So, Obama, I'm The Bad Guy For Making Money For My Family?

Universal Health Care System Type

Single Payer: The government provides insurance for all residents (or citizens) and pays all health care expenses except for copays and coinsurance. Providers may be public, private, or a combination of both.


Two-Tier: The government provides or mandates catrastrophic or minimum insurance coverage for all residents (or citizens), while allowing the purchase of additional voluntary insurance or fee-for service care when desired. In Singapore all residents receive a catastrophic policy from the government coupled with a health savings account that they use to pay for routine care. In other countries like Ireland and Israel, the government provides a core policy which the majority of the population supplement with private insurance.


Insurance Mandate: The government mandates that all citizens purchase insurance, whether from private, public, or non-profit insurers. In some cases the insurer list is quite restrictive, while in others a healthy private market for insurance is simply regulated and standardized by the government. In this kind of system insurers are barred from rejecting sick individuals, and individuals are required to purchase insurance, in order to prevent typical health care market failures from arising.

a.mann wrote: »

Batman. wrote: »

Universal healthcare is used in civilized countries, such as Canada, France, and Germany. Germany is doing well economically.

more detailed list:
List of Countries with Universal Healthcare (with types and year implemented)


Norway 1912 Single Payer

New Zealand 1938 Two Tier

Japan 1938 Single Payer

Germany 1941 Insurance Mandate

Belgium 1945 Insurance Mandate

United Kingdom 1948 Single Payer

Kuwait 1950 Single Payer

Sweden 1955 Single Payer

Bahrain 1957 Single Payer

Brunei 1958 Single Payer

Canada 1966 Single Payer

Netherlands 1966 Two-Tier

Austria 1967 Insurance Mandate

United Arab Emirates 1971 Single Payer

Finland 1972 Single Payer

Slovenia 1972 Single Payer

Denmark 1973 Two-Tier

Luxembourg 1973 Insurance Mandate

France 1974 Two-Tier

Australia 1975 Two Tier

Ireland 1977 Two-Tier

Italy 1978 Single Payer

Portugal 1979 Single Payer

Cyprus 1980 Single Payer

Greece 1983 Insurance Mandate

Spain 1986Single Payer

South Korea 1988 Insurance Mandate

Iceland 1990 Single Payer

Hong Kong 1993 Two-Tier

Singapore 1993 Two-Tier

Switzerland 1994 Insurance Mandate

Israel 1995 Two-Tier

And every single one of those countries has withered away into nothi--- Oh wait they still exist...

Makaveli Joker wrote: »

Shame on you ? for allowing Obama to run game on you ?

If you want to argue that ObamaCare should and could be a much stronger and better law for the consumer then I'd be on your side. But if you're arguing its going to raise your taxes you're wrong. If you're arguing its bad for the economy you're wrong. If you're saying prices will go up and wages will go down you're wrong.

Stop listening to Fox News. Most of the information about the Healthcare Law is fabrication and lies. Obama did sell out when it came to this law but the law it self is way better than the system we have in place now.

To say differently is foolish.

lol

how this neega gave himself a GOAT?

politicalthug202 wrote: »

Your healthcare is already subsidized by the government your employeer,gets a tax break
that offers you insurance. Obama is just giving those same tax break subsidies to people who buy insurance on the individual market

@Darxwell we couldnt go to single payer because people didnt want to give up the insurance they have
there were 250 million people who were happy with their current plan. Obamacare was the best we could do giving the polictics, if Obama came out and said Im putting Blue cross and blueshield out of buisness,and putting everybody on the goverment payroll he would have been laughed out of office by people in the suburbs.

I call ? .

politicalthug202 wrote: »

Your healthcare is already subsidized by the government your employeer,gets a tax break
that offers you insurance. Obama is just giving those same tax break subsidies to people who buy insurance on the individual market

@Darxwell we couldnt go to single payer because people didnt want to give up the insurance they have
there were 250 million people who were happy with their current plan. Obamacare was the best we could do giving the polictics, if Obama came out and said Im putting Blue cross and blueshield out of buisness,and putting everybody on the goverment payroll he would have been laughed out of office by people in the suburbs.

I do not agree with this at all. If that many people were happy with their plan then Obama wouldnt have become the 44th POTUS. People love to say Obama got elected because he's a great speaker & he's black. BUt the truth is Obama got elected for 2 reasons and 2 reasons only.

1. He was against the Iraq War but Hillary voted for it. Its one of the main reasons he beat her in the primaries.

2. He promised to pass a healthcare law that would improve our current system.

So that many people were NOT OK with their healthcare. There is so much misinformation about what it really does that people are angry that will be helped and people are mad at the wrong ? . If anything be upset that ObamaCare pretty much gives a big payoff to the insurance industry and the poorest of the poor are still screwed.

Darxwell wrote: »

politicalthug202 wrote: »

Your healthcare is already subsidized by the government your employeer,gets a tax break
that offers you insurance. Obama is just giving those same tax break subsidies to people who buy insurance on the individual market

@Darxwell we couldnt go to single payer because people didnt want to give up the insurance they have
there were 250 million people who were happy with their current plan. Obamacare was the best we could do giving the polictics, if Obama came out and said Im putting Blue cross and blueshield out of buisness,and putting everybody on the goverment payroll he would have been laughed out of office by people in the suburbs.

I do not agree with this at all. If that many people were happy with their plan then Obama wouldnt have become the 44th POTUS. People love to say Obama got elected because he's a great speaker & he's black. BUt the truth is Obama got elected for 2 reasons and 2 reasons only.

1. He was against the Iraq War but Hillary voted for it. Its one of the main reasons he beat her in the primaries.

2. He promised to pass a healthcare law that would improve our current system.

So that many people were NOT OK with their healthcare. There is so much misinformation about what it really does that people are angry that will be helped and people are mad at the wrong ? . If anything be upset that ObamaCare pretty much gives a big payoff to the insurance industry and the poorest of the poor are still screwed.

no he got the democratic nomination because of the Iraq war,and he was just a flat out
better politician than Hillary,Obama was one of the greatest politicians of our time.

Obama won,because Bush ? up the economy,and after that wallstreet crash
enough subiurban people was done with republicans,but there was no ? way Obama could have gotten away
with dismantling private insurance and putting everybody on a goverment system in two years would have flown.
people wanted to pay lesss for the coverage they already have,but for the most part they like bluecrosss blue shield. If you cant understand that this is why ? like Obama wins election and ? like Cornel West
gives speech's. You have to understand what is politically possible.

Obama could not fight the insurance Industry and the republicans at the sametime in the middle of a recesssion
and convince everybody to switch insurance plans just not possible.

@pico, what's the no sign for? how'd he come to the conclusion that 250m people were happy with their healthcare?

You have to understand what is politically possible.

Obama could not fight the insurance Industry and the republicans at the sametime in the middle of a recesssion
and convince everybody to switch insurance plans just not possible.

Dont get me wrong Imm not saying he didnt WANT the bill to be stronger. Im saying I think he gave up too much and is a horrible negotiator.

And I think Sen. Reid should have used the Nuclear option long ago to break this filibuster ? .

The t/s sounds very much like a typical Republican: uninformed and mean.

But basically, equality of opportunity doesn't exist, so we have a relatively progressive system of taxation with a (relatively stingy) social safety net as the best alternative.

Wait, the t/s gave himself the GOAT. I though you couldn't react to your own post

And how desperate do you have to be to cosign/GOAT yourself?