The story of the no limit/cash money beef
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Anybody that been a follower of deep ? south music knows about the history or the turf rivalry that been going on between Cash Money and No Limit Records. But what people don’t know is that the beef started before both camps really started blowing up. Starting at 1994 where Mystikal, Who was signed to an Independent record label Big Boy Records found himself in the middle of the beef between Big Boy and Cash Money. Artists such as U.N.L.V., and BG started off the war by going at Mystikal on songs like Drag Em in the River and ? Big Boy. The beef would take a turn for the worst on the street level when one of the artists was killed sitting in his car and it was heavily speculated that Baby was the one that orchestrated the hit. Theres a high possibly that he even rapped about the incident on B.G.’s Made Man:
Anybody that been a follower of deep ? south music knows about the history or the turf rivalry that been going on between Cash Money and No Limit Records. But what people don’t know is that the beef started before both camps really started blowing up. Starting at 1994 where Mystikal, Who was signed to an Independent record label Big Boy Records found himself in the middle of the beef between Big Boy and Cash Money. Artists such as U.N.L.V., and BG started off the war by going at Mystikal on songs like Drag Em in the River and ? Big Boy. The beef would take a turn for the worst on the street level when one of the artists was killed sitting in his car and it was heavily speculated that Baby was the one that orchestrated the hit. Theres a high possibly that he even rapped about the incident on B.G.’s Made Man:
? disrespect lets put the ? to sleep (put’em ta sleep)
I’m discreet about the things that I do on the streets
Them ? be sayin’ baby put that ? ’ boy to sleep (baby done that?)
Them ? be sayin’ baby put that change on his feet (baby done that?)
I got these ? sayin’ that boy babys a crook (a crook?)
I’m discreet about the things that I do on the streets
Them ? be sayin’ baby put that ? ’ boy to sleep (baby done that?)
Them ? be sayin’ baby put that change on his feet (baby done that?)
I got these ? sayin’ that boy babys a crook (a crook?)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHWODpkqxLo
Mystikal waited until he released his 2nd album Mind of Mysikal to retaliate to the Cash Money disses and he did in a major way putting out one of the best songs of his career with Beware: The track not only showed that Mysikal wasn’t a punk but he can also get down and ? with the best of them as well.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLn6M9z4S1MThe Mind of Mystikal ended up opening up doors for Mystikal and his career as he would go on to find bigger success by signing to Master P and No Limit Records in 1997. Cash Money meanwhile would continue to build their underground following with releases from B.G, The Hot Boys, and juvenile.
The beef would die down briefly but 1998 was the breaking year for both camps. Master P after all of the hard work that he’s put in with his consistent releases from himself and his camp would finally catch the big break as he released Ghetto D with his smash Make Em Say Uggh. Bout it Bout it was a classic Southern hit but Make Em Say Uggh crossed P into the mainstream and he would then continue the momentum by releasing platinum albums from Silkk, C-Murder, Mia X, Mystikal and the newly signed Snoop Dogg.
Cash Money would soon follow suit as they brokered a deal that is possibly the biggest in hip hop. Cash Money Records signed a deal with Universal worth 30 million records along with keeping 85 % of their royalties and 50% of their ownership and publishing. This was the big break Cash Money needed and now with the big financial backing, They could finally compete with Master P and No Limit. The first release was Juvenille’s 400 Degreez which is a critically acclaimed Southern Hip Hop classic and featured cross over singles such as Ha and Back Dat Azz up.
But as big as both labels grew. The tension grew even bigger. The rivalry started heating up once again starting with Juvenile’s album as they would take subliminal shots at No Limit on Rich ? , UPT, and Welcome 2 the Nolia. No Limit artist retaliated with the songs Beef and The Empire where he speaks on the Industry and other labels hating on No Limit for their success. Master P himself never retaliated as he maintained focused on his label and other projects.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unJfRGBzzZ8
1999 was the year Cash Money truly reached their peak and No Limit started to lose steam. P was focusing more on doing movies, managing athletes, and trying out for the NBA while in the meanwhile Cash Money was continue to steamroll into 1999 developed from the previous year. Cash Money continued to crank out the hits while the No Limit sound was starting to fade away and this was the time where Master P started feeling the pressure. He was already ridiculed for his constant Tupac copying, His label wasn’t bringing in major numbers like before and his movies started tanking. Pastor Troy even started a career off dissing Master P on the crunk classic “Aint No Play in GA”.
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i hate to burst your bubble but this is not how the beef started to make it quick and simple yellaboy a member of unlv was messing with mystikal sister and he later killed her and got off clean no jail/prison time thats how cashmoney came into beef with bigboy this is why mystikal made those songs called murderer then the cashmoney big beef escalated until bigboy went bankrupt the nolimit / cashmoney beef came to be when bryan aka baby presented a intereste in doing a nolimit / cashmoney compilation to help get cash money a wider recognition and p refushed the proposal and some of the artist on no limit such as solja slim and mac were freinds with artists on cash money b .g were not allowed to do music together and the beef was more toward executives and their pride rather then artists no last but not least the pastor troy diss toward p wasnt real beef it was a publicity stunt pastor troy wanted to get known nationally and at that time was only known around his home area of atl and figured he would call shots out at the biggest artists out there at that being p and no limit that is who he took aim at kind of like what nussie did to boosie only p didnt take it to heart and boosie did pastor even did a interveiw and explained this get the facts straight
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P gave a shout out to Cash Money on several songs....the latest song on his "TMZ" album, "Keep it Real".
Cash Money and No Limit had their beef back in the days...but both label says they were cool, they grew up on the same side. -
eightiesbaby1980 wrote: »i hate to burst your bubble but this is not how the beef started to make it quick and simple yellaboy a member of unlv was messing with mystikal sister and he later killed her and got off clean no jail/prison time thats how cashmoney came into beef with bigboy this is why mystikal made those songs called murderer then the cashmoney big beef escalated until bigboy went bankrupt the nolimit / cashmoney beef came to be when bryan aka baby presented a intereste in doing a nolimit / cashmoney compilation to help get cash money a wider recognition and p refushed the proposal and some of the artist on no limit such as solja slim and mac were freinds with artists on cash money b .g were not allowed to do music together and the beef was more toward executives and their pride rather then artists no last but not least the pastor troy diss toward p wasnt real beef it was a publicity stunt pastor troy wanted to get known nationally and at that time was only known around his home area of atl and figured he would call shots out at the biggest artists out there at that being p and no limit that is who he took aim at kind of like what nussie did to boosie only p didnt take it to heart and boosie did pastor even did a interveiw and explained this get the facts straight
I didn't write this. It was an article by a dude from New Orleans -
eightiesbaby1980 wrote: »i hate to burst your bubble but this is not how the beef started to make it quick and simple yellaboy a member of unlv was messing with mystikal sister and he later killed her and got off clean no jail/prison time thats how cashmoney came into beef with bigboy this is why mystikal made those songs called murderer then the cashmoney big beef escalated until bigboy went bankrupt the nolimit / cashmoney beef came to be when bryan aka baby presented a intereste in doing a nolimit / cashmoney compilation to help get cash money a wider recognition and p refushed the proposal and some of the artist on no limit such as solja slim and mac were freinds with artists on cash money b .g were not allowed to do music together and the beef was more toward executives and their pride rather then artists no last but not least the pastor troy diss toward p wasnt real beef it was a publicity stunt pastor troy wanted to get known nationally and at that time was only known around his home area of atl and figured he would call shots out at the biggest artists out there at that being p and no limit that is who he took aim at kind of like what nussie did to boosie only p didnt take it to heart and boosie did pastor even did a interveiw and explained this get the facts straight
That song was about Mystikal's sister who got killed, not about Yellaboy...? tryna change history -
So who ran/run the n.o?
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I was lookin for this thread when I heard Mystikal signed to Cash Money...? happened to the original one?
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dalyricalbandit wrote: »So who ran/run the n.o?
No Limit did...wit the start off by "bout it, bout it" song i heard...and then they released the "i'm bout it" movie and soundtrack...etc etc -
eightiesbaby1980 wrote: »i hate to burst your bubble but this is not how the beef started to make it quick and simple yellaboy a member of unlv was messing with mystikal sister and he later killed her and got off clean no jail/prison time thats how cashmoney came into beef with bigboy this is why mystikal made those songs called murderer then the cashmoney big beef escalated until bigboy went bankrupt the nolimit / cashmoney beef came to be when bryan aka baby presented a intereste in doing a nolimit / cashmoney compilation to help get cash money a wider recognition and p refushed the proposal and some of the artist on no limit such as solja slim and mac were freinds with artists on cash money b .g were not allowed to do music together and the beef was more toward executives and their pride rather then artists no last but not least the pastor troy diss toward p wasnt real beef it was a publicity stunt pastor troy wanted to get known nationally and at that time was only known around his home area of atl and figured he would call shots out at the biggest artists out there at that being p and no limit that is who he took aim at kind of like what nussie did to boosie only p didnt take it to heart and boosie did pastor even did a interveiw and explained this get the facts straight
Y'all ? gotta stop spreading these rumors & passing em off as facts. Yellaboy did not killed Mystikals sister they never even talked Damion Neville the nephew of Aaron Neville killed her Yellaboys name is Albert Thomas these are facts u can look them up.
If u want some real history Google "Cash Money records the independent years". Article is amoeba dot com link.. -
man look im from the boot baton rounge n e way yea the song is bout the sister but that is how the beef all began over his sister being killed and by yella from cashmoneyThat song was about Mystikal's sister who got killed, not about Yellaboy...? tryna change history -
Miles HIGH wrote: »I was lookin for this thread when I heard Mystikal signed to Cash Money...? happened to the original one?
prolly FoF.. -
dalyricalbandit wrote: »So who ran/run the n.o?
they both did..p had it from 96 to mid 98 then cash money from there till 2001 when atl crunk came through..but the article got the dates wrong ghetto d and im bout it dropped in 97 that's when no limit went mainstream -
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/interviews/id.1783/title.mannie-fresh-reveals-mystikal-project-has-stalled-he-and-lil-wayne-are-talking-and-hot-boys-reunion-was-staged
Exclusive: Cash Money's former sound provider tells all to DX, including on where the rift between Cash Money and No Limit Records started, over an allegedly stolen hit hook.
There aren’t too many artists who have their name stamped on records from 1987 who can still claim “active” status in the 2011 Hip Hop scene, but Mannie Fresh has mastered the art of making his Bounce-based brand of Hip Hop sound contemporary in any era. From his early work providing the sonic foundation for the rhymes of New Orleans Rap pioneer Gregory D to his impressive tenure with Cash Money Records from 1993 to 2005, in which time he created the sound-beds to some of the most important songs in southern Hip Hop history, Fresh has lived up to his name and kept his sound from ever sounding stale.
But a half-decade removed from the last time he dominated the charts with creations for T.I., Young Jeezy, and both Baby and Lil Wayne (before splitting from CMR’s then last-men-standing due to reported royalty disputes), Mannie is growing impatient with waiting on both veteran and rookie artists to help him help them bring southern Hip Hop back to a position of respect within the culture (and not the derivative caricature that artists of all regions have adopted in recent years as their interpretation of what they think southern Hip Hop sounds and looks like).
And it was with an air of frustration, yet hopeful optimism, that Mannie Fresh spoke to HipHopDX for one of the most revealing conversations of the deejay/producer/rapper’s quarter-century long career. The man for whom Lil Wayne proudly declared “that’s my deejay” in 2004 revealed his standing seven years later with the spitter he helped groom for superstardom. Cash Money’s original aural architect also broke down some surprising New Orleans Hip Hop history, including the controversial origins of Master P’s “Bout It” breakthrough. During some of the most blunt commentary he has ever offered, Fresh additionally explained why he and Young Jeezy “bump heads,” why the reported Hot Boys reunion was “just a ploy,” and why working with Mystikal for the firey spitter’s much-anticipated comeback “is like pulling teeth.” -
as i said im from the hood from the streets and just becuase the media states something doesnt mean its the truth and wrong people are convicted all the time groing up in br around that time i remeber word being around that yella had something to do with the murder and there was no evidence and what not so he could not be prosecuted he even mentionens no evidence no case on one of the songs he was feAtured on i dont remember which ine i have just about every album cash money from day 1 i will find that sond plus linsten to the second verse of (mystikals murder part 2 2nd verse mystikals say somethung bout her being the victom what you mean you can convict him) no if my memory serves me correctly Neville was convicted and sentenced for not one but two murders so it is clear that mystikal is talking about somone other then him the facts are there you just have to find themeightiesbaby1980 wrote: »man look im from the boot baton rounge n e way yea the song is bout the sister but that is how the beef all began over his sister being killed and by yella from cashmoney
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Man yall got the ? all twisted....... the beef didnt have nothing to do with P nor Baby........they just made money off the artist....
Mystical and YellaBoy didnt have beef..... they had a classic battle....... and why ? shittin Mystical sister....that had nothin to do with rap...welcome to New Orleans
The Big Boy-Cash Money beef.... basically was a bunch young dudes who all knew each other before any record deals or any local status.....we talking dudes who knew each other from
grade school, to middle school to high school.....who all was in cyphers, and perform local show cases around the city...... i mean from Mystical to Juve, to Magnolia Slim.... to P-N-C
to Fiend to Mia-X to Mac to Lil Slim....... they was all high school kids, and Fresh and KLC (from Beats by Pound) they were local dj's..... they knew all these kids.....from rappin and perfroming around the city.....Baby and Master P... just happen to offer this young group of talented kids some music contracts.....from there Ego goes into play....
but basically it was nothin more then a war of words with friends who shoot marbles together and played with spinning tops who rapped in the bathroom while skipping class...
nothin more nothin less.....they were all friends......but remember the money and fame will change you.......FACT: all the artist i named had already established local super-star with out any label......they were already legends before reaching Cash Money or No Limit.........
RealTalk4RealNiggaz.com
That other ? ya be talking bout CMR and No Limit sounds like yall got that ? from China in the 1950's.......ya sound stupid and lost and have no idea what u talking bout -
wasnt this thread bigger???
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7thwardslim wrote: »Man yall got the ? all twisted....... the beef didnt have nothing to do with P nor Baby........they just made money off the artist....
Mystical and YellaBoy didnt have beef..... they had a classic battle....... and why ? shittin Mystical sister....that had nothin to do with rap...welcome to New Orleans
The Big Boy-Cash Money beef.... basically was a bunch young dudes who all knew each other before any record deals or any local status.....we talking dudes who knew each other from
grade school, to middle school to high school.....who all was in cyphers, and perform local show cases around the city...... i mean from Mystical to Juve, to Magnolia Slim.... to P-N-C
to Fiend to Mia-X to Mac to Lil Slim....... they was all high school kids, and Fresh and KLC (from Beats by Pound) they were local dj's..... they knew all these kids.....from rappin and perfroming around the city.....Baby and Master P... just happen to offer this young group of talented kids some music contracts.....from there Ego goes into play....
but basically it was nothin more then a war of words with friends who shoot marbles together and played with spinning tops who rapped in the bathroom while skipping class...
nothin more nothin less.....they were all friends......but remember the money and fame will change you.......FACT: all the artist i named had already established local super-star with out any label......they were already legends before reaching Cash Money or No Limit.........
RealTalk4RealNiggaz.com
That other ? ya be talking bout CMR and No Limit sounds like yall got that ? from China in the 1950's.......ya sound stupid and lost and have no idea what u talking bout
Yea ? the WWE ? this sounds right -
7thwardslim wrote: »kids some music contracts.....from there Ego goes into play....
That's basically what KL said. Yup. I ain't got the interview, but he said P and Baby was like at a house in somebody's driveway or a store talking or something and some how some way, ego came in. -
do anybody remember when p was on rap city i believe and he was talkin bout him and baby gon come out wit a 504 hot boyz cd this was like when juvie n bg left cash money and everybody left no limit
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Man where that other thread at it was more imformative...
shout out to 7th ward doe for clearin that ? up -
MODS wasn't this thread way bigger ?
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7thwardslim wrote: »Man yall got the ? all twisted....... the beef didnt have nothing to do with P nor Baby........they just made money off the artist....
Mystical and YellaBoy didnt have beef..... they had a classic battle....... and why ? shittin Mystical sister....that had nothin to do with rap...welcome to New Orleans
The Big Boy-Cash Money beef.... basically was a bunch young dudes who all knew each other before any record deals or any local status.....we talking dudes who knew each other from
grade school, to middle school to high school.....who all was in cyphers, and perform local show cases around the city...... i mean from Mystical to Juve, to Magnolia Slim.... to P-N-C
to Fiend to Mia-X to Mac to Lil Slim....... they was all high school kids, and Fresh and KLC (from Beats by Pound) they were local dj's..... they knew all these kids.....from rappin and perfroming around the city.....Baby and Master P... just happen to offer this young group of talented kids some music contracts.....from there Ego goes into play....
but basically it was nothin more then a war of words with friends who shoot marbles together and played with spinning tops who rapped in the bathroom while skipping class...
nothin more nothin less.....they were all friends......but remember the money and fame will change you.......FACT: all the artist i named had already established local super-star with out any label......they were already legends before reaching Cash Money or No Limit.........
RealTalk4RealNiggaz.com
That other ? ya be talking bout CMR and No Limit sounds like yall got that ? from China in the 1950's.......ya sound stupid and lost and have no idea what u talking bout
i seen 3 stories so but this seems the most legit. its prolly cuz your sn is 7thwardslim tho lol -
No Limit not a New Orleans, it was Bay Area label. Built on the West Coast Bad Boy comps.
yea i said it -
eightiesbaby1980 wrote: »i hate to burst your bubble but this is not how the beef started to make it quick and simple yellaboy a member of unlv was messing with mystikal sister and he later killed her and got off clean no jail/prison time thats how cashmoney came into beef with bigboy this is why mystikal made those songs called murderer then the cashmoney big beef escalated until bigboy went bankrupt the nolimit / cashmoney beef came to be when bryan aka baby presented a intereste in doing a nolimit / cashmoney compilation to help get cash money a wider recognition and p refushed the proposal and some of the artist on no limit such as solja slim and mac were freinds with artists on cash money b .g were not allowed to do music together and the beef was more toward executives and their pride rather then artists no last but not least the pastor troy diss toward p wasnt real beef it was a publicity stunt pastor troy wanted to get known nationally and at that time was only known around his home area of atl and figured he would call shots out at the biggest artists out there at that being p and no limit that is who he took aim at kind of like what nussie did to boosie only p didnt take it to heart and boosie did pastor even did a interveiw and explained this get the facts straight
That song was about Mystikal's sister who got killed, not about Yellaboy...? tryna change history
further more mystikals sister was killed by damion nevielle....not no ? yella boy, ? really did try to change history lol -
Turfaholic wrote: »No Limit not a New Orleans, it was Bay Area label. Built on the West Coast Bad Boy comps.
yea i said it
SMH at the way Percy came in and out-hustled every part of your city. A city where ? love to claim they have "game" and "hustle".
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CirocObama wrote: »Turfaholic wrote: »No Limit not a New Orleans, it was Bay Area label. Built on the West Coast Bad Boy comps.
yea i said it
SMH at the way Percy came in and out-hustled every part of your city. A city where ? love to claim they have "game" and "hustle".
wheres Percy now?
Sic Wit It still around thriving, is No Limit? or The New No Limit? or No Limit Forever?
P hustled faster n harder while Too Short n E-40 hustled smarter. I hate when you IC ? try to speak bay bidness with me. U only look foolish in the end.
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