Remember when Nas called The Roots ? /porchmunkeez for working with Jay-Z?

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soul rattler
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edited June 2011 in The Reason
By now everyone is aware of the strange and twisted turns the Jay Z vs. Nas battle has taken over the last week. Its much better then any soap opera. If you ask me someone should replace 'All My Children' with a new show called 'As The Hip Hop World Turns'. Here's the latest break down:

First, there were early stories that Nas went on New York's famed Hot 97 radio and called out The Roots. 'Sambos', 'Porch Monkeys', 'Hypocrites' and 'confused rap artists' were among the choice words he used when lambasting them. He felt they were hypocritical because it wasn't too long ago that The Roots did a video for the song 'What They Do' where they poked fun at the Moet Drinking fast living lifestyle personified by rappers like Jay-Z and Mobb Deep. Nas pointed out that after making such a potent statement they turned around and played back up for Jay-Z during his MTV Unplugged performance.

Nas also ripped into Roc-A-Fella records and blasted them for putting out the movie 'State Property'. He felt it was a step backwards for Black people and had no redeeming values. He stated that we as a community had moved past the era where we all have to walk around and pretend to be gangstas and ? one another in our songs and videos.

Now with Nas publicly dissing The Roots several huge debates erupted. First, were The Roots hypocritical in their actions? Are you selling out when you take a stance against a certain lifestyle and mode of expression within Hip Hop and then hook up with cats who represent that lifestyle? The Roots seemed to have always moved in a direction that left one with the perception they aren't down for all the commercialism within Hip Hop. At the same time should we be segregating ourselves and does one not have the right to change their mind? More importantly, aren't we all guilty of being hypocritical at various times in our lives?

Black Thought, lead rapper for The Roots responded to Nas' complaint the other day when he himself called into Hot 97. He broke it down and explained that the video they did was a satire that poked fun at rap video cliches which included the scantily clad women and guys sipping on crystal and Moet. It was actually a take on a rock video which was done earlier which poked fun at rock video cliches... He noted that if Nas had a problem he should've directed his concerns to director Charles Stone.

Black Thought also took Nas to task for his own hypocrisy. He pointed out that Nas is found of saying in all his songs that we need to go back to Africa and reconnect with the motherland. Black Thought noted that he was calling the radio station from Soweto, South Africa. He wanted to know when Nas was going to make the trek himself and not just rap about it. He also checked Nas about an off handed remark he made about Black Thought thinking he was righteous because he wore dreads. Black Thought reminded the audience that he had cut his red almost two years ago.

Roc-A-Fella CEO Damon Dash was in the Hot 97 studios when Black Thought called in and backed him up. He noted that Nas was off base in his criticism because if the 'What They Do' video was directed at the Roc-A-Fella camp, they certainly didn't have no problem with it or The Roots.

Many were speculating that Nas may actually have been heated be the fact that during the Unplugged performance The Roots played excerpts from some of Nas' classic songs when Jay-Z did the dis song 'Takeover'. By doing this, he felt the Roots had picked sides in this war of words between Nas and Jay-Z. For those who care to listen to the comments there's an audio clip of both Nas' remarks and Black Thoughts comments on www.okayplayer.com. Some are saying that Black Thought tried to pass the buck on both The Roots video as well as their involvement in the MTV Unplugged show. In the words of the great Rodney King-- 'Can't we all just get along?'

The other debate this latest incident sparked is whether or not Black Thought could handle Nas in an emcee battle. The jury is still out on that one... Whether you agree with Nas and remarks or not, there's no denying the kid got skillz. He's still one of Hip Hop's all-time top lyricists. On the flipside Black Thought is underrated yet very gifted. Most are tempted to give the nod to Nas. As for me, I think Black Thought is hungry and would take young Nasir Jones out to the woodshed and teach him a thing or two. Perhaps both could do a song about their love for Africa.

Lastly I wanna address this debate about whether or not The Roots sold out by playing with Jay-Z? I don't get it... How many would turn down a gig with MTV? Who would refuse to appear on stage with a multi-platinum artist like Jay-Z. Its not like on their next album Black Thought and the crew are going to be drinking Moet and having bikini clad sistas running around while they sing about 'Big Pimping'. That's not their steez. At the same time as accomplished musicians why shouldn't they play back ground for Jay-Z? Should Jigga have gotten another band? Let's say he got a rock band or some new jacks no one ever heard of that came off wack, cats would be complaining that Jay-Z and MTV were wrong for not asking The Roots. Cats would be screaming that 'real' Hip Hop wasn't given a chance to shine.

What is it that cats want? Should ?estlove and the rest of The Roots Band have held a press conference prior to playing back up for Jay-Z and offer some sort of explanation? Should they have issued a press release saying 'We The Roots apologize for dissing Moet drinking, Fast Life living rap stars. We were wrong to dis them. Their lifestyle is OK and we would like to play backup for Jay-Z?' The way some are making it sound it would've been ideal for the Roots to have stood on a soap box and say 'Hell naw we ain't playing back up for Jay-Z, not until he changes his evil ways?' And even if they did, do you honestly think Jay-Z would've gone home and came back a changed man?

Is it not a good thing when The Roots who come from one perspective to hook up with an artist who represents another? Isn't dialogue, collaboration and engagement the way to bring about change and have influence? Are Jay-Z fans sitting back at home looking in shock and disbelief and complaining that Jay-Z is ruining the thugged out rap style he personifies by hooking up with some underground cats like the Roots? Are Jay-Z fans accusing him of not keeping it 'gully'? Did he lose his street cred for hooking up? Are cats in Jay-Z's native Marcy Projects saying 'Hell Naw Jigga-man you sold out hooking up with those 'positive' cats? Are cats from the streets complaining that Jay-Z needed to bring some straight up hard-core ghetto cats who all have lengthy prison records and no redeeming qualities. Would that have been more appropriate?

Let's get real folks...MTV wasn't calling up The Roots to do an Unplugged show. They called Jay-Z. If it was the other way around it'd be a different story. Maybe the Roots would have Jay-Z on a flipping rhymes and highlighting their message. Like him or not, Jigga has sold millions of records and cats are checking for him. Hence it was to The Roots advantage to show up and perform. Who would turn down such a gig? Not only did they benefit from the exposure, they also may have opened doors so they could lead to them being asked to come back and do more MTV Unplugged either for themselves or other Hip Hop groups like them. To me that's a good thing...
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  • dalyricalbandit
    dalyricalbandit Members, Moderators Posts: 67,918 Regulator
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    Cant believe all this ? was 10yrs ago
  • Elzo69Renaissance
    Elzo69Renaissance Members Posts: 50,708 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    NAs was just at the roots picnic. All is well in the world
  • shootemwon
    shootemwon Members Posts: 4,635 ✭✭
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    When is everyone gonna learn....regardless of what you think of Nas as a rapper, the dude is a complete idiot.
  • ustreet_monsta
    ustreet_monsta Members Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭
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    We're so quick to call each other out over perceived race issues. Constantly using race as a wedge when we can't make an intelligent argument.

    Glad they patched it up and Nas should be glad Black Thought didnt go in on him.

    Woulda been worse than Takeover and he wouldnt have had the luxury of writing a diss track for 2 years to fight back with.
  • thesynthesis
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    black thought cant hold a candle to nas


    and takeover was wack


    real compton g's> takeover
  • ustreet_monsta
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    Black Thought has been consistent his whole career. From day one. Rapping real life ? . No pink suits, no diamond chains, no L's unless he was on the trolly on Market Street.

    Nas on the other hand didnt figure it out until after he got hit with Takeover and became the anti-Jay-Z.
  • thesynthesis
    thesynthesis Members Posts: 9,230 ✭✭✭
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    black thought has 5 fans and ur one of them


    nas is the greatest lyricist to ever go plat, he pushes himself

    black thought never had much success simply because he aint on nas level
  • thesynthesis
    thesynthesis Members Posts: 9,230 ✭✭✭
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    takeover was wack

    nas went easy on jay with ether, real easy

    jay got off lightly

    even though jay spent the next day crying on hot 97 lmao

    jay cant bust a grape to make wine
  • ustreet_monsta
    ustreet_monsta Members Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭
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    I can tell who just likes the drama and who really loves Hip Hop. It aint hard to tell.

    roots_grammy_win_510.jpg
  • thesynthesis
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    so because i think nas> black thought

    i dont luv hip hop?

    bwahahaha
  • soul rattler
    soul rattler Members Posts: 18,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What could Nas have possibly said about Black Thought? Black Thought is who Nas wishes he could be.


    Think about it. Black Thought is garuenteed good beats because he has his own band. Black Thought is the only rapper in his clique. The Roots can perform without running out of breath every 2 seconds. Nas has none of that.
  • thesynthesis
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    Nas doesnt wish to be anyone but NAS

    Nas> Black Thought

    men lie, women lie, numbers dont
  • Disciplined InSight
    Disciplined InSight Members Posts: 13,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Regardless of this drama that happened 10 years ago, Black Thought is still a dope emcee, Nas is still a top 5 emcee and Jay-Z got knocked off his high horse and lost the battle of his career.
  • rip.dilla
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  • soul rattler
    soul rattler Members Posts: 18,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Regardless of this drama that happened 10 years ago, Black Thought is still a dope emcee, Nas is still a top 5 emcee and Jay-Z got knocked off his high horse and lost the battle of his career.

    What does this have to do with Jay-Z? This is about Nas recklessly hurling racial epithets at people. smh @ Queens ? and their crab in a barrell mentality.
  • soul rattler
    soul rattler Members Posts: 18,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    rip.dilla wrote: »
    The sig

    Common already kicked his ass on wax
  • rip.dilla
    rip.dilla Members Posts: 17,412 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Common already kicked his ass on wax

    I bet if you ask Common and Thought today about their Top 5's . . .
  • ustreet_monsta
    ustreet_monsta Members Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭
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    What could Nas have possibly said about Black Thought? Black Thought is who Nas wishes he could be.


    Think about it. Black Thought is garuenteed good beats because he has his own band. Black Thought is the only rapper in his clique. The Roots can perform without running out of breath every 2 seconds. Nas has none of that.

    Back then Nas wouldnt have had the high road in a battle with Black Thought. Nas didnt get righteous until Stillmatic. He didnt have a Distant Relatives or a Untitled in his collection to make him the Avatar of Black music that he is today.

    Nas is my favorite rapper, but you gotta be smoking rocks if you think Black Thought isnt a better battle rapper or showman.
  • thesynthesis
    thesynthesis Members Posts: 9,230 ✭✭✭
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    What does this have to do with Jay-Z? This is about Nas recklessly hurling racial epithets at people. smh @ Queens ? and their crab in a barrell mentality.

    it has everything to do with jayz being a ? who supports ? activities...

    dont kick dirt on the prophet nas and while showing luv to a ? like jayz
  • thesynthesis
    thesynthesis Members Posts: 9,230 ✭✭✭
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    nigags wanna get on there "Pro Black" at the same time supporting cooperate ? like Jayz who do NOTHING WHATS SO EVER for the black folk

    Nas done more for black folk than Jay z done putting negros back a 100 years
  • soul rattler
    soul rattler Members Posts: 18,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    rip.dilla wrote: »
    I bet if you ask Common and Thought today about their Top 5's . . .

    So what????? Tupac got him on wax too. And no, you can't ask a dead man if Nas is in his top 5.
  • ocelot
    ocelot Members Posts: 10,019 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I just listen to Nas's music... i dont take him serious outside of that
  • P. Town
    P. Town Members Posts: 27,306 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    nigags wanna get on there "Pro Black" at the same time supporting cooperate ? like Jayz who do NOTHING WHATS SO EVER for the black folk

    Nas done more for black folk than Jay z done putting negros back a 100 years

    Word, while Nas was contradicting himself screaming "Africa, Africa" with about $100,000 worth of blood diamonds around his neck. Hov was in Africa, being hands on..
  • rip.dilla
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    So what????? Tupac got him on wax too. And no, you can't ask a dead man if Nas is in his top 5.

    The IC numerous times have crowned dude the GOAT alive

    I mean even Common and Thought couldn't have dreamt up 'Ether' considering Jigg's status in the game then

    Dude wanted to go at the whole industry back then in '02, mostly NY rappers

    A Braveheart
  • soul rattler
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    nigags wanna get on there "Pro Black" at the same time supporting cooperate ? like Jayz who do NOTHING WHATS SO EVER for the black folk

    Nas done more for black folk than Jay z done putting negros back a 100 years

    You realize that Nas signed to the label he once called "the evil empire" while Jay-Z was president? Then collaborated with him on two songs, did an interview on Mtv, and performed together live multiple times? Nas also was on a song called "You Owe Me".