MGTOWrama : A FEMINIZM CONSEQUENCE

sunlord wrote: »

SO being a husband automatically makes you a mind reader and a ? fortune teller??? you sound like a deluded fool. JUST ADMIT that so far you have been lucky with A,B and C and keep it ? moving. But 50% of people have not had your luck. You should evaluate women as they are but the reality is that you don't know how she is going to be in years to come, bad outcomes for a, b or c can happen to anyone so they affect everyone including your marriage.

Don't do this bro

@sunlord

This ? will troll you in circles all day long. You are positing facts and figures his position is based on his feelings and projection.

Unless he is providing information that challenges the numbers he just talking.

He's the male madamcjwlker. That's why they argue in circles every thread.

THIRDSUPREME wrote: »

If you build yourself up enough.....you won’t have the same female problems that other ? have. You won’t ever be worried about losing a ? because there’s a line of them waiting to take her place. Yeah you’re going to have to deal with some ? , but don’t you deal with ? in certain friend and family relationships? I mean life isn’t going to be 100% fair all the time and some of you ? are out here scared of adversity and running from a challenge. My advice is to man up, hit the gym, stay positive and build yourself back up. This Mgtow ? is for cry babies. Man up.

terrible advice you can do all that ? and still end up getting ? over and I am sorry but no one who has actually built something wants to see it demolished. WHAT you think building something worthwhile was easy???

people need to stop with this masochistic attitude that says that men should just suffer and keep moving, the better advice to men would be don't go into bad situations unknowingly with your heart and bank account wide open.

deadeye wrote: »

The Lonious Monk wrote: »

LordZuko wrote: »

You don't know what anyone's marriage is like except your own. You barely know that. You only know what your wife tells you. Any man that trusts a woman's word is foolish, women lie to themselves all the time.

You don't know anyone else's marriage all you see is the public face. You don't know that the couple married for twenty years been sleeping apart for the last ten. You don't know that the young married couple the last time his wife sucked his ? was after the honeymoon. You don't know anything besides the public face.

But we do know numbers. Stats say 50% of marriages end in divorce. 70% of those marriages are initiated by females. Those are facts. So you can quote your nursery rhyme church story all day but those are anecdotes. Little individual stories. The plural of anecdote is not data.

Yes, 50% of marriages end in divorce. So what?


What is the root cause of those divorces? What point in the marriage do those divorces happen? What stage in life were most of those people when they got married? That ? matters.

You answered your own question.



50% is the point.



For the most part, numbers don't lie.



Other than the 2 people in those failed marriages, it doesn't matter why those marriages ended in divorce...........just that they did.



The reasons for divorce can be any and every thing that you mentioned..........but, again, regardless of the reason..........it still doesn't change that 50% stat.



Nor does it change the fact that 70% of divorces are initiated by women.



Too many people think they're more special and/or unique than they really are.



They try to tell themselves, "Well, if I get married, what happened to "them" won't happen to me because I'm gonna do this, this, this and this to prevent that from happening."



Not even realizing or considering the possibility that the people in those failed marriages probably felt the same way and didn't think they were gonna get divorced either.

Let's step away from the purpose of this topic for a second to discuss numbers. You say numbers don't lie. That statement doesn't mean anything. Numbers can tell you anything you want them to if used haphazardly. Racist quote crime stats all day to try and prove the point that blacks are violent savages. By the argument you guys are making, if a racists gives a percentage for how much more violent crime blacks commit than whites, that automatically means that blacks are more violent and savage than whites. That's not true though, and why do we know it's not true, because we ask the question "Why are blacks committing crimes." When you do that you explore and find out that most of the crime is committed by poor blacks and then when you correct for socio-economic status and other factors and then account for error in the data, things look a lot different. That is the proper way to use numbers. The whole .77 wage gap myth is another example. Feminists run around saying that the work world is grossly unfair because women only get paid 77 cents for every dollar that a man gets. And everyone made a big deal out of it it. But really it's ? . Why? It's not that the claim is incorrect. It's factual. The problem is that it's deceptive to use it the way people are suggesting. When you go back and correct for things like job title, field of work, hours worked, etc... the gap shrinks down to like a 2 or 3 cents difference.

The same ? applies here. You guys keep quoting that 50%, but that's no more a useful number than black violent crime data or the wage gap data. In order to actually apply it effectively to a particular situation, you need to know what's behind it. The reasons don't change the stat. The reasons determine the applicability of the stat to your particular set of circumstances.

Like I said. Life isn’t always going to be fair. If you signed that contract and failed to get a prenump then you will suffer the consequences. Marriage is a contract homie, you know good and ? damn well there’s a chance it won’t work out and if you are the primary bread winner you WILL be paying alimony. How do you avoid that? You marry a woman with a career who makes about the same as you. Child support is 20%, if you can’t afford that you’re a ? and you shouldn’t have been making babies. Your kids need that 20%. If your ex uses that 20% for dumb ? then it’s obvious you married a bird and guess what, you make bad decisions. Plenty of brothers pay child support and co parent just fine with very little problems. No, a lot of the ? isn’t fair, but if you play the game you have to play to win. If the possibility of divorce, alimony, and child support turns you off to marriage then just do not get married or sign a prenup. You need a movement to tell you that? That’s common sense.

This is not like crime or the wage gap those things have a limited number of contributing factors.

In this current time The reasons why people get married and divorced are unlimited because there is something called no fault divorce. SO LITERALLY SOME PEOPLE ARE GETTING divorced for no ? reason at all

sunlord wrote: »

LPast wrote: »

The divorce rate isn't even 50%. That was projected a long time ago. The 2009 census has it around 25-35% depending on your age.

That's a lot of people. 25% - 40% is a lot of people

Really think about that... When you consider people's decision making, is it really that bad?

LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY wrote: »

The Lonious Monk wrote: »

LordZuko wrote: »

sunlord wrote: »

SO being a husband automatically makes you a mind reader and a ? fortune teller??? you sound like a deluded fool. JUST ADMIT that so far you have been lucky with A,B and C and keep it ? moving. But 50% of people have not had your luck. You should evaluate women as they are but the reality is that you don't know how she is going to be in years to come, bad outcomes for a, b or c can happen to anyone so they affect everyone including your marriage.

Don't do this bro

@sunlord

This ? will troll you in circles all day long. You are positing facts and figures his position is based on his feelings and projection.

Unless he is providing information that challenges the numbers he just talking.

He's the male madamcjwlker. That's why they argue in circles every thread.

lol Whatever you say man. I've got ~10 hours of course credit in graduate level applied statistics courses and half my job consists of taking large sets of data and using them to make statistically based conclusions and using those conclusions to inform decisions that affect projects that are in the tens of billions of dollars. I'm probably the only person in this discussion that has any reasonable level of expertise on data analysis and statistical relevance. So how the ? am I trolling when all I'm saying is that the numbers that you're quoting don't mean much in the way you're using them. How am I speaking out of feelings when I'm telling you that in practice the only way numbers like that can be applied in any useful manner is if you do some kind of root cause analysis and then apply the results of that to your own particular set of circumstances. No one with any understanding of stats would use those percentages to make the conclusions that you guys are because that would be stupid.

Aaaan here we go with the SUPERMAN RETURNS moment : the one and only who can analyse in here...

Its not about you Clark Kent. If you were good a analysis you wouldnt reduce SOCIAL TENDENCIES TO YOURSELF AKA I, I, I

Get out of your feelings. This ain't about me being some super analyst. ? are on here claiming that I'm speaking out of feelings or trolling when the past couple of pages, all I've done is point out that the way the numbers are being used is poor and not statistically sound.

I'm not the only one that can analyze data. It's not that hard a thing to do if you have the expertise. I'm just seem to be the only one here that understands that to be useful data needs to be analyzed. You dudes are basically taking the most basic of metrics and trying to use them to support these huge conclusions. That's flawed.

And nowhere have I used my situation to explain social tendencies. That's just ? you and others keep throwing out to invalidate what I'm saying. Not once have I claimed that MGTOW is lame because my marriage is good. I've specifically said that the status of my marriage has no bearing on what we're discussing here.

The Lonious Monk wrote: »

sunlord wrote: »

This is not like crime or the wage gap those things have a limited number of contributing factors.

The reasons why people get married and divorced are unlimited.

Now I know you don't know what you're talking about. First of all, the reasons people get divorced are not unlimited. In fact, a lot of resources tie the majority of divorces to infidelity and financial strains. Second, both crime and wage issues are complex issues that have just as many factors contributing to the problems as divorce.

Look man, at this point, ya'll are just making up ? to try and push your agenda. Like I said, marriage ain't for everyone and nobody should feel like they need to get married to fulfill anyone else's expectations. That MGTOW ? is lame, not because they are standing up for men's rights, but because they use generalizations and poor logic to push a philosophy that's every bit as flawed as what we see from a lot of feminists. I'll leave it at that.

stop trying to apply your ? understanding of data to everything you keep trying to list the factors for divorce like it's some kind of equation but love does not work like an equation

LPast wrote: »

sunlord wrote: »

LPast wrote: »

The divorce rate isn't even 50%. That was projected a long time ago. The 2009 census has it around 25-35% depending on your age.

That's a lot of people. 25% - 40% is a lot of people

Really think about that... When you consider people's decision making, is it really that bad?

SOUNDS horrible to me. look if you are willing to live with that possibility they fine but don't go trying to disparage other men who deem the odds too risky as being lames. FOH with that shaming ? .