Artists who make their own beats( Best combo of both)
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Of the list....quik
Of the newer generatipn...i think logic gotta be mentioned
Logic is trash. Get that generic, "woe is me", mulatto copycat the ? up outta here.
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K.r.i.tAnd this thread is turning into b.s
Someone mentioned alchemist and Mannie fresh
We're only talking about producers who are also elite level rappers. Just cause they can struggle rap don't mean they should be mentioned.
And Kanye and ? C are elite level rappers?
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Revolver Ocelot wrote: »
They are. And even if you disagree they hold a different standard than Mannie ? fresh
? , I might as well mentioned Swizz beats then -
I never understood the hate RZA gets
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OtherBusta Carmichael wrote: »
How Kanye get put on as a rapper when he was producing for the Roc B4 we even knew who the ? was??? He was put on as a producer the rapping came later and at this point we don't know who wrote what but we know they both came in as producers and got ghost writers can't exclude one and include the other
I know he was producing since 98/99 for the roc.
But what I meant was that he had to prove he could rap to them and they put him on the team as a rapper. Not that they gave him lyrics to spit. They gave him a rapper on the team spotlight.
Also there is a freestyle rap battle between common and ye on youtube from 96.
So dude has legit been spitting. And I believe he wrote the first album.
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K.r.i.tRevolver Ocelot wrote: »
They are. And even if you disagree they hold a different standard than Mannie ? fresh
? , I might as well mentioned Swizz beats then
According to who?
I'd put Fresh and ? in the same category. Far better producers than rappers.
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OtherI never understood the hate RZA gets
He's too offbeat.
Watch the wild n out freestyle he just did. He's even offbeat on there -
Busta Carmichael wrote: »
Which is insane how a producer of his caliber doesn't know how to stay on tempo.
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OtherBusta Carmichael wrote: »
Which is insane how a producer of his caliber doesn't know how to stay on tempo.
I think it might be his style of choice. Because he's not offbeat on aint nothing ta ? wit or tearz on the first album.
First time I heard the offbeat flow it was on triumph. J dilla made the offbeat beat hot. Maybe rza thought he was going to do the same thing and no one has ever told him in his face that ? is garbage -
Busta Carmichael wrote: »Busta Carmichael wrote: »
Which is insane how a producer of his caliber doesn't know how to stay on tempo.Busta Carmichael wrote: »Busta Carmichael wrote: »
Which is insane how a producer of his caliber doesn't know how to stay on tempo.
I think it might be his style of choice. Because he's not offbeat on aint nothing ta ? wit or tearz on the first album.
First time I heard the offbeat flow it was on triumph. J dilla made the offbeat beat hot. Maybe rza thought he was going to do the same thing and no one has ever told him in his face that ? is garbage
I always looked at it like, there's 9 MCs. Everybody can't have the same style. So on a posse jam his sped up, offbeat flow works imo.
I'm not saying he's the GOAT or anything but I think his style works on Wu Tang projects and the Gravediggaz albums. In fact I always liked The Night The Earth Cried from The Gravediggaz 2nd LP. -
Dj quikDiamond D and a lot heads seems to forget that J-Dilla could spit a hot 16 as well
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KanyeKanye West has classic rap albums not one but 4-5 depending who you ask....
And so does Dre in fact he has arguably the greatest rap album depending on who you ask so ain't no way you can count ye and not dre by no metric -
Dj quikQuik
Masta Ace
Rakim
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Like Water wrote: »
Logic is dope...dont know what your hating for
Hes a better rapper and a better producer than many ppl being mentioned in this thread -
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How the ? was EPMD as a group and individually not in the poll?
Why was Redman not in the poll either?
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J dilla
No question
Black milk is ok but his beats overshadow his rhyming ability -
Sweat jones wrote: »J dilla
No question
Black milk is ok but his beats overshadow his rhyming ability
damn. Can't believe I left out Jay and Black Milk. Throw Madlib in there too. -
@bck145 So rza makes terrible beats but logic makes good beats.
That's what your saying? I'm not attacking or judging you cause music is subjective Just curious...
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Imo the incredible true story is soncially better than any wu tang album
Im also not a wu tang fan at all and on record as not overly crazy about a lot of 90s new york production -
J Dilla's flow is probably the nastiest. It sounds effortless, like second nature.
Black Milk is congruent. His beats and his flows are real close.
Evidence is a dope producer who raps, he's under-"ratedly" congruent.
Devin the Dude is criminally slept on, has he gotten mentioned yet?
Just Blaze and Primo have dope rugged sounding voices, I never understood why I've never heard them rap. I've never heard Battlecat rap either.
I heard 9th Wonder rap on a track once, and he had some weird bouncy flow that was perfectly on beat. It was an original cadence that kind of explained his originality as well. He would have been a dope accent to Phonte and Big Pooh.
Hi-Tek is probably the most underrated. His production is always legit and his flow is always on point. His Hi-Teknology album's were always legit. Relaxed and in the pocket, he's one of the best.
those are the ones I can think of that didn't get mentioned. Black Milk was mentioned, but to say his beats overshadow him, isn't true at all.
