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  • stringer bell
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    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/trump-intel-slip
    Yet this triumph would be overshadowed by an astonishing conversation in the Oval Office in May, when an intemperate President Trump revealed details about the classified mission to Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, and Sergey I. Kislyak, then Russia’s ambassador to the U.S. Along with the tempest of far-reaching geopolitical consequences that raged as a result of the president’s disclosure, fresh blood was spilled in his long-running combative relationship with the nation’s clandestine services. Israel—as well as America’s other allies—would rethink its willingness to share raw intelligence, and pretty much the entire Free World was left shaking its collective head in bewilderment as it wondered, not for the first time, what was going on with Trump and Russia. (In fact, Trump’s disturbing choice to hand over highly sensitive intelligence to the Russians is now a focus of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Trump’s relationship with Russia, both before and after the election.) In the hand-wringing aftermath, the entire event became, as is so often the case with spy stories, a tale about trust and betrayal.

    And yet, the Israelis cannot say they weren’t warned.

    In the American-Israeli intelligence relationship, it is customary for the Mossad station chief and his operatives working under diplomatic cover out of the embassy in Washington to go to the C.I.A.’s Langley, Virginia, headquarters when a meeting is scheduled. This deferential protocol is based on a realistic appraisal of the situation: America is a superpower, and Israel, as one of the country’s senior intelligence officials recently conceded with self-effacing candor, is “a speck of dust in the wind.”
    On the cloudy spring morning of May 10, just an uneasy day after the president’s sudden firing of F.B.I. director James B. Comey, who had been leading the probe into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives, a beaming President Trump huddled in the Oval Office with Sergey Lavrov and Sergey Kislyak.

    And, no less improbably, Trump seemed not to notice, or feel restrained by, the unfortunate timing of his conversation with Russian officials who were quite possibly co-conspirators in a plot to undermine the U.S. electoral process. Instead, full of a chummy candor, the president turned to his Russian guests and blithely acknowledged the elephant lurking in the room. “I just fired the head of the F.B.I.,” he said, according to a record of the meeting shared with The New York Times. “He was crazy, a real nut job.” With the sort of gruff pragmatism a Mafia don would use to justify the necessity of a hit, he further explained, “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.” Yet that was only the morning’s perplexing prelude. What had been an unseemly conversation between the president and two high-ranking Russian officials soon turned into something more dangerous.

    “I get great intel,” the president suddenly boasted, as prideful as if he were bragging about the amenities at one of his company’s hotels. “I have people brief me on great intel every day.”

    He quickly went on to share with representatives of a foreign adversary not only the broad outlines of the plot to turn laptop computers into airborne bombs but also at least one highly classified operational detail—the sort of sensitive, locked-in-the-vault intel that was not shared with even Congress or friendly governments. The president did not name the U.S. partner who had spearheaded the operation. (Journalists, immediately all over the astonishing story, would soon out Israel). But, more problematic, President Trump cavalierly identified the specific city in ISIS-held territory where the threat had been detected.

    As for the two Russians, there’s no record of their response. Their silence would be understandable: why interrupt the flow of information? But in their minds, no doubt they were already drafting the cable they’d send to the Kremlin detailing their great espionage coup.
    And what about America’s vital intelligence relationships with its allies? Former C.I.A. deputy director Michael Morell publicly worried, “Third countries who provide the United States with intelligence information will now have pause.”

    In Israel, though, the mood is more than merely wary. “Mr. Netanyahu’s intelligence chiefs . . . are up in arms,” a prominent Israeli journalist insisted in The New York Times. In recent interviews with Israeli intelligence sources the frequently used operative verb was “whiten”—as in “certain units from now on will whiten their reports before passing them on to agencies in America.”

    What further exacerbates Israel’s concerns—“keeps me up at night” was how a government spymaster put it—is that if Trump is handing over Israel’s secrets to the Russians, then he just might as well be delivering them to Iran, Russia’s current regional ally. And it is an expansionist Iran, one Israeli after another was determined to point out in the course of discussions, that is arming Hez­bol­lah with sophisticated rockets and weaponry while at the same time becoming an increasingly visible economic and military presence in Syria.

    “Trump betrayed us,” said a senior Israeli military official bluntly, his voice stern with reproach. “And if we can’t trust him, then we’re going to have to do what is necessary on our own if our back is up against the wall with Iran.” Yet while appalled governments are now forced to rethink their tactics in future dealings with a wayward president, there is also the dismaying possibility that a more tangible, and more lethal, consequence has already occurred. “The Russians will undoubtedly try to figure out the source or the method of this information to make sure that it is not also collecting on their activities in Syria—and in trying to do that they could well disrupt the source,” said Michael Morell.

    What, then, was the fate of Israel’s agent in Syria? Was the operative exfiltrated to safety? Has he gone to ground in enemy territory? Or was he hunted down and killed? One former Mossad officer with knowledge of the operation and its aftermath will not say. Except to add pointedly, “Whatever happened to him, it’s a hell of price to pay for a president’s mistake.”


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    The land stealing Zionist JewsIsraelis intelligence agency Mossad maybe turning on Trump…
  • Like Water
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    Broddie wrote: »
    Say good bye to kodi, bit torrent those porn tube sites and all that good ? . Data for your netflix account? Yeah right not at the expense of AT&T or Comcast's own streaming services.

    Unless somebody puts out a hit on Ajit Pai or something.

    Has anyone good come from the Middle East? All my experiences with them have led to the same conclusion: They ? suck.
  • Angeles1son85
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    Trump talkin to the troops for thanksgiving its sad he said which one of you is toby raise your hand there you are toby heard good things about you and tellin all troops everyone is talkin how great we doin in 4 months its never seen before lol and hes gonna have a huge tax cut
  • infamous114
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    Trump talkin to the troops for thanksgiving its sad he said which one of you is toby raise your hand there you are toby heard good things about you and tellin all troops everyone is talkin how great we doin in 4 months its never seen before lol and hes gonna have a huge tax cut

    What a worthless post
  • infamous114
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    It was only as the meeting was about to break up that an American spymaster solemnly announced there was one more thing: American intelligence agencies had come to believe that Russian president Vladimir Putin had “leverages of pressure” over Trump, he declared without offering further specifics, according to a report in the Israeli press. Israel, the American officials continued, should “be careful” after January 20—the date of Trump’s inauguration. It was possible that sensitive information shared with the White House and the National Security Council could be leaked to the Russians. A moment later the officials added what many of the Israelis had already deduced: it was reasonable to presume that the Kremlin would share some of what they learned with their ally Iran, Israel’s most dangerous adversary.
  • northside7
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    Like Water wrote: »
    Broddie wrote: »
    Say good bye to kodi, bit torrent those porn tube sites and all that good ? . Data for your netflix account? Yeah right not at the expense of AT&T or Comcast's own streaming services.

    Unless somebody puts out a hit on Ajit Pai or something.

    Has anyone good come from the Middle East? All my experiences with them have led to the same conclusion: They ? suck.

    South Asia.
  • stringer bell
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tBSaPXjToI

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/art-of-the-deal-writer-tony-schwartz-on-lavar-ball-feud-trumps-frightened-of-black-people/
    Art of the Deal Writer on LaVar Ball Feud: Trump is ‘Frightened Of Black People’

    On Wednesday night, The Art of the Deal co-author Tony Schwartz ripped President Donald Trump for his ongoing feud with LaVar Ball.

    CNN’s John Berman addressed Trump’s recent tweet storm attacking the father of the UCLA player who was freed after he was caught shoplifting in China and asked Schwartz if “it’s what LaVar Ball said or, as some are alleging, how he looks,” that bothers the president so much.

    “Both,” Schwartz responded. “First of all, his father is a tall black man and I think Trump is half awed and half frightened by black people. And his only way of dealing with them is to attack them. And on the other hand, I think he has a zero tolerance for any criticism of any kind. That’s why he goes after anybody who says virtually anything about him that’s negative.”

    Berman flagged Schwartz’s remarks calling Trump “awed and afraid” of black people as a “big statement.” The CNN anchor pressed Schwartz on how he can draw such a conclusion.

    “Well, I mean, I watched him. I mean he was awed, unequivocally awed, during the many times I saw him with members of the team he owned in the USFL, and when he sponsored fights — prize fights. I think he had this kind of ambivalent relationship, where he wished he could have been an athlete like they were. And on the other hand, if he felt fear, he always felt aggression..and a need to put them down.”
  • stringer bell
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  • Angeles1son85
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    The Times cautioned that the termination of information-sharing isn’t proof that Mr. Flynn either has cut a plea deal with prosecutors or is trying to do so — and presumably cooperating with them as a condition of the deal.
    “Defense lawyers frequently share information during investigations, but they must stop when doing so would pose a conflict of interest. It is unethical for lawyers to work together when one client is cooperating with prosecutors and another is still under investigation,”
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  • playmaker88
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    Yea I posted that a few pages ago great read
  • riddlerap
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    i think the freak out over net neutrality is going to be vastly overblown, but only time will tell.
  • Mr.LV
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    riddlerap wrote: »
    i think the freak out over net neutrality is going to be vastly overblown, but only time will tell.

    People are to going to protest and flip over cars if net neutrality taking away.
  • riddlerap
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    pre-2015 this wasn't an issue anyone was freaking out about, not sure why everyone is assuming automatic worst case scenario now
  • The Hue
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    riddlerap wrote: »
    pre-2015 this wasn't an issue anyone was freaking out about, not sure why everyone is assuming automatic worst case scenario now

    Pre-2015 there were still basic net neutrality laws in place, Obama just expanded on those existing laws. Ajit Pai wants to remove ALL net neutrality laws, including the most basic ones that were established during the Bush administration.
  • Broddie
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    riddlerap wrote: »
    pre-2015 this wasn't an issue anyone was freaking out about, not sure why everyone is assuming automatic worst case scenario now

    Because there is an actual deadline set for the vote to remove all these net neutrality laws now? Jesus Christ lol.
  • Broddie
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    "I don't get how people were not worried 3 years ago about something that will affect them later on today."

    Lmao

    Lord have mercy.
  • blue_london
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    184 people reported dead after a gunman storms a mosque in Egypt.
  • marc123
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    184 people reported dead after a gunman storms a mosque in Egypt.

    Now 235 ppl smh
  • Mr.LV
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    Incident in London underground station.
  • texas409
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    Terrible blow. I know too many who don't give a damn enough to vote and they don't think anything ever affects them personally, but will spend several hours of their day posting to social sites, streaming on Netflix and playing online games. Providers are going to nickle and dime everyone to death for internet access. You think your cell phone bill has random fees? Just wait until those first post-net neutrality bills are sent out...

    Y'all sound like the white man getting angry at the oppressed instead of going after the oppressors. Tell us how we can fight the enemy instead of clowning us for not being able to fight back
  • blue_london
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    marc123 wrote: »
    184 people reported dead after a gunman storms a mosque in Egypt.

    Now 235 ppl smh

    It's sad man... People don't realise that Isis other terrorist groups are killing more Muslims than anyone else
  • Angeles1son85
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    edited November 2017
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