobody is saying otherwise...just that you need actual proof of collusion and not simply "But Tebow got a shot"
  • dnyce215
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    blackrain wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    blackrain wrote: »
    JJ_Evans wrote: »
    dnyce215 wrote: »
    He is forcing their hand, they have no choice but to cooperate. It goes past arbitration NFL will have a big problem. Let’s see how this goes when the depositions come in

    100% agree.

    They will not be able to prove why a young talented QB has not been given another chance after almost all past young talented QBs have been given dozens of chances.

    There's no way in hell they can explain why Tim Tebow was given chances with 4 different teams over the course of 6 years with a career passer rating of 75, but Kap has only been given a chance with 1 team........A team in which he has a career passer rating of 90 in his 6 seasons.

    It's not on the league to prove anything...it's on Kaep and his team to prove that somehow even 2 NFL owners conspired against him...and that's where his biggest challenge comes in is being able to find and present that evidence.

    It won't be hard for him to present evidence. I just presented a small piece of evidence for you.

    It is all gonna come down to the arbitrator and/or the judge being fair in their decision making. If either or both of those people are in the pockets of the owners or if they're Trump supporters, then he's gonna lose.

    Bruh, that's not evidence you can present in a legal proceeding. You can't walk in there like "Look, Scott Tolzien got a job and Kaep can't get a run?" It needs to be an actual piece of evidence showing 2 or more teams actually discussed and agreed to keeping Kaep off their teams...not just the fact that ? qb's are signed and he's not. If that's the case then any player not in the league can file a grievance for this same issue because there's plenty of players not on a roster that talent wise should be, but because of other issues they aren't aka Greg Hardy, Ray Rice...

    Kaep is not a drug addict like Greg hardy and Kaep wasn't caught on video knocking out his wife like Ray Rice.

    The man protested against racial injustice.

    Nobody is saying otherwise...just that you need actual proof of collusion and not simply "But Tebow got a shot"

    Wait till the NFL get the deposition.
  • farris2k1
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    D. Morgan wrote: »
    I just love the fact that Kaep is fighting these people.

    Kaep may or not win and he has a very tough road ahead of him concerning this case.

    We all know the league and its owners have colluded to keep Kaep out of the league but....

    This ? really like Denzel said in Training Day "IT'S NOW WHAT YOU KNOW IT'S WHAT YOU CAN PROVE!!"

    It's going to be extremely hard for Kaep to prove what we all know.
    Lol swear i thought of that quote when i 1st heard about this, but its fitting as hell

  • White_Owl_Willie
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    D. Morgan wrote: »
    I just love the fact that Kaep is fighting these people.

    Kaep may or may not win and he has a very tough road ahead of him concerning this case.

    We all know the league and its owners have colluded to keep Kaep out of the league but....

    This ? really like Denzel said in Training Day "IT'S NOT WHAT YOU KNOW IT'S WHAT YOU CAN PROVE!!"

    It's going to be extremely hard for Kaep to prove what we all know.

    You never know, with all the leaks and exposures that are constantly happening, people posting/sending messages they shouldn't have, etc. Kap and his team might actually have some ? .
  • D. Morgan
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    D. Morgan wrote: »
    I just love the fact that Kaep is fighting these people.

    Kaep may or may not win and he has a very tough road ahead of him concerning this case.

    We all know the league and its owners have colluded to keep Kaep out of the league but....

    This ? really like Denzel said in Training Day "IT'S NOT WHAT YOU KNOW IT'S WHAT YOU CAN PROVE!!"

    It's going to be extremely hard for Kaep to prove what we all know.

    You never know, with all the leaks and exposures that are constantly happening, people posting/sending messages they shouldn't have, etc. Kap and his team might actually have some ? .

    I really want Kaep and his lawyers to have something already or at least get a real option to find something.

    All I'm saying is that its going to be hard for them to find it. They're probably gonna need some whistle blower type ? to happen for them to find something really good and useful.
  • AggieLean.
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    Might need the help of current players. I know it's he say she say ? , but maybe they've heard owners talking and admit to sh*t. I dunno
  • Angeles1son85
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    wow man as a cowboys its disgusting to see him smerk at the end while dude was tellin him facts side note so colin was invited but didn't show up just cuz he aint want to or cause he suing them?
  • stringer bell
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    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21052566/jacksonville-jaguars-president-apologizes-city-official-players-kneeling-national-anthem-london
    Jags prez apologizes for London anthem action

    JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jacksonville Jaguars president Mark Lamping has apologized to the city of Jacksonville's director of military affairs chief and local military representatives for not fully understanding the potential impact of several players' decision to kneel during the national anthem before their Sept. 24 game against the Baltimore Ravens in London.

    In a letter dated Oct. 6 and sent to Bill Spann, the city's director of military affairs and veterans department and local military representatives, Lamping said the organization did not fully consider the furor that would result from those actions, especially given that the entire team stood for "? Save the Queen."

    Owner Shad Khan, executive vice president of football operations Tom Coughlin and Lamping hosted Spann and several local military representatives at a meeting at EverBank Field on Oct. 5. They discussed what happened in London, and Lamping wrote the letter the next day and sent it to Spann and the military reps that attended the meeting. Spann forwarded his copy of the letter to Jacksonville Mayor Lenny Curry on Monday afternoon.

    "It bears repeating that we were remiss in not fully comprehending the effect of the national anthem demonstration occurring on foreign soil has had on the men and women who have or continue to serve our country," Lamping wrote. "Similarly, we today can better appreciate how standing for ? Save The Queen may have been viewed negatively by our armed forces here in Jacksonville and beyond. As covered during our conversation on Thursday, this was an oversight and certainly not intended to send a message that would disparage you, our flag or our nation. The notion never entered the minds of our players or anyone affiliated with the Jacksonville Jaguars, but today we can understand how the events in London on September 24 could have been viewed or misinterpreted. We owe you an apology and hope you will accept it."


    Jacksonville has a heavy military presence, and the city is home to Naval Air Station Mayport and Naval Air Station Jacksonville. In addition, Naval Submarine Base Kings Bay is located roughly 40 miles north of Jacksonville on the outskirts of St. Marys, Georgia.

    Curry, who flew to London on the team's charter and attended the game at Wembley Stadium, released a statement two days after the Sept. 24 game that called the players' decision to knee during the anthem "stupid." Curry said that the players have the right not to stand during the anthem, but he believes they should.

    "I stand and cover my heart for the pledge and the anthem," Curry's statement read. "I think it's stupid to do otherwise. The U.S. Constitution protects the right for a lot of people to do a lot of stupid things. I am a Constitutional Conservative, so I respect the wisdom of our Founders."


    Curry is a Jaguars fan who has attended numerous practices since his election in 2015. During Hurricane Irma, Curry wore a Jaguars hat for appearances on national television broadcasts and interviews.

    There are apparently no hard feelings between Curry and the Jaguars because Curry attended the Jaguars' game in Pittsburgh on Oct. 8 and watched the game from Khan's box.

    The Jaguars' actions in London were in response to President Donald Trump's comments during a political rally in Huntsville, Alabama, on Sept. 22. Trump said players who do not stand for the national anthem should be fired.

    Jaguars players linked arms for the playing of the national anthem, and Jalen Ramsey, A.J. Bouye, Calais Campbell, Malik Jackson, Tashaun Gipson, Yannick Ngakoue and Dante Fowler were among those who took a knee. The players who did kneel for the national anthem stood for "? Save the Queen."

    Khan stood and linked arms with Marcedes Lewis and Telvin Smith. He did not kneel for the national anthem.

    Khan said last week during an executive conference for Crain's "Who's Who in Chicago Business" that President Trump is dividing the country with his comments and actions about NFL players' protests of racial inequality during the playing of the national anthem before games.

    "You have to give Trump credit, people are confused on the First Amendment versus patriotism, that if you exercise your First Amendment you're not a patriot, which is crazy," Khan said during the conference. "... People are confused on it. [Trump] knew he could hit on it and take advantage. I think what we're seeing is the great divider overcoming the great uniter."
  • stringer bell
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx3JuCqE5I0

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/outnumbered-gets-tense-after-herman-cain-claims-there-is-no-rampant-injustice-in-america/
    Fox’s Outnumbered Gets Tense After Herman Cain Claims ‘There is No Rampant Injustice in America’

    With the ongoing debate over the NFL protests of the National Anthem (and racial prejudice) becoming more notable wedge issue for President Donald Trump, Fox News’ Outnumbered got in on the action Tuesday. Herman Cain, the former GOP presidential candidate and King of Shucky Ducky, joined the show as the day’s “one lucky guy” to impart his thoughts.

    While Cain — a self-made millionaire — is certainly an impressive figure who went through his share of racial prejudice on his way to his success, he made a pretty astonishing declaration on the topic of Colin Kaepernick’s protests and the state of racial affairs in America.

    Remarking on Hillary Clinton’s comments on the protests, Cain said:

    First of all, what Hillary said made absolutely no sense because if you go back to what Kaepernick first said, he said, and I quote — I saw it on video — “this is to protest the injustices in America.” First, there is no rampant injustice in America. We’ve come a long way. I grew up with injustice in the 50s and 60s. Secondly, a lot of people have picked up on that lie and jumped on the bandwagon not knowing what bandwagon they were getting on. And as far as the black caucus and everybody else saying they should be allowed to kneel, I have a breaking news announcement — they are not your football team. It’s like any business. You have rules for your workers, for your players, and they are going to be expected to adhere to the rules, pure and simple.

    From there, the segment devolved into a fiery exchange between Jessica Tarlov and Cain in response to his controversial comments.

    While no one can belittle Herman’s experience with racial prejudice, one has to wonder where his pointed claims are coming from in light of the recent protests

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx3JuCqE5I0

    https://www.mediaite.com/online/outnumbered-gets-tense-after-herman-cain-claims-there-is-no-rampant-injustice-in-america/
    Fox’s Outnumbered Gets Tense After Herman Cain Claims ‘There is No Rampant Injustice in America’

    With the ongoing debate over the NFL protests of the National Anthem (and racial prejudice) becoming more notable wedge issue for President Donald Trump, Fox News’ Outnumbered got in on the action Tuesday. Herman Cain, the former GOP presidential candidate and King of Shucky Ducky, joined the show as the day’s “one lucky guy” to impart his thoughts.

    While Cain — a self-made millionaire — is certainly an impressive figure who went through his share of racial prejudice on his way to his success, he made a pretty astonishing declaration on the topic of Colin Kaepernick’s protests and the state of racial affairs in America.

    Remarking on Hillary Clinton’s comments on the protests, Cain said:

    First of all, what Hillary said made absolutely no sense because if you go back to what Kaepernick first said, he said, and I quote — I saw it on video — “this is to protest the injustices in America.” First, there is no rampant injustice in America. We’ve come a long way. I grew up with injustice in the 50s and 60s. Secondly, a lot of people have picked up on that lie and jumped on the bandwagon not knowing what bandwagon they were getting on. And as far as the black caucus and everybody else saying they should be allowed to kneel, I have a breaking news announcement — they are not your football team. It’s like any business. You have rules for your workers, for your players, and they are going to be expected to adhere to the rules, pure and simple.

    From there, the segment devolved into a fiery exchange between Jessica Tarlov and Cain in response to his controversial comments.

    While no one can belittle Herman’s experience with racial prejudice, one has to wonder where his pointed claims are coming from in light of the recent protests

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    The worst ? are the old ? .