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HundredEyes wrote: »Idiopathic Joker wrote: »It'll be so dope to see Michael Jai White as The Green Lantern
Damn shame Idriss is Heimdall cause he would have been the perfect Jon Stewart man...just cant see Michael Jai as Jon...Jon is suppose to be a better strategist than the gottdamn batman, a true leader etc
I wouldn't be able to picture MJW playing a jewish comedian either. -
What is it with you ? and michael jai white lmao. Hes trash.
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That's Tyrese part and y'all know it!
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can you imagine that wack ass ? telling the Guardians "WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT FROM MEEEEEEEEE"
FOH I'll treat DC like alan moore does if he gets that part -
https://www.gq.com/story/its-not-too-late-to-save-the-justice-league-franchise
It was a notoriously difficult effort to get Justice League into shape for its theatrical release, and the days following its debut haven’t been much easier. Reviews were not charitable, and the box-office returns have been disappointing. Warner Bros. is on track to lose as much as $100 million on Justice League.
But it’s not too late to salvage this underwhelming ? at these very popular characters. Justice League is a mess, but it also wraps up most of the DCEU’s pre-existing dangling threads. So what can they do next?
Take cues from X-Men, not Marvel
Many of the DCEU’s biggest missteps can be attributed to Warner Bros.’ overeager efforts to catch up to Marvel. Rather than spend time gradually building out the universe after the so-so Man of Steel, Warner Bros. went all in on Zack Snyder’s grim-and-gritty take on the D.C. Comics universe, cramming the introductions of Batman and Wonder Woman into a single movie, and tossing in some eyeroll-worthy cameos for Aquaman, the Flash, and Cyborg.
But Warner Bros. has been chasing the wrong model all along. There’s a reason audiences keep rejecting attempts to kickstart new Marvel-style cinematic universes: They’re a tremendous pain in the ass to keep up with, and a single lackluster entry can derail interest in the whole franchise.
Fortunately, there’s another model worthy of emulation: the recently reinvigorated X-Men franchise. After years as a bronze medal winner in the race for "superhero franchises audiences kind of give a ? about," X-Men underwent a remarkable late-stage reinvention, with Deadpool, Logan, and FX’s Legion telling distinct stories within the X-Men franchise—none of which looked or felt anything alike. And if there were any concern about the greater framework that actually united all those stories, the answer ultimately turned out to be "Who cares?"—because anything that watered down those original stories in favor of X-Men continuity would have felt like a mealy-mouthed compromise.
Forget about a shared universe
You could argue that it’s too late from Warner Bros. to back away from a Marvel-style cinematic universe—that movies like Batman v. Superman, Suicide Squad, and Justice League have laid too much groundwork to break these characters off into standalone stories again.
But a closer look at the DCEU reveals that there are already plenty of tonal differences and continuity errors that make these movies feel like similar puzzle pieces that don’t quite fit together. Bruce Wayne’s sneering contempt for Wonder Woman in Justice League—which hinges on his belief that she abandoned her role as humanity’s protector after the death of Steve Trevor—isn’t just a betrayal of the character as established in Wonder Woman; it’s in defiance of an earlier scene in Justice League, in which Wonder Woman saves a bunch of hostages from Roose Bolton.
In short: We’re only four movies deep, and the DCEU already isn’t hanging together all that well—and Justice League’s oddball tonal issues, which are a natural byproduct of the movie being cobbled together by two very different directors, have only made the problem more glaring.
Immediately abandon everything else that hasn’t worked so far
For better or worse, Justice League is the fulfillment of an implicit promise made by Batman v. Superman: all these superheroes are gonna be in a movie together. And now that that promise has been fulfilled, there’s an unprecedented opportunity to back away from those early mistakes and mount a soft reboot of the DCEU, quietly jettisoning all the junk that just doesn’t work. This would require a little selective amnesia—Justice League’s post-credits stinger reintroduces Jesse Eisenberg’s obnoxious Lex Luthor as he recruits the Batman villain Deathstroke—but there’s no reason Lex Luthor actually needs to be a part of The Batman.
This culling process might already have begun. There’s no indication, for example, that future DCEU movies will bother to follow up on the bizarre easter egg that was Bruce Wayne’s "dream" in Batman v. Superman, which heavily implied a dystopian future led by a despotic Superman. Smartly ignoring a dead-end dangling thread like that one is exactly the kind of ruthless reset that will get these movies back on track as quickly as possible. Will mainstream audiences really care if we never find out where Suicide Squad’s June Moone and Rick Flag ended up? Or if we never see Jared Leto’s dishwater-dull "twisted" take on the Joker again? Or if Ben Affleck gives up on finding a "cool way" to exit the role of Batman—whom he clearly loathes playing—and lets some other, more interesting actor step into the cape and cowl for Matt Reeves’s upcoming standalone Batman movie?
This approach would undoubtedly infuriate the small contingent of devoted fans who adore the DCEU. But it would also give Warner Bros. a second chance to win over the audience that has emphatically rejected Justice League, and who are less likely to check out future movies that rely on convoluted continuity they never bothered to learn in the first place.
Make some genuinely risky choices
A confession: I have a begrudging respect for Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice. It’s not a good movie, but it is a movie that is unfailingly and perversely committed to an extremely specific vision of these superheroes. Compared to the supreme dullness of the movie-by-committee approach pioneered by the DCEU in Suicide Squad—which I sincerely hope has reached its nadir in Justice League—Batman v. Superman is a movie that actually tries to do something new with this genre.
Of course, Batman v. Superman doesn’t hold a candle to superhero movies that are just as distinctive while being, you know, good. And the DCEU has an ideal model for what that might look like in Wonder Woman, which found an ideal creative mind in Patty Jenkins. Audiences didn’t turn up for Wonder Woman because they loved the character’s introduction in Batman v. Superman; they turned up for Wonder Woman because it was a damn good movie, groundbreaking and passionately told.
And as audiences burn out on more traditional superhero movies, it’s an ideal time to think about the big swings that might make a blockbuster stand out from the pack. There’s a reason that Deadpool, which eagerly pokes fun at the X-Men franchise, outgrossed every other X-Men movie by more than $100 million, and that Logan easily outgrossed the more conventional X-Men: Apocalypse. Those movies announced themselves as different than everything that had come before, and audiences clearly responded.
We already know what’s next for the DCEU: a standalone Aquaman movie, the introduction of Shazam, and a Wonder Woman sequel. But there are hints that the company has bolder, weirder plans for the future. An origin story for the Joker—not played by Jared Leto—inspired by Taxi Driver and directed by the dude behind the Hangover trilogy? I’m not convinced that’s going to be a good movie, but it’s certainly more intriguing than Justice League 2.
Bring Dwayne Johnson into the mix as soon as humanly possible
There is one long-delayed plan that Warner Bros. should double down on immediately. Which Hollywood celebrity is closest to being an actual, real-life superhero? Dwayne Johnson. Which is why it’s bananas that Johnson has yet to appear in a single superhero movie. For ages, Johnson has been attached to play Black Adam, an antihero who was originally introduced as a villain opposing Shazam. But Johnson says he won’t appear in the Shazam movie slated for released in 2019—and while he has repeatedly teased an upcoming battle between Black Adam and Superman, it’s unclear when he’ll actually debut as the character.
So, uh, where is he? This is not the time to hold anything back, Warner Bros. If you put the Rock in a superhero movie, people will come -
i hate to say it but following the xmen model is not the worst idea. Fox had movies that made BvS and suicide squad look like masterpieces, but they kept at it and now they got a better TV presence that Marvel does, a new, younger cast to continue the franchise, ryan reynolds building the world around him, gave Logan a proper sendoff, and theyre not giving a ? what Marvel is doing with their movies. And the TV and movies do have a shared universe, they just dont beat you over the head with it.
Everything else just seems like suggesting they wanna do more stuff like wonder woman which is a step in the right directions. Drop all these team up movies and build up your characters. find the next patty jenkins (David Ayer gave me hope but WB seriously ? that one up). Maybe Wan will pull it off. -
matches malone wrote: »i hate to say it but following the xmen model is not the worst idea. Fox had movies that made BvS and suicide squad look like masterpieces, but they kept at it and now they got a better TV presence that Marvel does, a new, younger cast to continue the franchise, ryan reynolds building the world around him, gave Logan a proper sendoff, and theyre not giving a ? what Marvel is doing with their movies. And the TV and movies do have a shared universe, they just dont beat you over the head with it.
Everything else just seems like suggesting they wanna do more stuff like wonder woman which is a step in the right directions. Drop all these team up movies and build up your characters. find the next patty jenkins (David Ayer gave me hope but WB seriously ? that one up). Maybe Wan will pull it off.
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I like the X-Men approach way more than the MCU approach personally. Story > continuity. DC used to be about that once upon a time. Go back to the roots.
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HundredEyes wrote: »Idiopathic Joker wrote: »It'll be so dope to see Michael Jai White as The Green Lantern
Damn shame Idriss is Heimdall cause he would have been the perfect Jon Stewart man...just cant see Michael Jai as Jon...Jon is suppose to be a better strategist than the gottdamn batman, a true leader etc
I wouldn't be able to picture MJW playing a jewish comedian either.
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I like the X-Men approach way more than the MCU approach personally. Story > continuity. DC used to be about that once upon a time. Go back to the roots.
if X-men story >>> MCU continuity concerning X men movies then why is their catalogue pretty average overall ? -
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Because they had a period of mediocrity from The Last Stand to First Class. That doesn't change the fact that their strongest entries are pretty exceptional because of story and character and far ahead of other superhero franchises when it comes to that. -
fortyacres wrote: »
Because they had a period of mediocrity from The Last Stand to First Class. That doesn't change the fact that their strongest entries are pretty exceptional because of story and character and far ahead of other superhero franchises when it comes to that.
i cant agree , they are very hit n miss in both character and story development, even to this day , but they been on a roll with Deadpool & Logan. -
Whos stronger mr. Mamhattan or black Adam???
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OmegaConflict wrote: »Whos stronger mr. Mamhattan or black Adam???
Whos mr mamhattan? -
Lol at the X-Men stories being better than MCU's. I will say that X-Men stories in the comics are better than Avengers, Cap's, Thor's, Black Panther, GOTG and Ant-Man.
Fox dropped the ball when it came to putting the story on film.
X2, Logan, Days of Future Past, First Class and Legion all objectively have better character driven stories and stronger themes than MCU movies. You need to remove yourself from your comic nerd feelings if you can't see how. Ok these are not the X-Men movies & TV shows you wanted. Boo hoo. Doesn't lessen the actual stand out quality of those productions though. -
I'd agree that X-Men could have been some next level ? given the characters and stories developed in the comics and cartoons. The tone of some of those movies could have been like Logan and set the franchise apart as great movies with no gimmicks. They went too kiddy with X-Men.
In actuality, the tone DC was going for was better suited for X-Men and vice versa. -
Keep in mind I hate Bryan Singer and no these are not the X-Men movies I dreamed of as a kid. However if I keep it one hunnid he and his team have assembled better MOVIES than any other superhero movie assembly line.
For the simple fact that they all had a beginning, middle and end and each came to satisfying conclusions. They feel like fully realized motion pictures. That's why they've endured for 17 years now.
You can watch X2 and no other X-Men movie and still walk away satisfied. They don't feel like incomplete episodes in a long running TV show like a lot of other modern day superhero movies do.
If WB/DC could accomplish a similar feat then more power to them. -
Lol at the X-Men stories being better than MCU's. I will say that X-Men stories in the comics are better than Avengers, Cap's, Thor's, Black Panther, GOTG and Ant-Man.
Fox dropped the ball when it came to putting the story on film.
X2, Logan, Days of Future Past, First Class and Legion all objectively have better character driven stories and stronger themes than MCU movies. You need to remove yourself from your comic nerd feelings if you can't see how. Ok these are not the X-Men movies & TV shows you wanted. Boo hoo. Doesn't lessen the actual stand out quality of those productions though.
FOH. X-Men movies was borderline ass but oh no they gave us a cool storyline lol WTF. If the storyline is cool but if it doesn't turn into a great scene/ film then DC is back to square one. Why not have both both be good?
Take The Gifted for instance. Great show and great story and they didn't follow the source material but still the show is great because they wrote something worth a damn
The same could be said about a lot of the movies but your bias is so strong it completely blinds you from ever realizing it.
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Lol at the X-Men stories being better than MCU's. I will say that X-Men stories in the comics are better than Avengers, Cap's, Thor's, Black Panther, GOTG and Ant-Man.
Fox dropped the ball when it came to putting the story on film.
I agree. How can fox reboot the franchise and ? up the third movie in the franchise again. It's their fault because they flew too close to the sun with age of apocalype and Apocalypse wasn't the reason the movie was bad. Just like xmen last stand they had too many stories or too Much going on at the same time. It was too early to bring in Apocalypse. How is a team of barely experienced teenagers going to defeat apoc and the four horsemen being that they were a team of Mostly omega level mutants. The cast sucked I didn't like cyclops ,nightcrawler or jean gray, and quicksilver shouldn't have returned. They threw William striker in their and that weapon x scene for the hell of it. The movie was straight trash. millennial idiots in YouTube comments think Fox's quicksilver was the better version because he had swag when marvels version was more true to the character. Now thanks to fox we have an avengers team with the scarlet witch but no quicksilver. -
How can you say quicksilver marvel was true to the character when the ? died and was barely in th movie anyway
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Lol at the X-Men stories being better than MCU's. I will say that X-Men stories in the comics are better than Avengers, Cap's, Thor's, Black Panther, GOTG and Ant-Man.
Fox dropped the ball when it came to putting the story on film.
X2, Logan, Days of Future Past, First Class and Legion all objectively have better character driven stories and stronger themes than MCU movies. You need to remove yourself from your comic nerd feelings if you can't see how. Ok these are not the X-Men movies & TV shows you wanted. Boo hoo. Doesn't lessen the actual stand out quality of those productions though.
FOH. X-Men movies was borderline ass but oh no they gave us a cool storyline lol WTF. If the storyline is cool but if it doesn't turn into a great scene/ film then DC is back to square one. Why not have both both be good?
Take The Gifted for instance. Great show and great story and they didn't follow the source material but still the show is great because they wrote something worth a damn
The same could be said about a lot of the movies but your bias is so strong it completely blinds you from ever realizing it.
Ayo shut up Infinity War trailer dropped
nothing else we need to talk about b
Link or it didn't happen. -
StoneColdMikey wrote: »How can you say quicksilver marvel was true to the character when the ? died and was barely in th movie anyway
Because Fox's quicksilver was a one trick pony who saved people with a slow motion freeze time music montage that's why. He wasn't needed innx men apocalypse and he did the same ? in that movie also. Pay attention son. -
Lol at the X-Men stories being better than MCU's. I will say that X-Men stories in the comics are better than Avengers, Cap's, Thor's, Black Panther, GOTG and Ant-Man.
Fox dropped the ball when it came to putting the story on film.
X2, Logan, Days of Future Past, First Class and Legion all objectively have better character driven stories and stronger themes than MCU movies. You need to remove yourself from your comic nerd feelings if you can't see how. Ok these are not the X-Men movies & TV shows you wanted. Boo hoo. Doesn't lessen the actual stand out quality of those productions though.
FOH. X-Men movies was borderline ass but oh no they gave us a cool storyline lol WTF. If the storyline is cool but if it doesn't turn into a great scene/ film then DC is back to square one. Why not have both both be good?
Take The Gifted for instance. Great show and great story and they didn't follow the source material but still the show is great because they wrote something worth a damn
The same could be said about a lot of the movies but your bias is so strong it completely blinds you from ever realizing it.
Ayo shut up Infinity War trailer dropped
nothing else we need to talk about b
Link or it didn't happen.
In the Marvel thread b it's lit
Not really a fan so I never visit that thread.
Gonna avoid the trailer anyway. I might actually see that movie and would prefer to go in as fresh as possible. -
Idiopathic Joker wrote: »OmegaConflict wrote: »Whos stronger mr. Mamhattan or black Adam???
Whos mr mamhattan?
Mr Ma'amhattan is the all powerful ? superhero. He's Idiopathic Joker's favorite character. -
Most of the XMEN movies are straight trash, that not something you want to emulate.
